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chchan_89
post Jun 15 2012, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(lahart @ Jun 15 2012, 08:18 PM)
Nooo... I dunwan bcome meat shield lol


Added on June 15, 2012, 8:22 pmIf sacrifice vit for str n resist will I survive?
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resist > vit > str imo

i spent like 800k on AH for full sett including weapon and shield, am doin good in a1 inferno. still farmin for gold n better eqs there.

most of the eq i bought focus mainly on vit n resist.

just get ur resist to around 800 after warcry is good enough to survive a1 inferno.

as for hp, around 35k abv is good enough and dps around 9k+

what i did to kill the elites n farm is by using Serk,Insanity first (to have resist to all effects like nightmarish/frozen/jail), and then follow by Earthquake(path of fire).

Usually the elites will die or left like 5% hp after the earthquake dies off and u can jz take it down easily.

for skill wise, i used

Frenzy, Side arm (for mobbing since i dont have Cleave)
Charge, for mobility and hp gain when Revenge does not trigger
EarthQuake, for elites
Berserk, for elites n boss immunity
Warcry, for armor n resist boost
Revenge, Prov.
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post Jul 13 2012, 02:07 AM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Jul 12 2012, 03:30 PM)
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Opinions which is better ?

The resilience shoulder has better all res (+38). But the vile ward has more str (+76) and vit (+69).

But seeing as resilience is pretty good, is then worth selling the vile ward and just use the resilience, or the opposite ? Opinions  hmm.gif
Here is montage of what my tank is wearing currently hmm.gif

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And this is my char stats after using the battle shout to increase resistance.

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To fight in inferno act 3 and 4, i need at least 1k all res. So if my all res is reduced in the shoulder, will i be able to make up for it in my other gear to reach the 1k all res ?

usually i only buy 70 all res gear minimum, because the max 80 all res is usually way too expensive and out of my budget  cry.gif
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will you able to clear a2 easily? seems like im having trouble clearing a2 =/
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post Jul 16 2012, 06:06 PM

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Any advice / suggestion for my barb? im currently doin fine in A1, but when enter a2, i jz torn into pieces by elites...~.~

My skill build

Frenzy (Side Arm)
Furious Charge (Dreadnaught)
Wotb (Insanity)
Warcry (Impunity)
Revenge (Prov)
Ignore Pain (Ignorance is Bliss)
Weapon Mastery
Ruthless
Nerve of Steel

My weapon focus more on life steal which stacks up to around 5% since LoH is freaking exp. might tink of using Bloodthirst for the passive.


Any idea and advice?
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post Jul 16 2012, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(alexhee @ Jul 16 2012, 06:16 PM)
U have enough def but lack of damage. Try pump your str. With more damage, ur life steal more effective.
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where else can i pump more dmg? the only thing i see is d amulet to add in with a decent 40%+ crit dmg, but im gona lost alot of hp .
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post Jul 17 2012, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(alexhee @ Jul 16 2012, 09:56 PM)
Damage can be pumped using str. Your ring is ok, but if i am you, i will get both rings with 100+ str, AR 600 should be enough for act 2 as long as u can kill the monster fast. Your gloves dont have any str or vit either.
Try remember this, 10% crit chance =~ 100% crit damage =~ 120 str.
If i am you, i will rather get 8 crit chance, 110 str, and 60 AR. With str, your armor will increase as well.

Btw, nice weapon.. just that your weapon dont have enough str. Axe might be a better choice for your mainhand because the atkspd is slightly higher.
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ok noted.. will try get a crit 8, str100, AR 60 glv instead...
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post Jul 17 2012, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(alexhee @ Jul 17 2012, 08:58 AM)
You can get a better one of course, that's just an example of an affordable one. Nowadays gears are really expensive  sad.gif ...
I wont go with any of the axe unless i really in tight budget.. But honestly, crit build must have at least 40% crit chance for a better proc chance. If you have a low crit chance and slow attack speed = gg.
This is how my gears look like, u can take a look on the weapon that you should look for.
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Just did a few upgrades on rings, the AR dropped, but armor n dmg increase. Hope it works fine in a2. Gona try it out later =D

QUOTE(Aura @ Jul 17 2012, 09:36 AM)
U dun hav enuf def thus survivability is bad.... U r a dual wielder right?? Try getting a shield instead for now since ur current stats cannot support dual wielding.... Also, take out ruthless and swap in tough as nails or u can take out nerves of steel with tough as nails since ur vit is too low and nerves of steel won't give u a lot of def...

