Hmm, 80kmh is no low speed. 80kmh on a SMALL roundabout in a frontwheel driven car, you will probably understeer and end up crashing into barriers. 80kmh in a rear wheel driven car, you will probably be oversteering and drifting around the roundabout and burning rubber in the process. You sure it's 80kmh?

90kmh around a corner is quite insane also. With skinny tires and relatively tall+narrow body on a vios, you have a high chance of ending up in a fatal crash. I dunno how everyone here define a corner but a 90 degree corner is still a corner. If you can go 90kmh on a 90 degree corner I really salute you for having balls of steel

Oh and on a side note, I checked my lancer ex. Apparently, there's no ESC button on it. So I guess there's only EBD

Hmm, what I meant was how many degrees for the corner. Even up till 90 degree its still considered a corner. Same thing applies to roundabout, which is why I was curious how small is a small roundabout (different ppl define differently) ie estimated diameter. For roundabouts as big as the one in Kampung Pandan (my friend calls it small also), 80kmh seems more feasible than say the roundabout in Pudu.

My 508? So far so good. It's going to celebrate its first birthday really soon. Until now its already went into the SC for 3 times to fix the leaking PCV hose. Troublesome but at least they seem to have fixed it for good. Overall, I think NAZA's technical personnel is not really up to notch :-/ I really hope the warranty will be over really soon so I can service it at places that knows peugeot better. Well, at least I can use my own preferred engine oil instead of stucked with their petronas solutions

NSE? I only travel up north once a year during CNY times. Everyday else, I'm only going to my office in cyberjaya. FC seem to have improved, not sure whether its due to the engine already run-in or the petronas I'm using (shell before this). 60L can last me on average 700km.

Another thing worth mentioning is, this car is really not meant for our tropical weather here. Everytime I leave the car under the hot sun for a long time, when I get back to my car and start it up, can here some minor creaks on the piano black inserts on the dashboard as well as the aluminium trim on the aircond vents. But once the cabin is cooled down, no more funny noises.

Yup, been using Shell95 on all my cars. For some reason, the engine feels rougher with petronas, but mileage improved. I dont know whether its just my imagination on the rougher idle. But for now I think I'll stick to petronas. My first tank of fuel is actually esso also. It lasted 600km. Not sure if it'd improve if I use esso again.

Well, I think the 508 is lighter than 408. According to the manual, the 508 is 1415kg in weight. Not sure whether the climate control will help FC, but I always leave it on quad zone mode.

My typical route is from Ampang, go into MRR2 and spend like 30min-1hour on it stucked in jam. Then reach bukit jalil, i'll turn into MEX and drive for 15 mins to cyberjaya. Similar pattern in reverse order when going home.

Btw, my car has a 70L tank. When the low fuel indicator lights up, there's still 10L left in the tank. So that's 60L for 700km.

About higher FC on 408, could be due to gearbox programming. As some owners mention that it only shifts at specific rev point, this could definitely affect the FC. Funny since both cars use the exact same gearbox but displays different characteristics

The yellow thing is for you to remove the chrome wheel nut cover. As for removing the wheel nut, there should be an adapter coz every wheel is secured with 1 security bolt. But the teeth on these bolts are prone to break. So its better to change to ordinary bolt.

Considering the 408T is force inducted, I suppose the RON rating plays a more significant role on its engine compared to its NA counterpart. But then that also depends on how much boost the turbo actually generates, so there might be some truth when they say prince turbo engine works better with RON97.

Well as the turbo builds up more boost at higher speed, naturally the compression will increase as well so you would need higher RON rating fuel for optimal performance in the higher range. The effect isnt really the night and day type of difference, more like one or two tenth's? Since most road users are not F1 drivers chasing tenths of seconds, I'd say most people wont bother/notice the difference. But still the difference is there.

