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Kidicarus
post Jul 2 2012, 10:54 AM

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Are there any other 2H barbarians out there? Everyone here seems to be rocking some sort of tank spec for inferno which is very depressing.

Just reached lvl 60 and act 1 is as easy as pie, however the jump in difficulty in act 2 is something that i probably have to gear up for. Currently have 20kdamage, 45k health, 200+AR and 0 LOH biggrin.gif (life regeneration and nerfed lifesteal seems to provide better value for money)

I'm also glad that my 2H levelling spec is still more than viable for act 1, http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barb...;bZX!bYaZaZ however I probably need more defensive stats/better gear for act 2 and beyond.
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post Jul 2 2012, 11:06 AM

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2H = 2hander. I like 1 shotting white mobs in inferno.
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post Jul 2 2012, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Jul 2 2012, 11:43 AM)
I for one absolutely refuse to go tank spec for Inferno. I chose to be a Barb for a reason, the same reason I was a Barb in D2 and the same reason I chose the Warrior in the original Diablo. I want to play a melee class destruction wrecking machine.

I'm using sword and shield, tried out 2H but couldn't get a 2H good enough to see a significant DPS increase. Currently putting out 23k dps without WotB. 0 LOH.

You gotta look at your AR, it's very low for Inferno.
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I blame kripps for that. It makes me want to cry thinking that a lot of people soaking up damage while auto-attack with frenzy + revenge spam= barbarian (that's like old school vanilla WoW where you could tank with a fury spec).

I'm currently using a 970dps weapon socketed with +crit damage. It didn't cost too much.

You're right my AR is extremely low atm but i just made level 60 on saturday so it's one of the things i want to work on. I just got some crit chance/damage upgrades, with WOTB and agressive passives/shouts (as per specs i linked) I should be getting 200k crits on merciless charge (if i crit 5 mobs does that mean 1 million dps?). The DPS figure on the stats page is so meaningless as maybe only 10-20% of my damage output is via auto attack - most of it from aoe spam via charge and seismic slam).

Playstyle is a lot more tactical, with kiting and hit and run act 1 elites are easy but there are some with really annoying traits. Single target dps isn't too shabby either managing to take down butcher in under 2 minutes for the achievement yesterday.
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post Jul 2 2012, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(moodswingfella @ Jul 2 2012, 12:41 PM)
blame kripps? just look at him. won inferno hardcore with his tanky barb. do u think a 'decent' DPS barb can win inferno hardcore? he thought ppl the cheapest way to win inferno with barb. u cant go high DPS and won inferno hadrcore with that amount of gold. And perhaps u have forgotten that kripps also do have a high DPS barb.  or u just dint know that?

u wanna cry seeing tanky barb with ol skool revenge spam?

im a barb with 830 dps 1 hand (99% crit + STR + VIT) + board. With this. I will be tanky and yeah. Im a revenge spammer. Like it or not, call it whatever you like. But my coop fren love me cuz i can tank and they can respawn on me when they died. I can say I dont died at all when farming with em in act 3. My tanky presence, make it easier for my party when they died. Especially when our DPS dealer died, they dont want me to die yet. They wanted to res on me so that the elite wont enrage and we can cont to zerging them.

When i feel i want to be DPS dealer. I just switch my board to 1 hand mace + crit + STR + VIT. I usually do this soloing.

now, pls cry. cuz u just met a barb who like to soak up damage and help his party.
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You're cookie cutter. That's fine. If you're getting satisfaction from that gameplay style then what I post doesn't really matter. It makes me sad that you're angry because I'm trying to spec a barbarian that's not cookie cutter. When I played wow, you were a bad tank if dps died, so if your party members are dying then you're not really doing your job as a tank? I thought the whole idea behind diablo was that there's no dps/healer/tank?
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post Jul 2 2012, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 2 2012, 01:28 PM)
lololol Kidi, ive played with Moodswing before, hes not a bad tank lol, hes one of the best here, again, you have to understand, there is no direct tanking system in D3, mobs have AI that targets dps (ive observed), mortar for instance.

