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eehtsitna
post Jul 3 2012, 02:48 PM

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I see. Thanks for the pointer. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(eehtsitna @ Jul 3 2012, 11:02 AM)
Hi umbra folks! Me noob witch doctah. Still learning the way of the Unformed Land and enjoying every last bit of it. Wanna ask what is the best stat for me pets? They all seems so squishy. tongue.gif
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All resists, Armour
Fierce Loyalty + High Regen (you can add in Blood Ritual as well for extra regen + Templar. In Inferno, use Enchantress instead for Armor boost)
Jungle Fortitude
Bad Medicine if you want to combo with some poison spells.


Need very good gear though.

5k armour, 550++ resists, 1350 hp regen is enough for me to get through Act 1. Act 2, tak boleh lah. Need much higher stats.
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post Jul 3 2012, 02:52 PM

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From the post u guys post, I can see hope playing WD in inferno.
Now struggling in act 1 with 25k dps and 30k Hp. Can't solo .
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post Jul 3 2012, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(BboyDora @ Jul 3 2012, 02:52 PM)
Now struggling in act 1 with 25k dps and 30k Hp. Can't solo .
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Sounds like you need more armour and resists and life on hit. With the stats below, I can take Butcher's charge or the pull and smash or the fiery floor. Basically just sit next to him and kill him (very slowly, though).

My current build: (I keep changing things up from time to time)
36k hp
450++ resists
5.1k armor
1.3k hp regen
1250 life on hit
7k dps
38 mana/sec

CC effects:
8% chill, 7% freeze, 2% stun, 3.3% slow

Passives:
Bad Medicine, Jungle Fortitude, Blood Ritual

Spells:
Firebomb - Firepit
Spirit Walk - Healing Journey
Acid Cloud - Acid Rain
Corpse Spider - Spider Queen
Horrify - Frightening Aspect
Zombie Charger - Zombie Bears

Working quite well for me at this moment. Able to solo Act 2 past Maghda. Tried Vision Quest builds, didn't like it. With this build, I kind of like the balance it offers. Pretty tanky, have 2 oh sh!t skills, 1 low mana AoE/CC proc/damage reduction/life gain in Spider Queen. And Zombie Bears can be use for certain situations that calls for burst damage.

Against most elites, even Molten/Plague, I can sit and tank. With 3 skills constantly providing AoE life on hits. So far, only freeze bomb and fire chain elites are really bothersome.

Definitely need more dps, but at least I don't die that much.

This post has been edited by SweetPuff: Jul 3 2012, 03:24 PM
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post Jul 3 2012, 04:16 PM

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mothangel definitely can do a3 easily~ as with my lousy dps and gears~ 30k hp 35k dps 500+ res, i can easily kill a2 and a3 will be tough if there is bloodclan warrior or molok + shielding and inv

i can even solo a goblin with 4 ppl in the pt for a2/3~ imagine his 49k dps sure better than mine lol
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QUOTE(SweetPuff @ Jul 3 2012, 03:23 PM)
Sounds like you need more armour and resists and life on hit. With the stats below, I can take Butcher's charge or the pull and smash or the fiery floor. Basically just sit next to him and kill him (very slowly, though).

My current build: (I keep changing things up from time to time)
36k hp
450++ resists
5.1k armor
1.3k hp regen
1250 life on hit
7k dps
38 mana/sec

CC effects:
8% chill, 7% freeze, 2% stun, 3.3% slow

Passives:
Bad Medicine, Jungle Fortitude, Blood Ritual

Spells:
Firebomb - Firepit
Spirit Walk - Healing Journey
Acid Cloud - Acid Rain
Corpse Spider - Spider Queen
Horrify - Frightening Aspect
Zombie Charger - Zombie Bears

Working quite well for me at this moment. Able to solo Act 2 past Maghda. Tried Vision Quest builds, didn't like it. With this build, I kind of like the balance it offers. Pretty tanky, have 2 oh sh!t skills, 1 low mana AoE/CC proc/damage reduction/life gain in Spider Queen. And Zombie Bears can be use for certain situations that calls for burst damage.

Against most elites, even Molten/Plague, I can sit and tank. With 3 skills constantly providing AoE life on hits. So far, only freeze bomb and fire chain elites are really bothersome.

