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cyruz13
post Jun 4 2012, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(icecolddamncold @ Jun 4 2012, 02:26 PM)
bro u using dual-wield can survive in inferno kah? i feels like throwing my shield away coz my dps only 12k unbuffed  doh.gif
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i tried solo.. .. act 1 from... khanz staff .. until .... butcher..
die few times ... skip one of the elite.. i think.. one of the elite with immune ability... ... kenot tahan sad.gif
the rest manageable.. butcher 3rd try only win with proper buff and skill ..

i tried coop.... i need a barbi war cry buff and stun skill and some dps-er (HD/ Wiz) to deal massive damage.. and change my skill to full tank mode (also with dual-wield..)...only can tank and survive..


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post Jun 4 2012, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(cyruz13 @ Jun 4 2012, 02:36 PM)
i tried solo.. .. act 1 from... khanz staff .. until .... butcher..
die few times  ... skip one of the elite.. i think.. one of the elite with immune ability... ... kenot tahan  sad.gif
the rest manageable.. butcher 3rd try only win with proper buff and skill ..

i tried coop.... i need a barbi war cry buff and stun skill and some dps-er (HD/ Wiz) to deal massive damage.. and change my skill to full tank mode (also with dual-wield..)...only can tank and survive..
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im having my shield and few lvl60 items, so far so good la not yet go inferno act 2 so not sure whether can survive there or not, act 1 just started first few quest only breezing through lol.. if can i opt not to use shield, looks better in dual weapon tongue.gif

let me post my lvl60 stats tonite and let ya all review review but pls dont laugh at my lousy stats sweat.gif
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post Jun 4 2012, 02:44 PM

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I was a duel wielder too. They key to duel wielding is to have around 40k hp, about 1.9 attack speed, and 400 life on hit. But you have to find the right weapon to duel wield.
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post Jun 4 2012, 02:47 PM

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Prefer holding shield. LOL. More defence. Plus dual wielding wont much much of a difference as off-hand's weapon DPS wont give the full 100% DPS. Might as well hold shield for higher def and hopefully get resistance shield to help boost resistance.

IMO.
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post Jun 4 2012, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(Nels @ Jun 4 2012, 02:44 PM)
I was a duel wielder too. They key to duel wielding is to have around 40k hp, about 1.9 attack speed, and 400 life on hit. But you have to find the right weapon to duel wield.
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hmm.gif hmm.gif
40k hp - me now... 33k + earth ally = 36k hp = almost there..
1.9atkspd - 2.18 .. should be ok atm..
400 life on hit - me now langsung x dak.. doh.gif

ok.. i try hunt for those item..how about the idea dps??
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post Jun 4 2012, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(sukz4eva @ Jun 4 2012, 02:47 PM)
Prefer holding shield. LOL. More defence. Plus dual wielding wont much much of a difference as off-hand's weapon DPS wont give the full 100% DPS. Might as well hold shield for higher def and hopefully get resistance shield to help boost resistance.

IMO.
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u hv a point there laugh.gif but dont u think that a monk with a shield has no difference than the former D2 paladin?
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post Jun 4 2012, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(icecolddamncold @ Jun 4 2012, 02:51 PM)
u hv a point there laugh.gif but dont u think that a monk with a shield has no difference than the former D2 paladin?
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thats the ting ... i duwan hold shield becoz i duwan them looks like a templar.. / paladin.. LoL

QUOTE(sukz4eva @ Jun 4 2012, 02:47 PM)
Prefer holding shield. LOL. More defence. Plus dual wielding wont much much of a difference as off-hand's weapon DPS wont give the full 100% DPS. Might as well hold shield for higher def and hopefully get resistance shield to help boost resistance.
IMO.
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actually i never hold a shield after lvl 10..
i want to know the atk speed if holding a shield... hmm.gif

if not mistaken.. dual-wielding will get xtra 15% atkspeed (which means.. x tra damage also) right? (correct me if i am wrong)



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post Jun 4 2012, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(sukz4eva @ Jun 4 2012, 02:47 PM)
Prefer holding shield. LOL. More defence. Plus dual wielding wont much much of a difference as off-hand's weapon DPS wont give the full 100% DPS. Might as well hold shield for higher def and hopefully get resistance shield to help boost resistance.

IMO.
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Duel wield can get you faster Spirit regen since you received addtional aspd increase by 15%.

The weapon is all that matters. Off-hand must always have the highest base damage and the difference between both hand dps cannot be more then 15% different or else you're better of with a shield.

Duel wield is fun, but you really need to use your understanding of all this mechanism to take advantage out of it.


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post Jun 4 2012, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(Nels @ Jun 4 2012, 02:59 PM)
Duel wield can get you faster Spirit regen since you received addtional aspd increase by 15%.

The weapon is all that matters. Off-hand must always have the highest base damage and the difference between both hand dps cannot be more then 15% different or else you're better of with a shield.

Duel wield is fun, but you really need to use your understanding of all this mechanism to take advantage out of it.
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hmm.gif hmm.gif can explain more on this?

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post Jun 4 2012, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(cyruz13 @ Jun 4 2012, 02:36 PM)
i tried solo.. .. act 1 from... khanz staff .. until .... butcher..
die few times  ... skip one of the elite.. i think.. one of the elite with immune ability... ... kenot tahan  sad.gif
the rest manageable.. butcher 3rd try only win with proper buff and skill ..

i tried coop.... i need a barbi war cry buff and stun skill and some dps-er (HD/ Wiz) to deal massive damage.. and change my skill to full tank mode (also with dual-wield..)...only can tank and survive..
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for act1 i go all dual wield dps and it is pretty much easy...
butcher can die within 30sec usually lol...

the thing which made dual wield possible in act1 is life on hit...