About cost/performance ratio, considering most ppl drive moderately with revs ranging from 2k to 3k, there isnt much real world benefit in daily drives in using RON97 over RON95. Better to save up some bucks, since the difference between 95 and 97 is now RM1.10

There's a forum member in autoworld that did tests on 95 vs 97 on the THP engine quite some time back. If my memory serve me right, the 0-100 figures are the same, but in higher speed acceleration say from 120kmh to 150kmh there is a tenth or two difference, still a difference. But whether the slight/minute difference is worth it or not, is really up to each individual to justify. For me, like I said earlier I'm no F1 driver and that couple tenths is certainly not important to me. So I'd choose to stay with 95 but others might not think so.

Btw, modern engines have the capability to retard its timing to cope with lower octane fuel to prevent knocks. So by running 95, your engine retards its ignition so that your engine remains in the allowed parameter set in the knock sensor. Timing retardation does introduce some form of power loss even though its may not be that pronounce that you can feel it in cases like the THP. For higher compression/boost engine setups, the difference may be more obvious.

I remember he had a chart. Need to dig through the forum though. I'll post it here once I found it. V-power racing price? No idea man, this fuel is so rare but I think I remember seeing it at the Shell station near Subang toll. But if I'm not mistaken, Vpower racing is like +30sens over the normal 97. Err should be RM3.30? Anyone can confirm?

Ok, just found the link. Click here

Difference is quite negligible. Still difference nonetheless.

About the 508, I assume this is from facebook? Can show me the article?

I dont have facebook unfortunately. But I managed to get a snippet of what he wrote, and it's all written in chinese. I dont see anywhere he mention about turbo problem. All I see is electronics problem with this and that circuit board and nasim was unable to pinpoint the problem even with the help of some mat salleh. Can show me which post he said the turbo is the problem?

Sad fact that a lot of people find excuses to bash pugs simply because it's a french marque. Same engine used in mini cooper, and everyone sing praises simply because it's built by BMW ie germans

About malaysians demanding highest spec at lowest price, I dont think this applies. Malaysians are all about badge recognition, ie Toyota and Honda. There are quite a number of different marque which gives higher spec at similar price line, but still people go back to T/H Just take the first batch of Vios J for example with no airbags, no ABS etc etc and it still sells like hotcakes. I'd imagine if Toyota came out with a bicycle with the Toyota and Camry emblem on it, our streets will be flooded with bikes now

Well, toyota is certainly cutting corner here and there. Having owned the previous vios, I have to say it has really solid build-quality and has zero rattle after 6 years on the road. Sound insulation is quite impressive also for a sub 80k car (E-spec). The same cannot be said about the current Vios. A 2009 car and it's already a rattlesnake now, and not to mention you can hear the engine so loudly sometimes you'll wonder if there's any insulation at all.

I also noticed a similar trend in Altis and Camry as well. The previous Altis has some soft touch material on the dash, but the current one is hard cheapo painted plastic. The Camry 2 generations back (the one with unnecessarily huge butt) is probably the best of the bunch. Built quality and sound insulation is top notch. Before I got the 508, I went to a T showroom to have a look at the 2.4V, and while fiddling around with the interior, the cover for the cup holders just snapped. Pfft. Gone are the days when T is associated with quality

The only valid selling point for T now is probably the network of service centers. Resale value will probably be top notch because most local buyers chose to burrow their heads and anything that's not T or H will automatically be dropped off the consideration list. They dont even have to do any marketing because the perception of "quality" is pass down from generation to generation

I believe 3+2 is for early birds like me, even have to top-up to get it. Haha. So unfortunate of me, this is what I get by purchasing their flagship model at launch. Tsk tsk tsk

Like what pogostik said, it's 508. Err, they wanted something around 1300 bucks. But then looking at the competency of nasim's workshops, I didnt pickup this "opportunity". I rather get my car fixed in specialist shops that knows what they're doing instead of randomly pointing at all possible faults.

To be fair, there's quite a lot of citroen, mini cooper s, and peugeots out there suffering from death rattle and prematurely worn out timing chain tensioner.