Also, ur stats are quite low.... Pump vit to at least 1k 1st... That should give u a noticeable difference.... U can try pumping more DPS as suggested but I would strongly suggest get ur survivability 1st rather than DPS.... If u can survive longer, u can do more DPS....
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Need to get how many hp and armor for survivability? after upgrading ydae night, i got like 7.4k armor wit 45k hp after buffed wit WC and Enchantress, is it sufficiecint? otherwise i might think of changing my helm to higher Vit with lower crict chance...
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post Jul 17 2012, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(Aura @ Jul 17 2012, 02:35 PM)
Refer to my post... The answer is there... Overall, ur stats ratio is not really balanced....

Also, if u dun have much gold, use a more defensive eq and skills build rather than offensive one cos DPS requires a lot of gold....
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jz wann to ask, if i would to sub out 1 of my offensive skill, which will b subout? the ruthless or weapon mastery? which 1 has d less dmg output?
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post Jul 17 2012, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(Aura @ Jul 17 2012, 04:28 PM)
Already stated on my previous post... Dmg output will not vary very much.... Ruthless will hav a higher dmg output than weapon mastery.... But why i recommend that ruthless is remained there is bcos of the crit hit chance... Although ruthless gives u more DPS output (which is just like 200 dmg difference only), the reason why weapon mastery remains there is bcos of the crit hit chance.... U will proc more crit hit but just slightly lower dmg which in turns, if u r atking fast, then more DPS is inflicted thus, weapon mastery is more effective....

I did state everything very clearly in my previous post unless u din read it... I dun think that my post is hard to understand....
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yes i read everything, was just asking how much armor and hp? like 7k armor? 8k 9k 10k? same goes for hp. i know that shield gives block and def, but how much i need so i can do my filtering in AH...
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post Jul 17 2012, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(Aura @ Jul 17 2012, 04:44 PM)
For this matter, very subjective.... But I can tell u the recommended stats u should aim for.... These values are IMO only.... Others may have other opinions....

Decent stats will be around this values:
HP = 55k
DPS = 35k

U can aim for these 2 goals 1st... Run every run with double armor passives which ur armor can reach till around 9k with decent eq.... As ur STR develops, so does ur defense... So, for this matter, u dun need to worry too much....

As for shield, block rate doesn't matter much... All u wan is to get as much stats increase as possible.... For me, I can settle for around 16%-20%.... The reason why I'm not aiming for the block chance % modifier is bcos that property alone makes the shield very expensive....

Why I say it is subjective is bcos D3's char building system is all about balance.... The actual values doesn't matter quite much as long as u hav the correct balance.... For example, if u hav 1k AR but ur HP is like 30k, u still will get raped anyways.... That's why it's hard to justify how much exact stats u need based on ur playstyle...

Hope this helps...
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Thank You! LOL..finally i get the answer i wan. Was trying to ask u few times from my post and get no answers LOL. Thanks btw =D. will try to hit tat HP and armor ....=) CHeers

editted: cuz i tried with high AR=get raped, then i change my gears to high HP=get rape, then change again to high dps=get rape. Thats why come here to ask for help haha

editted2: another question, just wan to ask about the stats on belts "Increase Crit chance of revenge by 3%", does that mean only my Revenge increase 3% crit(means only revenge has higher critical, while other skills like bash/frenzy still remain the same crit chance), or my overall crit chance increase(which means all the skills)?

