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simbyak
post Aug 29 2010, 01:17 PM

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just wanted to do an inquiry and get guidance from you!i am trying to write up a proposal for my FYP topic."RFID basedAsset Monitoring"..however i would like to build a reader operating at 13.56Mhz but with a reading range of 1m at the very least,from my research so far i have seen tht most readers at this range have close proximity reading range at tht frequency..I think i would have to build an antenna that would increase the range of my reading circuit..my part is mainly hardware of the project(programming microcontroller for the reader circuit and building it) and my partner will do the software part i.e databse part,,is this possible in your view and would it make a good final year project? project time is 6 months.. months...thanx
simbyak
post Aug 30 2010, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(tgrrr @ Aug 30 2010, 06:19 AM)
Hi,
1. Is your RFID tag passive or active type? Passive meaning no internal power source. Passive usually only works in very short range.
2. I've worked with 27Mhz solutions in the past. 1.5meters is achievable, 3meters is about the limit, BUT this needs antenna design expertise and impedance match fine tuning. Will be very difficult for amateurs. I suggest you find ready made solutions, trying to design your own antenna will probably kill you.
3. Depending on the RF solution you have, you may have to write everything yourself, i.e. the RF MAC layer. That by itself should be enough for undergraduate FYP project.
4. I think your partner job is too easy compared to yours.
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Thnx tgrr,,really appreciate your advice.Well since i am using HF(13.56Mhz),the tag to be read is passive.However,i thinking of buying a reader module for HF and then my job will be to building an anetenna for it that can read to at least 1metre and interfacing the module with a PIC,..is this more feasible?
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post Aug 30 2010, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(tgrrr @ Aug 30 2010, 12:10 PM)
You're saying for e.g. the RF reader module is design to work with 10cm range, and you wanna design your own antenna to make it 1meter?
I should think there's a practical limit to how much gain a passive antenna can get. There IS a formula for RF propagation distance. You SHOULD do the theoretical calculations first to determine how much antenna gain is needed.
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Yes thats basically what I was saying extending the range form 10cm to a region close to within a meter.
From what im reading right now.its a helluva of tough job!I guess im goona have to do loads more of research before i can fully commit myself to this project.If you have any materail you recommend,id be very grateful..
thnx,,really appreciate it bro!
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post Aug 30 2010, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(cute_boboi @ Aug 30 2010, 02:38 PM)
13.56MHz is the standard passive CSC. Touch'nGo is utilising Mi-Fare1 standard, which is same freq. The standard read/write distance is 1-5cm only in read world application. 10cm is in lab/development testing only.

To increase your reading range to 1m, as stated earlier, you need special design of the tag antenna and placement. i.e. distance it from object it stick onto. Also the type and material it sticks on, and whether it can act to re-bound the freq signal.

2nd, the antenna of the tag has to be redesign/bigger, in order to be able to power it up from a distance.

3rd, is to have a more powerful reader, and to narrow down the width of the transmission angle. e.g. from wide 60 degrees maybe down to 20 degrees.

Note also, whether for commercial / prototype, you may need to comply with MCMC standards, I think is 2W if I'm not mistaken. Anything higher, go for type approval testing. Hence, this will limit option #3, the power of the reader.

Hence, frankly, to do 1m reading at 13.56MHz, complying with MCMC and with some 99% read rate and accuracy, I think it is quite impossible to achieve now. If you manage to hit 99.99%, you can market out your product (seriously).
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I see youtr point quite clearly,guess im gonna have to just go with designing an RFID based asset monitoring system with the usual read range of about 10cm,i.e similar to what is used in some college libraries,..for this i guess i can use read onyl tags if i aint mistaken,right?thnx

 

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