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post Jul 4 2012, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(tandoori @ Jul 4 2012, 01:46 PM)
Really cool build to share.

Build Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI8oC5bNmbo

My personal skills.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wiza...;XgW!YccYaY

Summary, build is the opposite of kiting, instead it's a CC based build that's dependant on 2 Skills (Wicked Wind and Frost Nova), 1 Perk (Critical mass), Crit % / Crit DMG, and AP Regen.

If you have geared your wizard toward this, then this build is for you. Fair warning:
DO NOT ATTEMPT if you don't have
>20 crit %
>15 ap regen.
You will die. You have been warned.

Personal stats: 38k hp, 34k dps, 33% crit, 202% crit dmg, 19 ap/crit, 1034 life per second. (All resist >150-250)

Weapon: 907 dps wand w/ 2.9% life steal

Tested 2 days, difference between kiting: 15-25 mins (farming act 2 inferno, All packs in Archive -> Belial). Higher Death rate (still not really used to it yet).

Why life steal? Cause of scalability as it procs off each mob, Life on Hit is max regardless of mobs. So to mitigate dmg, Diamond Skin will proc of CM (makes you darn close to invuln, i have no resists so DS mitigates enough dmg for me to regen).

This is the most fun I've had in D3 yet. smile.gif

Pros:
- Close to perm freeze
- Close to invuln
- No need to run back and forth the entire map. (You guys know what im talking about, right.. right??)
- FREAKING FUN.

Cons:
- Higher death % if you don't know what you're doing
- North of 100m on gear.
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Hello bro u show tat video y all tat no cooldown at all tat is not real Diablo man.. did u know the twisters I press 60 arcane power, how come can press so much ?
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post Jul 4 2012, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(present me @ Jul 4 2012, 01:54 PM)
Hello bro u show tat video y all tat no cooldown at all tat is not real Diablo man.. did u know the twisters I press 60 arcane power, how come can press so much ?
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Critical Mass is proc'ing. CM reduces 1s from cooldown on every crit. They nerfed this before 1.03. As of 1.03, its been brought back.

Because of high crit and WW stacking, AP return ~ 15-20 per crit. Hence infinite ap.

This post has been edited by tandoori: Jul 4 2012, 02:08 PM
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post Jul 4 2012, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(tandoori @ Jul 4 2012, 12:46 PM)
Really cool build to share.

Build Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI8oC5bNmbo

My personal skills.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wiza...;XgW!YccYaY

Summary, build is the opposite of kiting, instead it's a CC based build that's dependant on 2 Skills (Wicked Wind and Frost Nova), 1 Perk (Critical mass), Crit % / Crit DMG, and AP Regen.

If you have geared your wizard toward this, then this build is for you. Fair warning:
DO NOT ATTEMPT if you don't have
>20 crit %
>15 ap regen.
You will die. You have been warned.

Personal stats: 38k hp, 34k dps, 33% crit, 202% crit dmg, 19 ap/crit, 1034 life per second. (All resist >150-250)

Weapon: 907 dps wand w/ 2.9% life steal

Tested 2 days, difference between kiting: 15-25 mins (farming act 2 inferno, All packs in Archive -> Belial). Higher Death rate (still not really used to it yet).

Why life steal? Cause of scalability as it procs off each mob, Life on Hit is max regardless of mobs. So to mitigate dmg, Diamond Skin will proc of CM (makes you darn close to invuln, i have no resists so DS mitigates enough dmg for me to regen).

This is the most fun I've had in D3 yet. smile.gif

Pros:
- Close to perm freeze
- Close to invuln
- No need to run back and forth the entire map. (You guys know what im talking about, right.. right??)
- FREAKING FUN.

Cons:
- Higher death % if you don't know what you're doing
- North of 100m on gear.
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this type melee getting femes....
wait, u guys having fun with cookie cutter build.
arent that unacceptable?



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post Jul 4 2012, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(tandoori @ Jul 4 2012, 03:07 PM)
Critical Mass is proc'ing. CM reduces 1s from cooldown on every crit. They nerfed this before 1.03. As of 1.03, its been brought back.

Because of high crit and WW stacking, AP return ~ 15-20 per crit. Hence infinite ap.
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Really? critical mass just can 1hit life per second only.. critical mass had 1hit form cooldown every critical...so y from the video I watched the arcane power just Negative little bit only cos arcane p maximum just80 so how come 1press twister take60dy,..
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post Jul 4 2012, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(present me @ Jul 4 2012, 02:24 PM)
Really? critical mass just can 1hit  life per second only.. critical mass had 1hit form cooldown every critical...so y from the video I watched the arcane power just Negative little bit only cos arcane p maximum just80 so how come 1press twister take60dy,..
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1 press twister is 35....
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post Jul 4 2012, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(tandoori @ Jul 4 2012, 12:46 PM)
Really cool build to share.

