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 Demon Hunter Discussion, For bow lovers!! Share your build!

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post Jun 13 2012, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(legiwei @ Jun 12 2012, 10:52 PM)
I think it's highly unlikely that you can achieve such a huge difference with and without SS. I have about 30k clean without SS and with SS max also about 50k. Unless you have insane amount of crit damage with low crit chance? Haha. biggrin.gif At high levels, dex gives you better damage output rather than damage rings. Use a damage calculator to compare your existing stats and your future probable stats is the best way. Personally I will go for dex + attack speed over dex + crit dmg + crit chance unless you are able to have a really high crit rate and dmg. Then again, the differential in cost is probably alot.
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Not sure the total critical damage I have, can't get into the game now doh.gif. But 70% on my bow (Star Emerald), 30% on my glove, 30%+ on my amulet. Base critical chance is only 10% if I recalled correctly.

Do you have any good damage calculators to recommend? Most of the calculators I tried do not reflect the actual DPS I had / slightly inaccurate.. cry.gif


Added on June 13, 2012, 2:04 pmJust went into the game and checked again.

Sharpshooter + Archery + Steady Aim: ~109k
Archery + Steady Aim: ~46k
Archery: ~39k
None: ~34k

Total Crit Damage: 187%
Base Crit Rate: 12.5%

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post Jun 14 2012, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(Kriish @ Jun 14 2012, 08:31 PM)
Finally downed Diablo Inferno. Frustrating because you need to pay attention for entire fight because one mistake most likely result in your death.

My stats when I downed Diablo :

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I didn't use Shadow Power for the fight though. Kinda pointless and resource hogging.
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Nice DPS + Health. Currently trying to solo Diablo Inferno with roughly the same DPS as you (but 187% Crit Damage only), and only 20k HP.

Everything one hits me. Do you have any tips for Phase 2? After a few tries, I manage to get pass Phase 1 basically every round (provided there is no sudden lag / spike). But I am facing problem in Phase 2, usually my first shadow is enough to kill me.

Also, what skills are you using? Currently I am using this build: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/demo...;TeY!ZcZbcY

Tried almost 6 trials to Phase 2, most of the time dead by my own shadow with an exception, that I manage to time SS correctly and killed my shadow. But then spike occurs and I'm burnt to death. vmad.gif

Appreciate help / tips from any DH here that solo-ed Inferno Diablo. notworthy.gif

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post Jun 15 2012, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(moomanhang @ Jun 15 2012, 09:50 AM)
anyone can confirm a 2H xbow with 900 dps + 46% weapon dmg + 45% crit dmg > 2H xbow w/ 900 dps + 17% AS + 45% crit dmg?
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IIANM, the Weapon Damage % / Attack Speed % in Weapon are already included in the calculation of weapon DPS. So both are equal.

Correct if I'm wrong rclxub.gif

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post Jun 18 2012, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(Without @ Jun 18 2012, 11:58 AM)
IAS and ASI nerfed? or it's just IAS.
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IAS fixed to give attack speed boost.

Then any item that gives attack speed will be nerfed (IAS/ASI)
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post Jun 19 2012, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(Mr.Beanster @ Jun 19 2012, 06:11 PM)
I keep dying even in hell mode.. Lvl 52 with 12k hp consider very low right?.. Jumpa Mortar Champion str8 die if no run
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Was a glass cannon build too. Completed hell with 6.5k HP with countless death, and completed up to certain quest in Act II and kept dying and totally not do-able already.. switched to AllRes+Vit build recently and can take more hits to deal damage.. not a bad decision I guess


QUOTE(milky @ Jun 19 2012, 06:54 PM)
DH where can take 3 hits in inferno? max is jus 1 hit... 1 hit from inferno is almost left 20% to 30% hp...
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Shadow Power: Gloom tongue.gif
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post Jun 20 2012, 05:23 PM

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Any DH here that builds up on All Res & Vit whilst maintaining DPS? Need some advice here.. I felt that I deal less damage over time ever since I switched to the much-more survival build. It was fine, and things are worsen after 1.0.3 (NT nerfed, even less damage dealt now). Not impacted by Attack Speed Nerf tho..

Not sure what should I upgrade now. Upgrading DEX seems to be expensive. Upgrading CritChance+CritDmg while maintaining DEX / VIT / ALL RES is totally over budget... doh.gif

Any suggestions are well appreciated notworthy.gif

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post Jun 20 2012, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(nightshade_nova @ Jun 20 2012, 07:30 PM)
@polarbearz

Your dmg almost same like me after patch.Managed to kill siegebreaker up to azmodan today, but definitely not farmable(not with high rep cost).
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I think with our stats just farm act 2 slow2 can d.No need to rush.
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Wow, that's a very nice All Res stats! thumbup.gif
On a side note, I think my base critical rate is too low and thus rendering my high critical damage to be almost useless? hmm.gif

Have to rely heavily on SS which are often not-so-reliable after it's being reset upon successful crit.

