Give the new Kia Forte K3 some thought first. Its already ungoing road testing in Malaysia. I would expect some new models coming in 2013. if ure not in a hurry, then it would be wise to wait and see whats on offer.

D-segment is only apply to previous Peugeot 407. Now D-segment is Peugeot 508

408 is considered as sedan version of 308, so 408 is still considered as c-segment car

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How come I don't feel the aboves when I test drove the K5 many many times over? 

Yes my shadowy Jap supporter is back! Was wondering how long it'll take before i got a response from you. 

While i do agree that the K5 is in need of some improvements especially in power delivery and handling, but its weird how you seem to always 'thrash' the K5 while real experts (read below) seem more logical in their assessments. Oh well, once a Jap always a Jap i guess. And yea dont worry about the 408 NA review from our 'expert' here. Im expecting blooming accolades from anybody whos set their mind to detest anything Korean. 

http://www.edmunds.com/kia/optima/2012/#fullreview

http://www.insideline.com/kia/optima/2011/...-and-video.html

http://5g.redspy.co.uk/jsp/5gmain2.jsp?mnk...desc=Kia+Optima

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Wow bro,this an astonishing revelation of the K5. From my own evaluation,I know the engine is unrefined and harsh. That completely startled me for this day of modern technology. I am absolutely shocked by the poor throttle response,rubbish handling and body roll which you describe! I did test drive the K5,but I'll take your word on it since you are an owner.  I always believe owners know better than anyone else. Others can only test drive,read and comment! On top of that, we go to  great length to proof to everyone their car is not as good! How childish!No disrespect to you, I have never gone to K5 thread to trash them!  I salute you my fried for your unbiased feedback!

I found the tyre noise rather loud and extremely annoying,but i suppose owners have to spend more money to change better quality tyres.......goosh!

Bro it's admittedly by owners, an underpowered car,so ok la drive slow! I understand the NU engine will be reduced HP! How like this..........some more underpowered!

Better get the 408t la, the NA is good,but after your disappointment with the K5 i think  you want a more exciting car to drive. Believe me for the money,the 408t is fabulous & will not disappoint you. You will enjoy miles and miles superb driving!

Actually Kcng isn't an owner, but got to use the car over a weekend and that was his findings. But once you've driven a turbocharged car, most standard NA variants will feel underwhelming... unless it's a huge 3.0L NA V6 engine or at least those E90 325i inline 6.

At the moment, I think only the Ford Focus can give the P408 a run for its money in its class segment, unless they decide to miraculously bring down the price of the VW Jetta (like that's going to happen )

That's what I was led to believe it will be higher power. However read a recent review that  HP is reduced to achieve 3%  FC improvement. KIA has been very concerned about poor FC. Are the NU engined K5 already in Malaysia?

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Added on January 1, 2013, 9:58 am
This is very true,I don't think I can go back to the NA again! No offense to my NA bros,it's like taking a bite of a forbidden fruit.......hehehe!

I can only imagine how foolish u feel right now after writing all that and then being told that KCNG isnt an owner. Thats why i always say please do research before posting. It can be embarassing u know. So now that he isnt an owner, ru gonna still take his word for it or will your storyline change now? Still gonna salute him for his unbiased feedback? I really couldnt stop laughing. 

And another thing, the Nu engine has got 7Hp and 3Nm more than the previous engine. But i dont expect it to make a huge difference. The K5 is still an underpowered car for its body weight. And yes the Nu engine K5 arrived in Malaysia since Nov 2012.

So much for your sources of information eh? U really make me laugh just like another guy on the Camry thread who has limited knowledge about cars.

Btw, when i talk about any car (including the K5), i highlight both the positives and the negatives cuz no car is perfect and each will have its weaknesses. The K5 is no exception. Check back on my posts in this thread and tell me if ive said anything untrue about the 408. Point it out if you may. Lets see whos right. And ure most welcome to visit the K5 thread and post negative comments. Just ensure that your comments are valid and true. Ull find that the owners there will be saying the same negative things about the K5. No worries at all.

