Looking at the local market, the 408 is definitely selling well thanks to its awesome price. (agree     ) The same can't be said for the Jetta where it is priced in a very D-segment region.

Checking your statements....It's a given that VW is sold more expensive in UK so let's look at Ford. (first it is not right to use UK as representation of the whole europe...for one Germany has a population of 81.8 m compare to France of 65.35m and UK of 62.26m, ok?)

With the exception of the new Fiesta, everything from the Focus to the Mondeo is easily more expensive than what Peugeot is offering. The 308T is to Focus as is the 508 is to the Mondeo.

( is it now? nope not true , see below
Ford Fiesta 1.25  starts from €11.500,- 
Focus 1.4  starts from €15.500,
Focus 1.6  starts from €16.500  
Focus 1.8 starts from €18.000,
Focus 2.0  starts from €20.000,-  

I would actually call it cheaper than   ...
Peugeot 208 1.2 VTi  from €11.600,
Peugeot 308 1.4 VTi  from €15.700, 
Peugeot 308 1.4 VTi  70 (95)   1397   3,5   Premium   €15.700,-
Peugeot 308 1.6 VTi  88 (120)   from €19.450, other variances from €22,250 to €25,850 ,
 
http://bestsellingcarsblog.com/2012/11/20/...back-in-top-10/

The chart itself is self explanatory, the only Peugeot car that sells well in the top 10 category is the model 208 (because selling price of Peugeot 208 1.2 VTi starts from ... only €11.600) and that's actually more expensive than the VW Polo ( :oops:nope VW Polo 1.2 starts from €12.450 and the new Ford Fiesta -Fiesta 1.25 from € 11.500) But the 308T isn't a bad car either, so why isn't it on the top 10 list and yet the more expensive Ford Focus is?

(308t is selling at  308 150 THP  110 (150)   1598   3,5   Premium   €22.250, Ford focus?   Focus 1.6 Ti-VCT  85 (115)   1596   3,5   Premium   €18.750,-   
   Focus 1.8  92 (125)   1796   3,5   Premium   €18.000 , again, which is more expensive?)

Looking at the local market, the 408 is definitely selling well thanks to its awesome price. (agree     ) The same can't be said for the Jetta where it is priced in a very D-segment region. (agree     ) But in Singapore, the pricing of a VW Jetta and the 408 is very close to each other  , almost to the point of negligible, but yet it's the Jetta that's selling well compared to the 408. (I Would not call SGD 151.8k P408 is close to SGD143.8k Jetta , and  SGD 8k difference is neglible, after all it is 5.5% difference )

Surely it has to do with the pricing to some extent but it's not realistic to entirely nail the fault down to pricing.

source: http://www.cars-of-europe.com/

What sales stats are you refering to when you say the 408 is selling well in Malaysia? And which model are you comparing against?

stay in pj and work in seremban or the other way round?

I only use UK as one example. The entire population of Germany is not 2x that of France and neither is UK 2x that of Germany either. But sales of VW is almost double if not double that of Peugeot and both Ford and Renault are also ahead of them. Do you mean to say 81.8m people in Germany vs France and UK made that difference in numbers? Logically do you think it's possible or not?

As for the price of the the Focus, Fiesta etc, I just take the advertised base model prices from the respective UK company website as a basic example. And your source pricing is for how the cars are priced in Germany alone, which isn't very representative either.

We will need to check prices of each variant from country to country to know for sure how far apart the cars are priced. Are you going to? I sure as hell can't be bothered to. If you look at the data source below, the German market alone has about 2,618,327 cars sold to date vs 1,593,855 in France and 1,771,861 in GB and then there is the rest of Europe. But logically, will that difference in numbers be enough to set the car marques apart? How likely is it that this number difference all just bought Ford and VW cars alone?

http://www.jato.com/PressReleases/Decline%...n%20October.pdf

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Added on November 30, 2012, 9:54 am

408 is probably selling much better compared to the VW Jetta as I definitely see more 408 than I see Jetta on the road here. But without the latest market figures, there's no way to tell for sure as the latest numbers we have is from May and the 408 only launched this year May.

