Yup, ball lightning will have better damage when

1) Monsters are widespread (BL's AoE are larger than NT)
2) Monsters will get hit at least twice by the ball (each hit 77% damage)

Some monsters that walk faster than BL can catch them will only get hit once, thus reducing the overall damage.

But still I find BL good in proc-ing (larger AoE multi hitting)

for me i just used Lightning Bolts + Shadow Power/Gloom as my HP regen attack

NT is ok but if its as fast as Lb then

To view the item go to my live stream to this video link and fast forward to 36:50 and hit pause
http://www.twitch.tv/mooglestiltzkin/b/323529632



Noble shelter
Pros:
- has very high armor
- has 2k more dps compared to the other chest
- has life regen, is this higher than normal ? Why else is the vendor price so high o.O;

Cons:
- no vit
- not as good resist as the other chest ( a staggering 70 all resist)



Tracker device
Pros:
- has a staggeringly high all res of 70 and all relevant stats for a dh such as vit, dex, 3 sockets ... basically the ideal stats for a dh chest

Cons:
- lower dps (by 2k to be precise) compared to the other chest
- doesn't have the life regen the other chest



My question here is, which chest should i use for my DH ? Is -2k dps and high armor really worth 70 all res ?

Because i have a tank poison monk who could probably make use of that noble shelter. what do you guys think ?




So far my dh strategy for minimal defense was to have high armor, rather than all res. But now i'm not too sure

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This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 3 2012, 11:24 PM

go pure dps, since u gonna die from 1-2 hits anyways. (pun intended)

i think's its pretty obvious already

finally i hit 60 in Hell - Act4 last stage...just in time before maintenance

tracker device better

no.... if all resist , armor and life high.... wont die in 2 , 3 hits... my DH can tank better than my barb ...

i think you didnt read my post about relationship between All resist and Armor.

70 all resist > 700 armor.

Tracker Device Details explained :

392 Armor + 45 Str + 70 All resist = more than 1137 armor ( cause 1 all resist > 10 armor in your case )
53 Dex
73 Vit = +2555HP

Noble Shelter Details :
663(+253 armor included) + 78 Str = 741 Armor
99 Dex
Bonus Features
+56 Poison Resist
+433 Life Per second

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Defensive Grade = Tracker Device 40% Higher in armor rating
Dmg = Noble Shelter Provide 46 Dex extra ( ~ almost nothing )
Regenaration - Noble Shelter provide 433 Life/Sec (~depend your tactic. but DH do not count on life regen to heal. Vampirism is DH)

Answer is clear.
Just dont understand why you still using flawless gem?

i'm poor and stingy

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Added on July 4, 2012, 1:12 amNo i wasn't aware of it. But that explanation is really helpful thx.



update:

k i read it. so your saying all res also adds toward armor ? ( as in it will also somehow reduce damage from physical sources as well ? )

my simple understanding is this.


armor = reduce damage from all sources, ranged and melee dps.

all res = only reduces damage from magic spells only (resists like poison etc only effect for that 1 particular spell effect only). It does not reduce damage from physical damage

So is my assumption correct on this ?

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 4 2012, 01:20 AM

Nope.

All resist same as Armor.

But all resist have priority in dmg reduction calculation.

eg, 100 DMG from enemy,

real dmg = 100 DMG - All Resist % - Armor %

that is why 1 all resist = 10 armor.

oh i see... i did not know this .... hm thx


Is there some sort of calculator so i can put in the all res, and armor to compare gears to know which is better ?

Sorry my math is bad x_x;


PS: my other question. is that chest good enough for my monk tank who is poison resist ? or should i look elsewhere ? :/ i don't have much gold so if it's good enough, i rather just use that.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 4 2012, 01:29 AM

^
Try this: http://rubensayshi.github.com/d3-ehp-calculator

My vote goes to Tracker Device as many others, as I'm stacking AllRes as well for my main build.

trackers device man, quite obvious

Anyone wanna buy 130k dps DH gear? (whole set) wont sell separately

This is wrong. The only correct thing is that 1 resist = 10 armor. Resistance and armor are multiplicative, that is why people keep their resistance and armor at a 10:1 ratio.

And do you really NEED an entire thread to discuss your gear? There's a Demon Hunter thread you know.

Bro, this math terms might out of your understanding.

why all resist 10x greater than armor?

because in damage reduction calculation,

all resist count 1st.

let said you have -50% reduction all resist , and -50% reduction from armor

10000 DMG - 50% = 5000DMG ( so all resist reduce 5000 DMG )

5000DMG - 50% = 2500DMG ( Armor reduct 2500 DMG )

as i said, go read my post about relation with armor vs alresist..


... Is good you memorized the result. For me, i always want to know the reason.
Thats the different between us.

i think its useful..should put all type of calculator in one thread..easy to refer

This post has been edited by soulhunter87: Jul 4 2012, 10:36 AM

If this was true, then resistance and armor would be at a ratio of 1:2. Not 1:10. Here's a funny thing about the maths you did. See what happens when I swap armor and resistance around?

10000DMG - 50% ARMOR = 5000DMG (so armor reduce 5000DMG)

5000DMG - 50% RESISTANCE = 2500DMG (so resistance reduce 2500DMG)

See what I did there?

Armor and resistance are MULTIPLICATIVE. When something is multiplicative, there is no priority given to either one of the values.

There are spreadsheets and data points and lots of research already done on General Discussion. I've read them, and I can safely tell you that you are wrong. I'm sorry.

This post has been edited by dishwasher: Jul 4 2012, 10:48 AM

Hmm good idea on compiling all calculators into one thread... I have a few calculators that I collected / used (usually found at bliz D3 forum).. kinda useful.

Gratz..another credit card to feast upon on RMAH.