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post Jul 17 2012, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(Aura @ Jul 17 2012, 05:01 PM)


2. It's stated very clearly that it only works for one skill... Others are not affected by that effect.... Otherwise, that item will say something like this right?? -> "Increase crit chance of all barbarian skills by 3%"
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im confuse by what it writes, wad i interpret is that

1)after i used Revenge, my crit chance increase by 3%. Which means my overall crit chance also increase such as Frenzy etc etc

OR

2)when i use revenge, only revenge has crit chance added by 3%


If cant understand, here is an example for 1)

My crit chance now is 45%, after i use Revenge, it become 48%, thus my Frenzy al has 48% crit chance

case 2)

My crit now is 45%, after i use revenge, ONLY Revenge has higher crit , but then my base crit still remains 45% which thus my Frenzy will still be at 45% crit chance.
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post Jul 17 2012, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(Aura @ Jul 17 2012, 05:19 PM)
Only 1 skill is affected... it only applies to revenge... For the matter of whether the change is before or after revenge is used, I dunno about that since I dun hav any eq which has similar property as urs so I can't test this out.... Maybe someone should share this info....
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tested out few secs ago, it only applis to ONLY revenge. my crit remains the same @ 30% even after using revenge and not 33% with a 3% belt.
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post Jul 18 2012, 05:03 PM

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Finally Cleared Act2 thx to Alexhee and Aura guides =D

Anyway, anyone has vid links/guides to farm a2?
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post Jul 19 2012, 06:54 AM

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QUOTE(Kissan @ Jul 19 2012, 02:21 AM)
vault of assassin lo. Kill all then leave then resume then continue kill kill kill and repeat again & again & again
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which quest and how 2 go?
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post Aug 22 2012, 06:05 PM

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will it be a viable build to use rend to substitute whirlwind for the WW build? fury generation still d same using sprint..
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post Aug 24 2012, 03:15 PM

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guide and advice plz...i cant go through a3..@.@

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/chchan-6525/hero/7554956
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post Aug 24 2012, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Aug 24 2012, 04:09 PM)
As amiranna pointed, stats wised, you are good enough.

As cheer83 pointed, as you are WW-Tornado Barb, you need high LOH.
Obviously you do not have enough LOH.

As you do not have enough LOH, you just play normal dual-wield barb.
I still believe you can clear A3 easily with your stats.

Add me ALeUNe#6127 if you want to play co-op.
We fast fast clear A3/A4.
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how many loh do i need? currently im using dw with 700 and 600 each. the profile shown is my gear and skill build to farm a2.

i use nerve steel also to replace berserker rage
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post Aug 24 2012, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(present me @ Aug 24 2012, 05:27 PM)
Hi bro im ply for ww also, for my opinion honestly if u need LoH minimum for ww tonordo 1800 LoH above no joke... armor minimum 6500,dmg reduction 70%around, AR 850-1000 c.chance buffed 40%-50%  .c.dmg just try ur best build.... if u have this minimum state of ur gear sure u say inferno very easy...
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means c.dmg is not tat important ah? if so, then ill try replace my amulet with loh on it..cuz trying hitting 1800 jz from weapon will gona cost a bomb....~.~
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post Aug 24 2012, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(HiT-AbLe @ Aug 24 2012, 05:46 PM)
C.dmg is very important if u want to farm act3 more faster, but if u just want to finish the inferno and have no intention for farming, then c.dmg doesn't matter that much, it just takes a bit longer to kill things as long as your gears are capable for survival.
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i want to farm in a3...probably wont proceed to a4 so soon, i jz wan to farm haha
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post Aug 24 2012, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(present me @ Aug 24 2012, 06:57 PM)
Hit able said right I'm spend tornado ww gear really not cheap cos everything also need high level from ur gear ,if wan going barb normal style no problem... cost low...

Chchan if u wan build LoH first u get 400around in amulet ,further up ur weapon both 1hand have 700 around ,so u can get 1800LoH..
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upgraded, tried in a3, can kill le ^^, but farming wise i tink ill stick to a2, a3 takes too long to down an elite especially when its a champion. Is it worth spending the time to down a champion in a3 or stick a2 since a3 rare drops has higher ilvl? any advice?
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post Aug 29 2012, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(Laine @ Aug 29 2012, 08:44 PM)
i just completed act 1 in inferno. but i find that act 2 is totally unplayable.. anyone can give me some suggestions on what should i improve?

i am thinking to farm for better gear in act 1.. coz i do not have a lot of golds to spend in AH...

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/WVVW-6299/hero/2024866

thank you..
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need more all resist, hp and dmg.

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