Kripps is no cookie cutter, he used to roll 2 handers and clear inferno just to show other players it works, what he did was trying to finish Hardcore the fastest way, to be the 1st, wy waste time and risk 2 handers when its just a goal? he could do that later. How other players view his playstyle is their problem and choice, not Kripps, i dont see how u can blame one of the best barb in the world for something like that lol

some barbs here do play dual wield and 2 handers, but as u noticed, room for experimentation isint really easy with the new repair cost and how the econ is effed up at Softcore, i personally try dual and 2 handers from time to time when i can afford is, as a casual player.

if you want to talk srs 2 handers and weilding, u can ask Duckhole, hes one that i know that can afford playing with those atm
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You're right there, but to clarify, i wasn't exactly blaming kripps - he's awesome for what he did. But what he did was so effective at survivability that a lot of people just tried to emulate him and tried to gear like him without thinking and they forgot about what the traditional barbarian was all about.

He also clarifies that he gets a lot of gear from his group and that people are always giving him stuff, which means that for normal people, we can't always gear like him.

I'm trying to make an affordable <1million build work for 2 handers. Just because you can DPS doesn't mean you have to be a glass cannon. Just because you play without a shield, doesn't mean you have any less survivability than if you played with one.
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post Jul 2 2012, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(moodswingfella @ Jul 2 2012, 01:46 PM)
In my case, I will feel bad, we will feel bad, when we failed to kill those elites. Thats all. In cooperation, we shared responsibility, we dont pin point finger and said 'omg you nub tank caused my death u fuken selfish'. How on earth am I supposed to stop elites from teleporting, throw mortar, shielding at all time??? 
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You can stop them by killing them perhaps. Just saying.

"Don't stand in the fire!" There's also ventrilo or other voice comms to help parties work better in groups to die less.

I was also being sarcastic. You can't tank in D3. It's not built like WoW. But it also means that if you're not dealing damage, than you're not contributing as well. If your people are dying too easily, then its their fault and they're not contributing either.

"Party of reasonably tough damage dealers will do much better than party of no damage tank + no survivability glass cannons" - I picked this up from a barbarian guide on the EU forums. I don't entirely agree with the advise in that guide but i do agree with this.

Revenge is there for a reason, and so are the other skills. I dunno, I posted some thoughts on the advise for lvl 60s threads and i was basically told to get to 60 first. I'm 60 now, I'm playing (mostly solo) and on a spec that i really enjoy with some gear with stats and cheap properties (life steal and life regen lol) that are working really well with my skills and playstyle.
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post Jul 2 2012, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 2 2012, 02:17 PM)
in a sense there are truths to dps surviving better = more dmg output, but one thing i cant say is true is the role of tankers in D3.

Tankers in D3 is different than the usual gamers preception of a tanker, we dont do direct tanking, we "support". Skills like Stomp Wrenching, Frenzy Stunners, Leap wrench and stun runes, revenge even, are crowd control skills, Warcry impunity gives MAJOR contribution in Monk based tanking and DPS buffs for survivalbility.

Last and not least, the reason why a barb shouldnt die in a coop is not coz he cant kill, he MUST maintain minimal dmg on elites so they dont FULL HEAL before the party arrives after a wipe. HENCE the notion of TANKER is here.

this is the difference between solo and coop gameplay. you cant gauge a class usability based on a particular gameplay man
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I wouldn't call that tanking, more like having good synergy and team work with the group. I'm sure all the other classes have their forms of crowd control as do we? In groups war cry + impunity seems like the most imba skill we have and i don't mind sacrificing 30% dps so that everyone else lives 20% longer. The specs are so flexible we can more or less change when we need to.

That notion of a tanker is quite doable for me. While kiting I have enough rage generating skills to do aoe which does between 35k to 100k damage on aoe targets. My passive regen is often enough to keep me up and enough escape skills (leap/furious charge) to stay alive.

