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ozak
post May 16 2012, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(chua @ May 15 2012, 11:12 PM)
my piping is all concealed and it was done by my contractor before the aircon was installed by a different people. i'm using the latest panasonic inverter aircon.

i told my contractor to install inverter piping and he told me his people installed non-inverter piping. sh*t!!!

i am wonder it's possible for the aircon installer to not notice the difference in piping?
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It is not the installer problem. It will effect your aircon performance or something wrong with your aircon.
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post May 16 2012, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(SueAnnie @ May 16 2012, 08:32 AM)
mine using York Model Y5WMY10 1.0hp .. so no need inverter piping .. how can i know they using CFC friendly gas??
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You read the manual right?
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post May 16 2012, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(SueAnnie @ May 16 2012, 08:42 AM)
since they will install this saturday.. so i don't have any..
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Sorry, I thaught the aircon already at your side. Why don't you rang up the shop and ask. And you still have a time to change if you want.
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post May 16 2012, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(SueAnnie @ May 16 2012, 09:17 AM)
I read manual from internet .. refrigerant type : R410A .. is this CFC friendly gas??
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Yes,CFC friendly gas. It is the latest gas that some aircon use. My inverter aircon is using this gas too. The problem is, you need to remind them when you want service your aircon. Mostly service guy still don't know about this gas. So I don't bother to top up the gas.
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post May 16 2012, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(coconutzz @ May 16 2012, 11:38 AM)
This is just my personal experience and opinion..

I m going to install concealed NORMAL Piping for my renovation. This has been decided after I have asked a few questions to myself and also consulted some friends in the AC industry.

1) Are you installing Inverter ACs? Do you need Inverters?

2) Budget - Inverter piping is more expensive by about RM4-5 /
ft....might end up RM1-2k more ure paying depending on units and distance of piping

3) Inverter ACs maintenance - R410 is more expensive. Cleaning and chemical washing..we're looking at RM200-RM300 or more for 1HP AC

4) WHen is R22 phasing out...my friend told me approx. 10 years ..assuming he is correct...i think 10 yrs...is more than enuff

5) Inverter will only reduce power usage if it's continuously on for maybe about 8 hours or more

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My Conclusion:

1) Inverter only suitable for my rooms cos I will on more than 8 hours...so for my rooms I m going to use Daikin Inverter that runs on R22 and normal piping

2) The rest are all using normal AC
Hope that helps smile.gif
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Either 8hr use or less, overtime the inverter will payback the cost. Compare non inverter. The cost of the pipe and the aircon won't different alot.

I m using 1.5hp inverter with about 20ft of pipe. The cost + install is RM2200. With everyday usage of 8hr, monthly save is about rm40-45. 1yrs save me rm540. Service 1x peryear is rm100. It take me 2yrs to get back my money save compare non inverter even include service. The amount save is I compare with my last time non inverter unit.

So either 2hr or 8hr use, I still will go for inverter. Payback either long or short. Just my experience.

R410 and R22 gas is depend how enviroment friendly you are. If you care and want to contribute a bit to the enviroment, than change it. It doesn't cost you much. You don't need to top up every year.
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post May 16 2012, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(Lara~ @ May 16 2012, 04:07 PM)
Ozak wat brand of inverter a/c r u using? Service is only RM100/yr?
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Panasonic. Actually only cost rm75 the last I service back last year. The service is just takedown flush and clean the condenser and rotor. And outdoor unit clean. The cheap cost is not related to the aircon brand.
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post May 17 2012, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(kelvyn @ May 17 2012, 01:52 PM)
The correct terminology would be soldering the copper tubing. A propane torch is the primary tool used to solder copper tubing.
As the copper tubing is soft, the heat from welding process would melt the copper piping...
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Eh... I thing it is not the correct way. It did need a propane torch to heat up the 2 copper pipe joint. But not melt it. A solder wire lead is need to melt and joint up the copper pipe. And you need a flux to clean up the joint side.
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post May 18 2012, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ May 18 2012, 08:43 PM)
Yes. Anyway some use the term welding, but in actual copper you can't weld well unless we have a ultrasonic welder which make me wonder which a/c installer want to invest such machine.
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Never see ppl using ultrasonic before. For copper welding, the old type is using something like copper lead. Blaze the copper joint till red and melt the copper lead to the joint. I can't remember the name as quite sometime I never done it.

New way just heat it up and use solder lead. Both need flux and sandpaper to be clean well.
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post May 18 2012, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ May 18 2012, 10:55 PM)
Ultrasonic is use in high tech electronic industry. That is called welding. Even for plastic too.
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Yup. My working place have a lot of this ultrasonic welding. Kena burn by it too.

 

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