Definitely need more dps, but at least I don't die that much.
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isnt your DPS a little bit too low???
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post Jul 3 2012, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(renishi @ Jul 3 2012, 04:16 PM)
mothangel definitely can do a3 easily~ as with my lousy dps and gears~ 30k hp 35k dps 500+ res, i can easily kill a2 and a3 will be tough if there is bloodclan warrior or molok + shielding and inv

i can even solo a goblin with 4 ppl in the pt for a2/3~ imagine his 49k dps sure better than mine lol
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lol A3 still hard for me when it comes to fighting elites ,
I dont have enough LoH sad.gif
But when comes to boss is easy with dart.


Added on July 3, 2012, 5:35 pm
QUOTE(SweetPuff @ Jul 3 2012, 03:23 PM)
Sounds like you need more armour and resists and life on hit. With the stats below, I can take Butcher's charge or the pull and smash or the fiery floor. Basically just sit next to him and kill him (very slowly, though).

My current build: (I keep changing things up from time to time)
36k hp
450++ resists
5.1k armor
1.3k hp regen
1250 life on hit
7k dps
38 mana/sec

CC effects:
8% chill, 7% freeze, 2% stun, 3.3% slow

Passives:
Bad Medicine, Jungle Fortitude, Blood Ritual

Spells:
Firebomb - Firepit
Spirit Walk - Healing Journey
Acid Cloud - Acid Rain
Corpse Spider - Spider Queen
Horrify - Frightening Aspect
Zombie Charger - Zombie Bears

Working quite well for me at this moment. Able to solo Act 2 past Maghda. Tried Vision Quest builds, didn't like it. With this build, I kind of like the balance it offers. Pretty tanky, have 2 oh sh!t skills, 1 low mana AoE/CC proc/damage reduction/life gain in Spider Queen. And Zombie Bears can be use for certain situations that calls for burst damage.

Against most elites, even Molten/Plague, I can sit and tank. With 3 skills constantly providing AoE life on hits. So far, only freeze bomb and fire chain elites are really bothersome.

Definitely need more dps, but at least I don't die that much.
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How long it took to solo the whole Imprisoned Angel for you? Dam salute you lol


Added on July 3, 2012, 5:47 pm
QUOTE(ROTiJOHN @ Jul 3 2012, 01:51 PM)
bro act 3/act 4 easy for you? i cant use zombear, too risky. my dps 30k only, cant kill the farken ghom.
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Ghom i did it before i get my crit build done with my friends


Added on July 3, 2012, 5:48 pm
QUOTE(OnGx2 @ Jul 3 2012, 09:30 AM)
woah, act 3/4?
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Havent reach A4 dont have tanker sad.gif


Added on July 3, 2012, 5:51 pm
QUOTE(tgrrr @ Jul 3 2012, 02:01 PM)


Added on July 3, 2012, 2:06 pmMay I know you are at which Act with your current set of equipment?
I'm curious coz still wondering how to build up my equipment... what with the sky high price in AH nowadays sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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Ive reach A3 but problems with elites since i dont have LoH yet.
So far im farming A1:Imprisoned Angel. Faster run. A2 too much walking i hate A2 biggrin.gif

This post has been edited by mothangel: Jul 3 2012, 05:51 PM
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post Jul 3 2012, 07:45 PM

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Haven't really timed Imprisoned Angel before. I'd say 35 minutes if I include Festering Woods to stack NV. I'll time it next time.

One thing to note is that with 0 threat of dying, I'll just sit in place and spam attacks. And I'll have spider, firepit, acid cloud all ticking at the same time coupled with bears every now and then, so encounters seems to move at a decent pace.
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QUOTE(BboyDora @ Jul 3 2012, 02:52 PM)
From the post u guys post, I can see hope playing WD in inferno.
Now struggling in act 1 with 25k dps and 30k Hp. Can't solo .
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i can teach u simple build to win act 1, which cost u little money, which currently my wd is running on to, because it's easy and clear everything fast in act 1 including butcher, and able to clear act 2 the 3 map before zoltun but some elites cmi