Also: i use the AH a lot, I'm still learning what sells but that seems to be the only way to excel at this game.
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post Jul 2 2012, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(jerrykhor @ Jul 2 2012, 02:00 PM)
Hi All, my first post here.. who is having lower DPS & Armor than me at Inferno Act 1 ...lol?
No money to upgrade my gear (only 300k at stash) ... rclxub.gif
anyone with unused equipment (at cheap price) ..kindly contact me.. tongue.gif

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i noticed no one giving advice to poor jerry so i thought i'd give it a shot.

Dude.. you need more strength and vitality. to put things into context, my level 33 barb had 594str and 399 vitality. Sure armor and all resists are important but please do not neglect your stats sad.gif

nerves of steel in your case only gives 458 armor. That makes me want to cry.
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post Jul 2 2012, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Jul 2 2012, 04:19 PM)
I'm in the office so I can't see the attached screenies. smile.gif

I think for us who suscribe to a Barbarian 'ideal' of an offensive barb, coming into Act 2 Inferno really makes us stop and think defensively. It's not a question of how much armor or life or AR we need, but how much defensive investment is ENOUGH for us considering the limitations of our gold? Still trying to work it out defensively.
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As an offensive barbarian, I can pretty much steam roll Act 1 and Act 1 is such a big boost to income (I do die on occasion due to carelessness) so hopefully gold won't be too much of an issue, i'm in no rush anyway. I've killed elite and champion packs on act 2 but not without dying so it's something i need to work on. Defensive investment is important no doubt, but all the investment in the world is not going to make much of a difference if the player's skills/gameplay style is bad.
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post Jul 2 2012, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(moodswingfella @ Jul 2 2012, 04:43 PM)
kiddi. maybe i missed out you post somewhere, but may I know your DPS?
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I'm not sure, I'll check when i get back from work maybe bout 22-23k unbuffed, but for my playstyle there's no point in talking about dps, because i don't auto attack and rely on skills to generate damage. In super saiyan mode i think i saw 200k damage crits. Normal crits for bash (yes i use bash) is about 70-80k, but most of my damage is from my aoe attacks like seismic slam and furious charge which have high weapon damage modifiers.

I wish there were damage meter mods sad.gif
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post Jul 2 2012, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(moodswingfella @ Jul 2 2012, 04:57 PM)
im a bash user too. i love bash + punish.

but I dont really use skills to kill (like seismiec slam and all). But I really like to try that too. Later i got home i post my build too. Cuz I can get around 17k DPS with my tanker build. perhaps with some change, I can increase my DPS.
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haha maybe you can boost me through act 2 tongue.gif

You're right in the sense i've not played much co-op inferno, since this is my first 60 (i should really post in the slow levellers thread) and i only got here on saturday.

I'll add you later on so you have a rough idea of how i play.

edit: I love how +bash damage on belts is such a cheap stat and how bash+punish is awesome because the damage modifier works on other skills compared to the frenzy buffs.

This post has been edited by Kidicarus: Jul 2 2012, 05:08 PM
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post Jul 3 2012, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(HaRuaN.X @ Jul 3 2012, 10:04 AM)
1Hander ler, 2Hander still tough to sell...got a few 800++ DPS either with socket or comes with 70% above Crit Damage Affix, 2Hander sale not moving
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ya lol picked up a 1k dps socketable 2hander mace for 50,000gold.
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post Jul 6 2012, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Jul 5 2012, 09:21 PM)
Looks like the build to farm Act 3 (clear fast, few skips and few deaths) is:

60k HP
600 LOH
30k DPS
800 fire/arcane/physical
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What type of elites/champions do you normally skip? Is it the same for everyone?