Build Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI8oC5bNmbo

My personal skills.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wiza...;XgW!YccYaY

Summary, build is the opposite of kiting, instead it's a CC based build that's dependant on 2 Skills (Wicked Wind and Frost Nova), 1 Perk (Critical mass), Crit % / Crit DMG, and AP Regen.

If you have geared your wizard toward this, then this build is for you. Fair warning:
DO NOT ATTEMPT if you don't have
>20 crit %
>15 ap regen.
You will die. You have been warned.

Personal stats: 38k hp, 34k dps, 33% crit, 202% crit dmg, 19 ap/crit, 1034 life per second. (All resist >150-250)

Weapon: 907 dps wand w/ 2.9% life steal

Tested 2 days, difference between kiting: 15-25 mins (farming act 2 inferno, All packs in Archive -> Belial). Higher Death rate (still not really used to it yet).

Why life steal? Cause of scalability as it procs off each mob, Life on Hit is max regardless of mobs. So to mitigate dmg, Diamond Skin will proc of CM (makes you darn close to invuln, i have no resists so DS mitigates enough dmg for me to regen).

This is the most fun I've had in D3 yet. smile.gif

Pros:
- Close to perm freeze
- Close to invuln
- No need to run back and forth the entire map. (You guys know what im talking about, right.. right??)
- FREAKING FUN.

Cons:
- Higher death % if you don't know what you're doing
- North of 100m on gear.
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Higher death rate? No wonder you are dying so much.

Dude you are doing it wrong man...REALLY REALLY WRONG.
1st of all, Life Steal only gains 20% effect in Inferno. 2.9% x 0.2=0.58%

2nd thing, Life on Hit does procs off from multiple mobs but it is limited by its co-efficient depending on the skill. But the nett gain is waaay waayy higher than Inferno Life Steal. (Lazy to explain the maths here, google yourself)

3rd thing, You are technically standing in melee range most of the time, WHERE THE HELL IS THE "BLUR" PASSIVE?!

4th thing, Since you are standing in melee range for nova most of the time, expect to face a lot of dmg from molten/plagued/desecration etc. Force Armor DOES NOT save you from any of this damage since this dmg is done per tick.
It is PRISMATIC ARMOR you are looking for.

5th thing, ASTRAL PRESENCE? Really? You are already having close to infinite AP from crits from Energy Twister and Chain Reaction explosive blast. Having Astral Presence is redundant.

6th thing, As i mentioned earlier, this is essentially a tank build. (Since you are standing close range). You need more than 150-250 resist to survive. 500 is bare minimum.

1 thing i need to add about this build is knowing which skills trigger casting animation and global cooldown,
That split second can mean life and death for this build.
Don't simply spam Frost Nova as you like. (especially when you are moving around or mobs are moving around, making critical mass hard to proc off from twister) Wait for mid attack animation and interrupt attacks.
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QUOTE(Goblinsk8er @ Jul 4 2012, 03:43 PM)
Higher death rate? No wonder you are dying so much.

Dude you are doing it wrong man...REALLY REALLY WRONG.
1st of all, Life Steal only gains 20% effect in Inferno. 2.9% x 0.2=0.58%

2nd thing, Life on Hit does procs off from multiple mobs but it is limited by its co-efficient depending on the skill. But the nett gain is waaay waayy higher than Inferno Life Steal. (Lazy to explain the maths here, google yourself)

3rd thing, You are technically standing in melee range most of the time, WHERE THE HELL IS THE "BLUR" PASSIVE?!

4th thing, Since you are standing in melee range for nova most of the time, expect to face a lot of dmg from molten/plagued/desecration etc. Force Armor DOES NOT save you from any of this damage since this dmg is done per tick.
It is PRISMATIC ARMOR you are looking for.

5th thing, ASTRAL PRESENCE? Really? You are already having close to infinite AP from crits from Energy Twister and Chain Reaction explosive blast. Having Astral Presence is redundant.

6th thing, As i mentioned earlier, this is essentially a tank build. (Since you are standing close range). You need more than 150-250 resist to survive. 500 is bare minimum.

1 thing i need to add about this build is knowing which skills trigger casting animation and global cooldown,
That split second can mean life and death for this build.
Don't simply spam Frost Nova as you like. (especially when you are moving around or mobs are moving around, making critical mass hard to proc off from twister) Wait for mid attack animation and interrupt attacks.
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good 1...speak like a pro
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post Jul 4 2012, 04:23 PM

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Just use LOH for this built, 600 will work like a charm at act 1 or 2 smile.gif
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post Jul 4 2012, 04:56 PM

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I have ~800 LoH. so far tests with melee or frost nova plus ww costs me many many k's of repair. ended up going back to archon or disintegrate with diamond skin.
do you guys get party? very hard to find party becos i dont have buff or boosts or super high dps to offer
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post Jul 4 2012, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(Goblinsk8er @ Jul 4 2012, 02:43 PM)
Higher death rate? No wonder you are dying so much.