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post Jun 23 2012, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(shin6619 @ Jun 23 2012, 10:28 PM)
Hp 25k, dex 1.5k, resist 400, critical chance 37.5%, critical damage 188%, dps 41939, the stats ok or no?
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Should be fine. Mine's around 42k HP, 1.9k dex, ~400 all resist, 29.5% crit chance, 205% crit dmg, ~49k DPS
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post Jun 25 2012, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(ilikehandphones @ Jun 25 2012, 11:05 AM)
guy need an input...since the price of 1handxbow is ridiculous...is a bow + quiver setup better? i have round 2mil to spend what should i look for in a bow + quiver?
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If you are in a limited budget, use 100k ~ 300k to get one cheap Blue weapon with socket, roughly ~950 DPS should suffice. Then scout around till you get a nice deal with good stats/DPS..
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post Jun 26 2012, 03:26 PM

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It's so hard to strive a balance between Survivability and Damage sad.gif
Decided to ditch Sharpshooter and replace with Night Stalker for the proc% of recovering Discipline. Managed to survive and farm Act 3 rather comfortably, with few deaths to stupid affixes (Especially Hulking Phasebeast, having serious problem with those packs).

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Added on June 26, 2012, 3:27 pm
QUOTE(Shadow Kun @ Jun 26 2012, 03:16 PM)
i dun understand. what are you talking about? the piercing chance of hungering arrow? the damage increase of devouring arrow with each successful pierce? the amount of damage increase when you crit? the amount of spray of teeth damage?

for piercing chance of hungering arrow and damage increase of DA (devouring arrow rite?) for each pierce they are both fixed at 35% chance and 70% damage increase per pierce respectively. they are not tied to crit chance in any way.

and if you are talking about damage increase of a critical hit they are no fixed value and is dependant on gear and some skills (?) to increase it with the base value being +50% damage.

for spray of teeth the damage value is fixed at 50% of the initial hit.

sorry but i really pening lolz
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QUOTE(-Aerin- @ Jun 26 2012, 03:22 PM)
It's alot of mathcraft where they calculate the overall dps increase when

1. you use SoT, which is the 50% extra when u crit, easy enough, calculation is based on assumption of 30% crit chance most the time so they can calculate an average median of times when you proc SoT to calculate the dps increase.

2. you use DA, which is where the number crunching is, because the pierce itself has a chance to trigger another pierce for another extra 70% and so on.
So it's not actually a flat 35% chance for 70%, but more than that due to extra pierces, and they also factor in if the pierce crits or does not crit etc.

It's a giant wall of mathcraft that I dont think you want to read through, haha.

TLDR - HA always better for 1 - 2 targets,
SOT better for AoE situations but will always lose in single target dept.

Math is all done assuming 30% crit chance iirc, anything lower and it's not worth using SoT
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One of the number-crunching thread for Hungering Arrow: here

Personally I love HA: DA for single-target DPS. The critical after few successful continuous pierce is just thumbup.gif

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post Jun 26 2012, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(-Aerin- @ Jun 26 2012, 03:33 PM)
Bingo, that's the one, lol.

Wtf 86.7% crit rate to use SoT, lol.

How's the Night Stalker proc? I heard it's not very fantastic.
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It was terribly shakehead.gif at first. But as I increase my base critical rate, it's just getting better and even fantasic now.

I can even ditch my +Max Discipline on my quiver now (no budget currently) to pump on other stats. Basically I can kite and regen my discipline with the help of Night Stalker, especially facing elite packs. But it would be even better if I can fork out more for +Max Discipline items so my disc can last longer (before I had to press the "OHSHIT" (Preparation) button)

From what I observe, at least 1/3 of my crit will regen my discipline. Best combo-d with multi-hitting skills (Ball Lightning) on multiple targets = thumbup.gif

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post Jun 26 2012, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(xShinji @ Jun 26 2012, 07:44 PM)
Hei guys, what build do u guys normally use to farm on inf act 3?
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Whenever I fight those elite/champs, I hardly chunk of they hp ... is my dmg too low?
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You need more HP or DPS to clear act 3 efficiently. I had around 35k clean DPS with 40k HP, 350+ All Res when I started to be able to farm efficiently in Act 3.
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post Jun 27 2012, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(nig3l @ Jun 27 2012, 09:35 AM)
Natalya'S set is now buffed with +2disp regen/sec.

whadya all think :?

combined with ss and night stalker . DH will have 'near' immortality tongue.gif
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According to Blizzard, it was an unintended change. God knows how long it'll stay for now sad.gif

QUOTE(kumahachi @ Jun 27 2012, 11:38 AM)
should DH focus more on armor or all resist? i'm trying not to get 1-shotted in act 3.. currently i have about 2.8k armor/100 all resist/24k hp/32k dps without SS
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Depends on your current stats / playstyle. Both armor and all resistance is important but for your current stats, I think you'll need more all res (at least 350) and slightly more hp (35k+).

