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ALeUNe
post Jun 23 2012, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(sixshot @ Jun 22 2012, 11:02 PM)
any barb that can tank diablo inferno?
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The repair cost is too high. Quit that. laugh.gif
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post Jun 26 2012, 09:17 AM

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I'm now building my 2nd hero, a Monk.
Honestly speaking, Barb is a real melee hero in D3.

Monk is not a melee hero. It is pretty easy to play Monk (as compared to Barb).
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post Jun 26 2012, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jun 26 2012, 09:34 AM)
imho monks are more of a supportive tanker, they have healing skills O.o  give them some time i think more funny builds will come out
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In fact, monk can attack in distance. Not a real melee class hero.
Monk has healing skills (breath of heaven & mantra) + healing potion + health globes.
Where Barb has to rely on healing potion + health globes.
Monk has a non-expiry phantom friend to do the attack. And sweeping wind+mantra to do some damages too.

That makes monk a lot easier to play.

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post Jun 26 2012, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(mugenz @ Jun 26 2012, 09:50 AM)
yeahh.. that pretty makes monk easy to play..

Barb should be the only one given the 30% bonus from dmg taken. (anyone felt that 30%? lol)
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One good thing about Barb is, it can build up DPS and armor through upgrading the strength attributes.
But you know, armor is quite irrelevant in Inferno, especially when it comes to elites. laugh.gif
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post Jun 26 2012, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jun 26 2012, 10:05 AM)
eh? u sure? i thought armor def calculation reduct all types of dmg? including arcane, desc etc etc, just that the ratio needed is larger in numbers
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Very sure. I had very good armor (10K+). No good at all.
It is better to build the barb on all resistance.

If you notice, many chose to have low armor helm for their barbs nowadays.
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post Jun 26 2012, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jun 26 2012, 10:17 AM)
hmm...odd...

so basically AR > Armor? based on what ratio?
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Barb is the most difficult class, IMO.
You need to have balance attributes, offensively and defensively.

You still need minimum 9K for the armor.
800 for the AR (before war cry).
50K for the HP.

It is not easy to build that.


Added on June 26, 2012, 10:23 am
QUOTE(Aura @ Jun 26 2012, 10:21 AM)
Armor is quite important as well.... Never neglect that.... And yes, it basically reduces any dmg types that u hav dealt but however, resistance is more important....

As for the 2nd part, I do think it exist and we can take 1 or 2 more hits than other classes but that's pretty much it to me....
It's actually about balance to be honest.... If I were to rate the stats based on importance, I will rate it like this...

Resistance > Vitality > Str / Armor

So far, from what I've experienced, I think this is the way to go.... But nvr neglect the stats cos everything counts....
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Yes, this is exactly what I found too.

But one thing is still lacking, health generation.
Barbs still need to wait for the "casting time" for the health potion.
And Barbs could get killed within a second for that. laugh.gif

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post Jun 26 2012, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(Aura @ Jun 26 2012, 10:25 AM)
Barb is not the most difficult class but the most geared dependent class to me....

And actually, those defense are not hard to get.... The problem is the balance as u said.... But one thing's for sure is that u need to get gear for survival 1st then once u r able to survive, then go balance ur DPS.... I think it's the most sensible thing to do plus ppl expects a barb to be "Tough as Nails" so that we can help them to cross acts.... LOL!!!
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Yep, i could not have said it better myself.

Geared dependent, and it could cost you 50-60 millions D3 gold. laugh.gif
And that makes it a lot more difficult.

Offensively, Barbs need DPS, crit %, crit damage + atk speed %.
Defensively, Barbs need AR, other resistance (bonus), vitality and even block rate (for those who want to "block").

It is darn expensive to have those gears nowadays.
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post Jun 26 2012, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(Aura @ Jun 26 2012, 10:31 AM)
Health regen can get it through skills if u don't hav gear.... U can hav something like Ignore Pain with Ignorance is Bliss rune and Inspiring Presence passive.... That will keep u alive for quite sometime until u hav the gear to replace that.... Depends on how u play the game....
Barbs focus a lot on AR but they also hav armor on their eq for added advantage other than STR.... As I've said before, AR is the most important stat to me IMO.... But I can tell u that there are ways to make ur chars tanky other than just solely pumping AR cos AR doesn't come cheap....
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Life regen gear?
Then Barb will need to have 200millions gears. laugh.gif

Imagine you need a helm with AR, crit damage, strength, vitality, armor + life regen.
That alone can cost you 30m gold.
And a glove with IAS, crit %, crit damage, AR + life regen.


Added on June 26, 2012, 10:44 am
QUOTE(statikinetic @ Jun 26 2012, 10:24 AM)
I thought AR and Armor worked in tandem for damage mitigation.

100k damage taken.
Armor reduction 60%.
40k damage taken.
AR reduction 60%.
16k damage taken.

End result, what would be a 100k hit ends up being 16k. Do correct me if I'm mistaken on the mechanics. I think us barbs focus a lot on AR because while Armor comes naturally to us through STR, AR does not.
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I did this test before.

I had my armor low (about 4K).
But I had my AR at 550-600 (before war cry).
I could run like a boss in Hell mode.

I came to a conclusion that AR > armor. That's for sure.