my stats now is around
hp 28k (30k+ is good too)
armor 2.7k (enough for act 1)
all resist 200-250 (enough for act 1, more is better)
dps 15k (10k-15k is more than enough)
freeze 4.5% (most important, around 4% will be enough too)
blind 2.3%(optional, it's on my mojo)
stun 4% (second important, unless u got high dps, this can be optional)
fear 4%(optional, sometimes i use the helm with this proc when farming act 2)
LoH 630 (this is important stats but 600+ seems enough for me in act 1, more is better, get a cheap dps 400-600 ceremonial knife with mana regen)
mana regen 49 (40-50 will do, important stats as u need it to spam acid rain, get a helm + mojo + ceremonial knife with mana regen)

the legendary skill build here
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/witc...;ZVU!caYYZZ

how to play:
keep 4 of ur skill on cd, spam acid rain when u see the mob are at far(which will be your main spam, freeze/stun most of the most and keeping ur life at max even tanking elites, unless molten exploding, arcane, fire chain etc u will need to run a bit), use zombie bear only when enemy have tough hp and close to u (it deal much more dps than your acid rain but it's unsafe because u dont get LoH with this skill)
my advice is, spam 1-3 acid rain when killing elites/boss, then spam 1-3 zombie bears, spam 1-3 acid rain again and repeat, this will ensure keeping ur hp at full while dealing more dps with bear

when ur pets are alive, u can spam more bear if need, ur aoe pet will gain LoH for you too so basically u will be at full hp too, ur pets will also proc stun/freeze etc for u by their aoe (fire dogs and poison garg)

hope it works for u, good luck, this build just require low budget and u can get them for 3k gold -100k gold, 4% freeze belt will be more expensive a bit, dps doesnt matter so dont need to get those gears with high int

act 2 will works with this build too but u need to upgrade more LoH,AR,HP etc, works well in party too because u can freeze everything and your teammates can kill them easily

act 3/4 freeze/stun etc doesn't work well anymore because the mobs have too much cc reduction, not advisable to use this build, focus more on AR,HP,Armor,LoH,DPS

PVP not tested yet
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post Jul 3 2012, 09:29 PM

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bear loh cap at 11%~ so u wont leech much with bear~ i am not sure abt darts
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post Jul 3 2012, 10:44 PM

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act 1 is really easy for WD. i can clear act 1 like piece of cake. but act 2 and act 3 can't.
i mostly use zombie bears and fire bomb. but when come to elite, just spam bears. able to clear them off in less than 10 secs unless those with shielding. elite only have around 600-800k HP in act 1. 1 bear hits 50-60k damage. so its really easy. just use spirit walk and spam bears. my dps is 20k. HP 35k. resist around 600-700. monster hit me around 1k only. so 35k HP got plenty to spend smile.gif
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I am looking around for weapon that has LoH (with 1 socket will be an icing on the cake).

Now i am just sticking with my recently bought mace and bring along my ceremonial knife if things go kaput.

Unlocked Inferno Act 2 but will be farming in Act 1.

Been tinkering about, this I will try tonight.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/witc...;VWc!bbcYca

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post Jul 4 2012, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(mothangel @ Jul 3 2012, 05:30 PM)
Ive reach A3 but problems with elites since i dont have LoH yet.
So far im farming A1:Imprisoned Angel. Faster run. A2 too much walking i hate A2  biggrin.gif
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Thanks for the update.


So it seems so far there are 3 different major build for WD that's viable, popular, whatever.. (with variations on each one of course)
1. Kiting build,
Using high speed darts and spamming bears or other high mana high damage skills, probably with VQ. Low to moderate resist all and armor, need to be agile to change tactical position. Just need enough HP to survive.
Cons,
Darts can get blocked by walls, invulnerable minions, etc...
Bears need to get close to use.
VQ not efficient (requires many skills on CD to activate), otherwise mana consumption cannot keep up.


2. Tank build,
High LoH, high resist all and moderate armor and high HP. Balance HP regen using LoH against damage from monsters attack. LoH benefit can be magnified using pets, skills that stacks, etc.. With CC capability as bonuses.
Cons,
??