Dude you are doing it wrong man...REALLY REALLY WRONG.
1st of all, Life Steal only gains 20% effect in Inferno. 2.9% x 0.2=0.58%

2nd thing, Life on Hit does procs off from multiple mobs but it is limited by its co-efficient depending on the skill. But the nett gain is waaay waayy higher than Inferno Life Steal. (Lazy to explain the maths here, google yourself)

3rd thing, You are technically standing in melee range most of the time, WHERE THE HELL IS THE "BLUR" PASSIVE?!

4th thing, Since you are standing in melee range for nova most of the time, expect to face a lot of dmg from molten/plagued/desecration etc. Force Armor DOES NOT save you from any of this damage since this dmg is done per tick.
It is PRISMATIC ARMOR you are looking for.

5th thing, ASTRAL PRESENCE? Really? You are already having close to infinite AP from crits from Energy Twister and Chain Reaction explosive blast. Having Astral Presence is redundant.

6th thing, As i mentioned earlier, this is essentially a tank build. (Since you are standing close range). You need more than 150-250 resist to survive. 500 is bare minimum.

1 thing i need to add about this build is knowing which skills trigger casting animation and global cooldown,
That split second can mean life and death for this build.
Don't simply spam Frost Nova as you like. (especially when you are moving around or mobs are moving around, making critical mass hard to proc off from twister) Wait for mid attack animation and interrupt attacks.
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Second day change from primary kite / nuke build to this close range. What'd you expect. Gimme a break la. wink.gif

with 5 mobs, life steal heals upward of 2k with 80k, lower than average, (0.0058x80,000x5=2330) crits proc'ed of EB. LoH heals max dependant on max LoH, but yes LoH benefits come from single targets well. LS benefits much from multiple targets, which this build is intended for. I took the risk and went LS, so far it's been sufficient. I'm no tank build, but enough to mitigate reflect.

Haven't had much time to fine tune yet. Tried swapping presence with blur, realized more AP is better. 19 wasn't sufficient. Prolly due to spamming from panic attacks.

Yeah, thanks for pointing out FA.

Haha, precisely, so far this makes the game an insane adrenaline rush.


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QUOTE(tandoori @ Jul 4 2012, 12:46 PM)
using something similar, long gone the days kite and kite lol

now can tank effectively at act2 lol


Added on July 4, 2012, 10:31 pmtoo bad it definitely gona get nerfed soon the critical mass

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walaueh i see u guys wizzy have 30-40k dps,

i only 18-19k dps with a 1 hand 1k wand. is it by stacking intel and sacrifice resist and armor to achieve that?
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QUOTE(olman @ Jul 4 2012, 11:17 PM)
walaueh i see u guys  wizzy have 30-40k dps,

i only 18-19k dps with a 1 hand 1k wand. is it by stacking intel and sacrifice resist and armor to achieve that?
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not really. i got near 700 resist all unbuff . stack crit chance, crit damage, intel and attack speed lo
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QUOTE(olman @ Jul 4 2012, 11:17 PM)
walaueh i see u guys  wizzy have 30-40k dps,

i only 18-19k dps with a 1 hand 1k wand. is it by stacking intel and sacrifice resist and armor to achieve that?
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You have a 1k wand but 19k dps? That seems odd blink.gif
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QUOTE(dishwasher @ Jul 4 2012, 11:46 PM)
You have a 1k wand but 19k dps? That seems odd  blink.gif
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yup exactly, tats where i dun understand

even if i use force weapon my dps only goes up to 20k+ yawn.gif

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Seems like pretty low on Int and your off hand too but quite high vit .....how much is your hp?

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QUOTE(Becabal @ Jul 5 2012, 12:18 AM)
Seems like pretty low on Int and your off hand too but quite high vit .....how much is your hp?
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mmmm, me vit oso not high only 39k
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QUOTE(olman @ Jul 5 2012, 12:24 AM)
mmmm, me vit oso not high only 39k
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Oh...My hp only 20k after some tweaks...cant afford to buy high int with vit and AR gear at market as the price alike Lamborghini doh.gif

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QUOTE(Becabal @ Jul 5 2012, 12:47 AM)
Oh...My hp only 20k after some tweaks...cant afford to buy high int with vit and AR gear at market as the price alike Lamborghini doh.gif
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i buy those vit and AR gears cheap cheap 20-50k only

i wan farm those amulet and rings with 200 intel and vit, but is impossible.
buy oso impposible, those jewellery cost many lambos

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QUOTE(olman @ Jul 5 2012, 01:18 AM)
i buy those vit and AR gears cheap cheap 20-50k only

i wan farm those amulet and rings with 200 intel and vit, but is impossible.
buy oso impposible, those jewellery cost many lambos
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Use a EHP calculator to calculate. AR gears are seriously expensive. Sometimes Vit/armor can be cheaper than AR gears yet offer the same effectiveness.

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