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post Jun 26 2012, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(bakabakayaro @ Jun 26 2012, 10:55 AM)
actually, i think, the problem we face.. is not really about getting gear.. gear is abundant in AH, the problem is its blooody expensive, and we farm much slower than other classes since we do not have a glass canon spec, and really rely much on gear to farm. of course we can always buy magic find and gold find, but would be very tough for ppl who just reach 60.. even i am having trouble farming gold to buy gears i need =.=
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A good chest armor with 3 sockets could cost you 30-40 millions D3 gold.
It is tough to be Barbs. laugh.gif
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post Jun 26 2012, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(jackiewong @ Jun 26 2012, 11:05 AM)
i seldom buy gear nowadays as the price is so damn high.. so just make sure u can survive in act1 inferno.. then party with ur friends n have a run in act1.. when we all get rare items we share.. if too rubbish we just sell it.. seem like u really need a bunch of friend that will do sharing instead of gold minded..
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Act 1 is no problem.
Act 2 is where the problem begins. laugh.gif
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post Jun 26 2012, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(bakabakayaro @ Jun 26 2012, 11:39 AM)
But sometimes i feel its faster/easier/dont die so much in a group, cuz the mobs has less focus on one person. Lol! Yea, everynight camping AH and farming ACT1 gets kinda boring.. and i only can play abt 3 hours a day. haha. oh well.. if u guys get any nice drops sell to me cheap cheap.. wkakaka
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I said it before. When it comes to melee, Barb's only friend is Monk.
Monks work extremely well with Barbs, and vice versa.
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post Jun 26 2012, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(bakabakayaro @ Jun 26 2012, 11:43 AM)
no friends play monk sad.gif.. have.. lvl 20 saja haha
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Wait for my monk. Level 28 now. laugh.gif
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post Jun 26 2012, 05:13 PM

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http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2402984

This thread proves that Barbs don't need armor after all.
Just build your barbs with 6-7K armor will do.
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post Jun 27 2012, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(htpkevin @ Jun 26 2012, 06:47 PM)
that is critical build?
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All classes have to go crit build in inferno.
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post Jun 28 2012, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(jackiewong @ Jun 28 2012, 09:43 AM)
i cannot brain it when u guys saying.. "okie i got 1k AR d.. then now start balancing with this n that".. haha.. sound likes ur AR can maintain there n just add another 2 or 3 stats as easy as u just add add stat yo ur current eq..  tongue.gif
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You can get another gear with the same AR + additional crit% + IAS + Strength + Vitality etc.
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post Jun 28 2012, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Jun 28 2012, 09:51 AM)
It's a barb specific mighty weapon which I sniped for 100k just before the huge jump in repair costs. Lightning damage so I get the cool blue visual, Ignore Durability Loss and +150 Dex (Which is useless for me).
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You can dodge with higher DEX.
Imagine Diablo spit fire at you and you dodge with your high DEX. laugh.gif
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post Jun 30 2012, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(Goodie9730 @ Jun 30 2012, 12:27 PM)
Just to share will all fellow barbs...i just finished rebuilding my barb after regular r@pe session from elite bosses in ACT 3...now i can pretty much dances around with them with K-Pop, BBQ or remote control car...i remain my skills but decided to change my EQs...here are my stats if i rmb them correctly...

HP - 72,000
Block Chance - 25%
Block Amount - 3700 to 4700
All Resist - 1000
Life On Hit - 1500
Armor - 8000 (before warcry)
DPS - 14,000

Warcry
Revenge
Leap
Ignore Pain
Frenzy
MOTB

Bloodthirst, Nerves of steel and tough as nails
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72k HP2 with 1500 life per hit + 1000AR.
That explains it worth at least 10m 3-4 weeks ago. And probably 50-60m now.
I think it requires kick-ass rings and amulet too, to boost up the vitality up to 72K. It's 72K we're talking about.


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QUOTE(Luftwacko @ Jun 30 2012, 03:10 PM)
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I have the same reaction too.
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post Jun 30 2012, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(Goodie9730 @ Jun 30 2012, 04:56 PM)
my current STR VIT stands at 1262 and 1419...AR about 600+ without warcry...i tried dropping my VIT and Life % in favor of STR for more DPS but I cant tong for long when there is K-pop,BBQ and remote control car (arcane, morten, desecrator and nightmarish)...if you have the budget, go buy a Justice Lantern...for me 25%-30% block rate(including shield) is more than enough to tank ACT 3...if you are building your barb on LOH, you need to pump up your HP as high as possible...800+ LOH should be ok...if you need higher LOH, why not consider LOH 600+ on a magic amulet which cost about 3m? you can gradually upgrade to better amulet once you have earned enough...anything above 55k HP should do just fine...but it depends on how your playing style is...for me I like to stand there and whack...though I will run around occasionally...

Magic amulet +600 LOH
Socketed Sword + 300-400 LOH
2X Magic ring +400 LOH

This will be economy for a start if you dont mind there is limited stats on these EQs

Only my 2 gold opinion tongue.gif
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Justic Lantern cost at least 13m.

P/S +400LOH on weapon? That gem alone costs more than a million.
If you bought the plan, it could have cost you few millions.

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post Jul 2 2012, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(opera33 @ Jul 1 2012, 04:19 PM)
I have tried double tornado build, not too bad, just have to slot myself with main hand using 82x dmg, 279 str axe, off hand 6xx dmg 5xxLOH weapon, 5xxLOH amulet with CC, and a 2xx LOH ring x 1.. not too expensive for this build.
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The jews crafting + the jews crafting plan cost you few millions.

So you have 1200+ LOH. How much for those gears?
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post Jul 2 2012, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Jul 2 2012, 10:54 AM)
Are there any other 2H barbarians out there?  Everyone here seems to be rocking some sort of tank spec for inferno which is very depressing.

Just reached lvl 60 and act 1 is as easy as pie, however the jump in difficulty in act 2 is something that i probably have to gear up for.  Currently have 20kdamage, 45k health, 200+AR and 0 LOH biggrin.gif (life regeneration and nerfed lifesteal seems to provide better value for money)

I'm also glad that my 2H levelling spec is still more than viable for act 1, http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barb...;bZX!bYaZaZ however I probably need more defensive stats/better gear for act 2 and beyond.
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2H weapon or dual-wield?



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