3. Pets build,
High HP regen with Fierce Loyalty, high resist all and high armor (all 3 scale for pets). With LoH and CC capability as very very useful. Moderate HP enough.
Cons,
Pets not intelligent enough, Plague and Desecrators (or other mechanism) can killed pets off too fast. Need to withdraw/micro-manage pets in such cases.
If pets die, their CD of 1 minute is very long.
Not sure if this is viable/efficient at later Acts.


I'm trying to figure out how to build up my gear next for Act II onwards.
Currently using dart build + bear build, no VQ, and my stats (can take 90% of elites in Act I),
17+k DPS,
24k HP,
4k Armor,
450 lowest Resist All


I'm leaning towards using LoH and variations between tank and pet build. Was trying rain of toads yesterday and it's actually pretty effective (as long as my HP can sustain it) and I'm not using any LoH yet.
So gonna add LoH and try tanking more, running less.
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My ceremonial knife is the only weapon I have as LoH (socketed with flawless square which net me only +105 LoH), which is pathetic.

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wrong section sry..

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Ok. Today try to spend 500k - 1mil for my WD build for inferno act 1.
Till now I spend nothing. Still using those items I play for hell.. Haha. Just use those weapons or armour I found .
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QUOTE(BboyDora @ Jul 4 2012, 05:02 PM)
Ok. Today try to spend 500k - 1mil for my WD build for inferno act 1.
Till now I spend nothing. Still using those items I play for hell.. Haha. Just use those weapons or armour I found .
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to me 200k item from AH can play at act 1..
search below 50k..
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QUOTE(OnGx2 @ Jul 3 2012, 08:55 PM)
i can teach u simple build to win act 1, which cost u little money, which currently my wd is running on to, because it's easy and clear everything fast in act 1 including butcher, and able to clear act 2 the 3 map before zoltun but some elites cmi

my stats now is around
hp 28k (30k+ is good too)
armor 2.7k (enough for act 1)
all resist 200-250 (enough for act 1, more is better)
dps 15k (10k-15k is more than enough)
freeze 4.5% (most important, around 4% will be enough too)
blind 2.3%(optional, it's on my mojo)
stun 4% (second important, unless u got high dps, this can be optional)
fear 4%(optional, sometimes i use the helm with this proc when farming act 2)
LoH 630 (this is important stats but 600+ seems enough for me in act 1, more is better, get a cheap  dps 400-600 ceremonial knife with mana regen)
mana regen 49 (40-50 will do, important stats as u need it to spam acid rain, get a helm + mojo + ceremonial knife with mana regen)

the legendary skill build here
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/witc...;ZVU!caYYZZ

how to play:
keep 4 of ur skill on cd, spam acid rain when u see the mob are at far(which will be your main spam, freeze/stun most of the most and keeping ur life at max even tanking elites, unless molten exploding, arcane, fire chain etc u will need to run a bit), use zombie bear only when enemy have tough hp and close to u (it deal much more dps than your acid rain but it's unsafe because u dont get LoH with this skill)
my advice is, spam 1-3 acid rain when killing elites/boss, then spam 1-3 zombie bears, spam 1-3 acid rain again and repeat, this will ensure keeping ur hp at full while dealing more dps with bear

when ur pets are alive, u can spam more bear if need, ur aoe pet will gain LoH for you too so basically u will be at full hp too, ur pets will also proc stun/freeze etc for u by their aoe (fire dogs and poison garg)


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30 k hp
30 k dps
3500 armor
41% crit chance
200% crit damage
900 physical resist
750 ar
geared enchantress 4800 dps
Loh 300
regen 500

Vq with dire bats, reached Diablo inferno already. All elites no problem, occasionally die once or twice. 30k dps definitely can get u to Diablo.

I swapped out bears, and use dire bats and never regretted.
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QUOTE(Jcsy @ Jul 5 2012, 01:06 AM)
30 k hp
30 k dps
3500 armor
41% crit chance
200% crit damage
900 physical resist
750 ar
geared enchantress 4800 dps
Loh 300
regen 500

Vq with dire bats, reached Diablo inferno already. All elites no problem, occasionally die once or twice. 30k dps definitely can get u to Diablo.

I swapped out bears, and use dire bats and never regretted.
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mind to let me see your gears? how many m spent? if not so expensive i oso wanna try...

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