But of course, don't compare it against the Japanese/Koreans except for the Civic because most of the other models such as the Altis, Sylphy, Mazda 3, Forte, Elantra has been on sale for awhile now.

I think it's pointless to compare car buying trend between Malaysia and elsewhere. Each have their own buying sentiment/perception/bla..bla..bla. Foer example, hatchbacks are not popular in China no matter how they price it and I've read somwhere that Hyundai have to elongate their Elantra only for China market. And here, Camry will sell well no matter what spec and price they put in. Apart from that, the automotive policy and economic development of each country will play a huge role as well. So, as long as I'm happy with my ride, I don't particularly care what others are buying for their ride. Having said that, with more Pug on the road, it might result to better spare part availability (hopefully cheaper as well) and after sales services.

Since you've mentioned Elantra, they've been selling it even before 408 and with all the hype surrounding this car, I thought it will dominate our road but I could say the amount of 408 and Elantra I've spotted on the road are more or less equal. And I haven't seen the new Ford Focus on the road as of now yet.

Ok , consider this my last statement on this, otherwise we are going out of topic

Firstly let look at the sales no. since Peugeot 208 is launch (source: ww.jato.com ; i.e. the same source ,OK?)

Model/make Jul-12 Aug-12 Sep-12 Oct-12
VW Polo                23,512 16,996 20,571 22,817
Ford Fiesta                21,902 12,980 31,468 26,145
Peugeot 208 17,981 14,721 23,225 23,352

We look at this segment alone, OK?

Although never No 1, P208 has achieved 3 times no. 2 exceeded VW polo for 2 months and Ford Fiesta once .

I wonder when I hope it is launch in M'sia what would the sales no. looks like (but no-one knows all this hypotheticals).....

Stay in Seremban la,can't afford PJ prices.

Here are our Pugs 

L : Pugbunny (Blue)
R : Puggie (Grey)

 
   

I remember he had a chart. Need to dig through the forum though. I'll post it here once I found it. V-power racing price? No idea man, this fuel is so rare but I think I remember seeing it at the Shell station near Subang toll. But if I'm not mistaken, Vpower racing is like +30sens over the normal 97. Err should be RM3.30? Anyone can confirm?

What sales stats are you refering to when you say the 408 is selling well in Malaysia? And which model are you comparing against?

I think it's pointless to compare car buying trend between Malaysia and elsewhere. Each have their own buying sentiment/perception/bla..bla..bla. Foer example, hatchbacks are not popular in China no matter how they price it and I've read somwhere that Hyundai have to elongate their Elantra only for China market. And here, Camry will sell well no matter what spec and price they put in. Apart from that, the automotive policy and economic development of each country will play a huge role as well. So, as long as I'm happy with my ride, I don't particularly care what others are buying for their ride. Having said that, with more Pug on the road, it might result to better spare part availability (hopefully cheaper as well) and after sales services.

Since you've mentioned Elantra, they've been selling it even before 408 and with all the hype surrounding this car, I thought it will dominate our road but I could say the amount of 408 and Elantra I've spotted on the road are more or less equal. And I haven't seen the new Ford Focus on the road as of now yet.

Aiyo, man, My point has always been when the pricing is right, the car can be popular, and when it is over-priced, it is priced out from competition considerably

I hope you can already understand from my previous threads, that the reason why Peugeot is not popular in China/Thailand/Singapore because they are higher priced than VW and Ford

Agree so far? now in Europe , you may argue I got the German Price and u got the UK price. Then let's refer to the below links

http://ec.europa.eu/competition/sectors/mo...11_07_stats.pdf

http://ec.europa.eu/competition/sectors/mo..._main_table.pdf

This source although a bit dated as it refers to prices of 1-1-2011, but as it is a requirement from EU to antimonopy (kind of like Anti Trust in US) , such reports is done and it is very reliable

Now bcoz P208 comes later, let me just use its predecessor P207 as comparison of segment B as opposed to VW polo and Ford Fiesta of the same segment but we have P308, VW golf and Ford Focus (the older version) for segment C comparison.