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Added on January 1, 2013, 10:16 am

But its funny that u find bones to pick about tiny things like button feel while completely ignoring the more prominent issues at hand. Funny how i dont see you ever mentioning that the K5 obtained a higher safety rating than even the mighty BMW 5 Series by the NHTSA? Also funny how i dont see you mentioning that the K5 was rated among the top 13 models for the recent overlap safety test while the mighty Camry & Lexus failed miserably? I guess safety isnt important at all compared to button feel eh? I could go on and on. 

But the other funny thing is that if anybody had cared to check my earlier posts (you included), they would have seen that i was among the first to note that the K5 is indeed underpowered. I believe i said this way back in March 2012. Yet till Dec 2012, you still repeat that same stuff as if you made a recent discovery and another fool here jumps on the bandwagon. 

I knew exactly what i was getting into when i got the K5. My 9 test drives told me whatever i needed to know and after 8 months of ownership, nothing has surprised me. My main focus was safety due to my amount of monthly travel and due to this I needed a car with unlimited mileage warranty as well. I wasnt too worried about long term durablity and quality as the 5 year warranty would cover any defects and so far im really impressed with how Naza handles warranty claims. I was completely aware of the difference in after sales standards between Toyota and Kia cuz i already had both makes in my home for more than 7 years. Hence i was prepared for the drop in standards. Again nothing surprising. I also knew that the K5 was underpowered and i couldnt expect the fuel economy i enjoyed with my previous Vios. But again not a matter of concern for me since ive never paid for my own fuel since 2005. But although its in city FC isnt good, i am impressed with its highway FC. Getting more than a 1000km mileage on a full tank is certainly credible. I wanted a decent highway cruiser and the K5 doesnt disappoint. Its mid range acceleration is quite good albeit with the louder engine as you have rightly pointed out. But the 2.0 MPI K5 engine wasnt meant for performance (Kia has the 2.0 Turbo for that). But the heavy body and 18inch tyres give it sufficient road holding and makes taking corners at high speed a breeze although im not happy with the steering feedback. And yes as ive said many times before, i wasnt prepared to blow up more than 150k on a more expensive car although i did give it serious thought. Taking into account the 38K i got for my Vios, i only spent about 103K for the K5. So for what im getting, this price seems very reasonable to me. I guess my priorities are different from most. Again a check on my historical postings will tell you (or anybody else) for that matter what ive been focusing on the past year. And the other consideration i had was, im not intending to keep the K5 beyond a few years. Its more of an interim car for me. It will be passed down to my wife sometime end next year or in 2014. But there are certain 'targets' i need to hit before this happens.

Yes and you can continue commenting as you see fit and i will continue to agree or disagree as i see fit. Our 'partnership' started a while back and it will continue for a long while. Im in for the long haul. No worries there. Sadly your negative feedback isnt causing any losses for Naza Kia in terms of sales but my positive comments while highlighting its limitations, are getting sales for Naza albeit in very small numbers. You would be surprised if u only knew.

Anyway, all the best of the New Year to you. May you continue to make 'new' discoveries about the K5.

Try Googling CVVL and then answer your own post. Ive given you the info but if u insist that ure right, then ure right. U can go on assuming the Nu engine comes with 3Hp less. No problem. Happy researching. 

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Added on January 1, 2013, 11:26 pm

Yes another funny thing is when u run out of things to say, u claim i shift goalposts. And when the facts actually make sense, u claim im comforting myself. 

Like i said earlier, continue making 'new' discoveries bout the K5. And yes u can continue following me on threads trying to pour cold water on the K5. I'll deal with it. No issues at all. A Jap supporter will always feel threatened by the rise of the other makes no matter how much u try and lie about encouraging ppl to buy the Forte. Facts will always remain facts. If its bad then its bad. If its good then your opinion wont matter. Im in for the long haul. See you on many more threads ya. 

Hahahaa sensitive betol orang Pug. 

But I heard Jetta full tank at RM 110.00 can get 600 - 700km. Seems like more fuel saving than 408.

Nice FC, my 408 can only last for around 500km for that driving mixture.

That's good numbers man, I average the same for the same kind of driving