I'm still working my way through act 2 (I have been foolishly trying to kill every single elite) and i find that the only ones that i try to avoid are the invulnerable minions with annoying prefix(vortex, molten, desecrator) - i get destroyed too quickly on those. I'm still on <1mill gear.
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post Jul 6 2012, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 6 2012, 01:37 PM)
i think if you read the thread you will understand why most barbs are constraint to the typical board build, not everyone have that 200USD to start a crit build, as it is, getting gears that are crit based is basically a competition against DH and monks user, obviously barbs are the underdogs here UNLESS you are lucky.

ada wang ada amoi, same rule applies man
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Well, he's also shown that it's cheaper to own dps gear than it is to own tank gear
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post Jul 16 2012, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(LiQuiD @ Jul 16 2012, 02:34 PM)
minimum 800 AR for act 2..armour 8-9k minimum
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This is bullcrap.

I'm a 2h Mace Barb, with about 6k armor and less than 350AR, 0LOH but about 44k hit points. I'm killing Belial with 5NV stacks. It's hard to calculate how much my gear costs as I've upgraded some items a few times (through drops/AH) but it's less than or about a million gold. I'm on about 40k dps with 20% crit chance and with my latest upgrade +300% crit damage. Yeah, my gear is still beginner gear.

You can tell i'm not running a gimmick talent build like earthquake/wotb or tornado build through my talent build: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barb...;ZXb!bYacaZ . I don't even run war cry with impunity or superstition, yet I can kill most elites/champions with the invulnerable minions+other annoying abilities combo that causes me the most trouble. Otherwise, on a Kulle run (clearing desolate sands etc) i will usually skip 1 or 2 champ packs, depending on luck.

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post Jul 16 2012, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(sovietmah @ Jul 16 2012, 04:25 PM)
I don't think u need too much high resist for killing belial as long as u becareful with the poison and hit.
but u ok when facing elite (with chain and walking fire)?
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I was just responding to "minimum 800 AR for act 2..armour 8-9k minimum"

Belial will still 2 shot me. So i can't just stand still and hit him. It's getting easier as i upgrade my gear though.

Basically, my play style consists of using that old "don't stand in (fire/poison/crap)" strategy. Vanilla chain and walking fire is easy as i tend to kite those and aoe them down with seismic slam. Waller/vortex/fast/invulnerable minions would complicate things.
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post Jul 16 2012, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(Aura @ Jul 16 2012, 04:35 PM)
Ur scenario is different than BboyDora... U hav DPS and decent amount of HP to compensate ur low resist.... For his case, he lacks both DPS and HP but he can't be pumping both if he doesn't have the gold to do so... But if I were to choose, I will definitely go for more HP pool so that u can take more hits.... The longer he survives, the more DPS he can do....
He will still be ok as long as he can kill fast enuf.... But still, it is recommended to pump more resist anyways to maximize his survivability.... He just needs to be extra careful... That's all....
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I bet he's trying to tank his way through the acts. I'm saying that trying to do that is not economical. I'm not saying that I'm the best barbarian ever but considering that i can now farm act 2 after spending very little means that i'm either doing something very right or that he's doing something very wrong.
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post Jul 20 2012, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(lamefish @ Jul 20 2012, 12:38 PM)
Yeah, having them both definitely better but also will hurt trying to go for budget builds.
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For budget builds it's definitely better to mix it in with life regen which can be found on more items and is cheaper than LOH which has been mentioned

I know times have changed and all, but back in the day, it was generally considered a good idea to not stand in poison/flames/desecration etc. If your healing<damage moving helps.
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post Jul 23 2012, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jul 23 2012, 12:02 AM)
Your gears should be good for Nightmare.

You will need to source for better gears in Hell mode, where you need AR.
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This is probably the worst advise ever given. You need exactly 0 AR in Hell mode.

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post Jul 23 2012, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jul 23 2012, 11:12 AM)
0 AR in Hell Mode? You must have god-like armor and skill that can withstand/dodge arcane/poison/fire in Hell mode.
I was a noobie Barb. I needed 100AR in Act4 Hell Mode (if my memory serves me right).


Added on July 23, 2012, 11:13 am
You may need to check with currylaksa on how to get 1-2M gears.
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I'm glad you think i have god like skill, in reality i'm just an average player. Having said that, using armor/all resists to compensate for lack of ability is an adequate method of getting through the game though not ideal.

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