I will take Germany's/France's & UK's prices as at 1-1-2011 (all in Euro) as they are the biggest top 3 populated countries in Europe and listed them down here:

Segment B:
Make/Model     Germany     France        UK
Ford Fiesta       11,681        11,288        10,754
P207                13,345        14,256        11,442
VW Polo           10,315         9,933         8,738

Segment C:
Make/Model     Germany     France        UK
Ford Focus       15,714        15,468        15,524
P308                16,025        17,266        15,068
VW Golf           14,139        12,942        14,232
Now see how Peugeot used to price it self out? With P208, they have finally price it right, hence selling like hot cakes.
Double and tripple check it, OK?

/www.cbt.com.my/category/columns/sales-data/
Is the best source of car sales by models and makes. Unfortunately for reason unknown, the statistics was not updated since june2012..... It still shows the fact that Peugeot P207 and P308 is selling better than VW and Ford... Again it really has to do with prices. The sales figure covers Korean Kia and Hyundai too. Enjoy reading and draw your own conclusion

cool! another seremban guy i can meet up with on weekends. i hv 2 other pug friends in seremban. one with 207cc and the other a heavily modded 206.

/www.cbt.com.my/category/columns/sales-data/
Is the best source of car sales by models and makes. Unfortunately for reason unknown, the statistics was not updated since june2012..... It still shows the fact that Peugeot P207 and P308 is selling better than VW and Ford... Again it really has to do with prices. The sales figure covers Korean Kia and Hyundai too. Enjoy reading and draw your own conclusion

It's quite meaningless to use 2011 data when it is already 2012 and Peugeot has since adjusted their prices accordingly. I've said it once and I'll say it one last time, if it was just a question of price, their relevant department would simply adjust their car pricing accordingly or hold some sort of campaign etc to better compete against their rivals. If they are unable to do that, then it's their own fault for not being able to produce a product that is cost effective and competitive against their rivals. There are so many other factors that affect purchasing decision, pricing is just one of them.

I actually have a bunch of other data for Europe to support what I have to say but right now its drawing into a long back and forth and it's getting tiring.

There's a good example in our local market, the VW Golf & Golf GTI - definitely much more expensive compared to the 308VTI & 308THP and yet the Golf is pushing more numbers, if it was just a question of price, this should never be the case.

http://www.motortrader.com.my/news/category/market-reports/

Now in Singapore, not all models of Peugeot cars are priced more expensive compared to VW or Ford in Singapore. Focus, Golf, Passat, Mondeo are all more expensive compared to the Peugeot equivalents. There's also 3 trim level of Jetta (2 trim levels are cheaper with the last being more expensive) vs 1 408 trim model. I didn't bother to check elsewhere so I'm inclined to agree with you right now that Peugeots aren't competitively priced in both Thailand and China, but I still don't think that the issue of pricing alone is the sole cause of their sales woes.

We've had a healthy discussion and this is the last post I'll say on this matter.

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Added on December 1, 2012, 8:37 am

I don't like reading the CBT data, it's not very comprehensive compared to the one found in Motortrader or Autoworld. And the CBT data shows that both Polo and Golf have overtaken the sales of the P207 and P308 since May, although I don't think it is by much considering the 2 latter models have been around for a few years.

Bro, this list is so outdated la. U cant possibly use figures from 6 months ago to justify sales now.

We all know why there is no sale figures because of legal issues surrounding the Competition Act. Thats why i asked u where you get your info from. Btw, i dont see Peugeot on that list so how did u come to the conclusion that the 408 is selling well? 

I invite those who own 408 in PCM facebook at https://www.facebook.com/groups/peugeotclubmalaysia/.

408 is launch may11 and the sales data stopped jun12. I did not start saying 408 selling well I am merely nodding to this statement from zweimmk... K bro? My agreement is relatively ...selling well in malaysia compare to Singapore Thailand and china because it is priced right ... Just like 208 in europe

408 is launch may11 and the sales data stopped jun12. I did not start saying 408 selling well I am merely nodding to this statement from zweimmk... K bro? My agreement is relatively ...selling well in malaysia compare to Singapore Thailand and china because it is priced right ... Just like 208 in europe