QUOTE(leongkokloon @ Jun 27 2012, 12:16 PM)
What u guys think of my DH now..

48k Hp
2.8k Armor
1.8k Dex
2x 600++ dps bow
Critical damage about 189%
normal damage 30k without SS
with SS about 50k
1.9 iAS
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QUOTE(leongkokloon @ Jun 27 2012, 12:19 PM)
all jumbled up
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What's your lowest most common All resistance then?

QUOTE(leongkokloon @ Jun 27 2012, 12:26 PM)
hmm now im in dillema.. whether to:

Option 1.

- get higher dex + vit + critical damage + higher damage (without caring resistance)

OR

Option 2.

- get higher resist and maintain HP, with of coz higher dex + higher damage
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Your HP seems to be fine already. Gotta need more all res if your all res is below 300. There's something about where we must have a balance between Armor, All Resistance and HP to have a good "EFFECTIVE HP".. but I not sure how it work yet.. so confusing rclxub.gif

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post Jun 27 2012, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(leongkokloon @ Jun 27 2012, 12:43 PM)
my res now lowest at about 150 --> 200 if not mistaken...
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Hmm best possible to pump it higher.

Anyway, if anyone needs to buy emerald jewels can PM / add me in game. Will sell them at lower rate than Auction House with my own materials smile.gif

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post Jun 28 2012, 04:11 AM

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QUOTE(Calvados @ Jun 28 2012, 03:40 AM)
Star emerald ?! @.@"
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Yup available as well. Add me up at Jishinya#6835 (do mention that you're from LYN with your LYN nick when you add me).

Price varies day-to-day but one thing I can promise is, it will be cheaper than AH. smile.gif
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post Jun 28 2012, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(nightshade_nova @ Jun 28 2012, 03:30 PM)
Not really.They are saying that future patches will refine the skills more, so Natalya set will be good for a disc heavy build, but there'll sure to be more builds that arent disc centric.
Btw, finally got my Skull Grasp!  rclxms.gif

Boosted my dps by quite a bit.Even though its the most pricey thing Ive ever bought, I justify it by the +20-43 dmg as being more than a maxed ruby could get me haha. tongue.gif
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drool.gif What's the stats like?
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post Jun 28 2012, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(nightshade_nova @ Jun 28 2012, 03:54 PM)
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Though you already can see my ring since you added me  tongue.gif
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Nice. Wish I'd able to change my ring, those CriRate + CriDmg + Dex ring are ridiculously priced cry.gif
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post Jun 30 2012, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(Mr.Beanster @ Jun 30 2012, 10:40 AM)
I act Inferno Act 1 now. Barely survived elites here. 20k hp with 37k DPS with SS. My stat is damn crappy but i will change my crappy bow and pants later to boost my dps.

How much resist, hp, dps you guys need to survive inferno?
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As a start, try to achieve at least 30k HP and ~300 ALL RES, with at least 60k DPS (with SS). My friends recently who rolled a DH, managed to survive & progress well enough with these stats (a little better tho).

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post Jun 30 2012, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(ktooken @ Jun 30 2012, 08:30 PM)
So.. anyone know how much res or hp you need to withstand one hit from your shadow clone for inferno diablo?

I can keep my distance from diablo well and kite him, but when the shadow clone appears it's instant KO, even though I already press SS, just appearing next to me I'm already dead. This is 2nd and 3rd appearance, at least the first appearance I can time it a little.

fwiw I have 58k dps non-ss. help.
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I did mine with ~300 ALLRES, 35k HP if I remembered correctly.

Just checked, I solo-ed mine with ~250ALLRES, 30k HP, 54k DPS w/o SS.

P/S: Use Gloom to survive your own shadow, the rest of it (Diablo itself) is pretty much kiting.

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post Jul 1 2012, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(dwks @ Jul 1 2012, 04:23 PM)
guys, need some suggestion that i need to increase my DPS to at least 50k with SS.

I got 4M in pocket, what should i get?

My current Gear & stats
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Get higher crit rate / crit damage will definitely help. Maybe you can switch your glove to one with higher dex, 8% crit chance w/ 30% crit damage.

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