Added on June 4, 2012, 3:02 pm
QUOTE(cyruz13 @ Jun 4 2012, 03:01 PM)
hmm.gif  hmm.gif can explain more on this?
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cause ur damage alternate between ur MH and OH if u dual wield...
thus if ur OH is bad, half of ur damage is from ur OH damage which is well bad...
for me, i dual wield jz for the increased life on hit...
my dps spec only have 20k hp but i have around 900 life on hit thus i can survive lolx

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Jun 4 2012, 03:02 PM
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post Jun 4 2012, 03:09 PM

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What can you comment on a lvl 44+ NM Act 2 build with 12k health, 1.5k armor, 200+ resistant & 1k dps? I am still far from Inferno so basing on my current progress Can I get far?

How u guys get to so high dps? What's the weapon damage u guys had? Now I am just progress into 120dmg per hand (offhand another dagger with 107dmg)

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post Jun 4 2012, 03:09 PM

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huh so meaning higher dps weapon should be equipped on off-hand? not main hand? lol im so confused now..
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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Jun 4 2012, 03:09 PM)
What can you comment on a lvl 44+ NM Act 2 build with 12k health, 1.5k armor, 200+ resistant & 1k dps? I am still far from Inferno so basing on my current progress Can I get far?

How u guys get to so high dps? What's the weapon damage u guys had? Now I am just progress into 120dmg per hand (offhand another dagger with 107dmg)
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go get 1k dps weapon from AH icon_idea.gif
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post Jun 4 2012, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(icecolddamncold @ Jun 4 2012, 03:09 PM)
huh so meaning higher dps weapon should be equipped on off-hand? not main hand? lol im so confused now..
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ya.. i am confuse also..

i tot higher dps weapon on Main hand.. rclxub.gif
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post Jun 4 2012, 03:10 PM

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confusing now...

anyway, anyone with daibo???

was thinking to do daibo build... smile.gif
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post Jun 4 2012, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(memphiz_zero88 @ Jun 4 2012, 03:10 PM)
go get 1k dps weapon from AH icon_idea.gif
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I will, now is beyond my level. In fact I bought some dmg 200+ suitable for lvl 50ish. Cheap only a few hundreds bucks nia, and with good stats also (+15x dex & +8x vit).
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post Jun 4 2012, 03:12 PM

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saw a youtube video that someone posted earlier, this guy says that: "if someone ask a monk to shield up, ask him to get lost as he's talking crap" hahaha.. so this guy was using a Daibo and farming through inferno..
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post Jun 4 2012, 03:17 PM

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No guys i'm sorry. Was typing too fast (:

Its MAIN HAND not OFF-HAND. My bad.

Blame iskatu cause hes been dropping crappy stuff to me.


Added on June 4, 2012, 3:19 pmOh ya, for those duel wielder I suggest you try making it a critical build. You probably deal a lot more damage then your current setup.

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post Jun 4 2012, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Jun 4 2012, 03:09 PM)
What can you comment on a lvl 44+ NM Act 2 build with 12k health, 1.5k armor, 200+ resistant & 1k dps? I am still far from Inferno so basing on my current progress Can I get far?

How u guys get to so high dps? What's the weapon damage u guys had? Now I am just progress into 120dmg per hand (offhand another dagger with 107dmg)
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from my experience, when u starts to feel that u'r not killing off the mobs fast enuf, or that the mobs is sucking ur hp, then its time to change ur gear biggrin.gif i wasted too much money from changing gears every 5 lvl when its not really necessary and of coz not cost efficient.. so save ur money, once u think that u'r not fast enuf, time to change thumbup.gif


Added on June 4, 2012, 3:23 pm
QUOTE(Nels @ Jun 4 2012, 03:17 PM)
No guys i'm sorry. Was typing too fast (:

Its MAIN HAND not OFF-HAND. My bad.

Blame iskatu cause hes been dropping crappy stuff to me.


Added on June 4, 2012, 3:19 pmOh ya, for those duel wielder I suggest you try making it a critical build. You probably deal a lot more damage then your current setup.
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did u all realized that sometimes u'r looking at too much stats in a equipment/item? haha too many tasty stats to look at sometimes making it real hard to get ur desired eq rclxub.gif i want +dex +vit +atk speed +life steal +critical +GF +MF laugh.gif

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post Jun 4 2012, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(icecolddamncold @ Jun 4 2012, 03:21 PM)
from my experience, when u starts to feel that u'r not killing off the mobs fast enuf, or that the mobs is sucking ur hp, then its time to change ur gear biggrin.gif i wasted too much money from changing gears every 5 lvl when its not really necessary and of coz not cost efficient.. so save ur money, once u think that u'r not fast enuf, time to change thumbup.gif


Added on June 4, 2012, 3:23 pm
did u all realized that sometimes u'r looking at too much stats in a equipment/item? haha too many tasty stats to look at sometimes making it real hard to get ur desired eq rclxub.gif  i want +dex +vit +atk speed +life steal +critical +GF +MF laugh.gif
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Totally agree, get those which will last you every 10 lvl rather then changing every 5. lvl 51 will be your jump level damage as most dmg item and eq which is better requires level 51.

So lvl 51 buy gears that will last you till 60, then change once again at 60 ( ultimate weapon ).

For Monk, the demands are low for 1K DPS weapon as its DAMN EXP, where else for DH is like everywhere and much cheaper. :-(

You could dual wielding if your armors and eq is good enough to block everything and help out, im holding shield now as i cant find any good 1h weapons. :-(

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