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post Sep 29 2009, 04:47 PM

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I believe the really good chargers use a combination of timing, voltage and current monitoring, as well as over voltage and over heat protection.

Since your equipment is not a battery charger, it's most probably designed to suit a particular battery capacity only. E.g. it's timer may be hard-coded to charge a 1550mAh battery. In this case, if you try to charge a larger battery it won't ever be fully charged as it would timeout first.

And some "cheaper" product might get away by using very simple solution with very little or no protection. These would be very dangerous to use on a smaller battery.

BUT, these are all just my views only, I'm certainly no expert in battery and charger design sweat.gif
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post Oct 7 2009, 12:47 PM

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It's my hobby and also part-time.
My main job of firmware programming is also related.
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post Oct 20 2009, 12:25 AM

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Well to be honest, most of the basic electronic stuffs you're selling are more expensive than I can obtain normally.
Why don't you build the RS232 kit and sell it instead?
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post Oct 27 2009, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(Devilhpk @ Oct 27 2009, 11:32 AM)
hi, i'm a mechanical student n doin final year project.
due to the lack of electronic background, my supervisor allow me to ask ppl 2 build or buy the electronic circuit.

my project is an x,y,z axis linear movement pick n place.
i will be using stepper motor n i need a driver to control it.
may i noe izzit jalan pasar got ppl help me build n design circuit board for me?
or other eletronic expert willing to help me?

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Jalan Pasar sell items only, never heard of them provide any design service.
What's your budget and timeline?
A motor driver is kinda vague. We need to know the input and output. What about motor power ratings?
And no mentioned of controlling software, I assume that's outside of this job scope.
I think this is right up Aurora's alley. PM him and see if he's interested.
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post Oct 27 2009, 03:19 PM

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Can't tell without seeing your motor specification if it matches with the 3axis board. I don't want to assume all stepper motor works the same way.

Why would you need PWM?
The 3axis board input signal comes from parallel port. You have the right code/software to output PWM through parallel port?
See here on the basics of driving stepper motors->Stepper motors drivers

5v is just the voltage. The motor draws how much current? You do have a power supply that is sufficient enough to drive all your motors right?
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post Oct 28 2009, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(Devilhpk @ Oct 27 2009, 04:34 PM)
tgrrr:
i will consider mainly unipolar stepper motor since many people say it more easy 2 control. In other hand, i noe bipolar got better holding torque which is important for my z-axis (a bit heavy).

from my research, I need 2 use PWM signal rather that input signal from parallel port becoz i need 2 hold some position like (z-axis) when picking items. If use input signal from parallel port, izzit it only for on n off mechanism? it will slide down, i guesss.
correct me if i'm wrong.

hope 2 heard ur advice again.
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That's what I don't get. PWM is a series of pulse sent at a fixed frequency. What's being changed is the duty cycle of the pulse.
This is what I used to control my servos long time ago.
Stepper motor on the other hand runs on steps. Give it the right signal, it should take one step forward or backward. If you don't change the signal, it should hold still and not move. As long as power is applied, it shouldn't move.

Perhaps what you're talking in regards to PWM is there's another controller board that translate the PWM signal to the necessary driving signals. In this case, it'll will be more complex than the 3axis board, and I think may not be necessary for you.

I think we should get your project outline straight. Since this is your fyp, which area is your actual focus, and which area is allowed by your lecturer to be outsourced? Then we can suggest the best method for you to move forward.

Since I'm in Penang, i can only assist in giving suggestions so if you're looking for more hands-on assistance, Aurora is your best choice. I think based on your budget, you can only do handmade board or simply go for stripboard. If you're really interested in our service, we should discuss further in PMs or personal emails only.
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post Dec 5 2009, 07:22 AM

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QUOTE(free666 @ Dec 4 2009, 09:28 PM)
hey can anybody share some information regarding pickit2 here? thx
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What information do you need? I've been using Pickit2 for the past 1 year.
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post Dec 8 2009, 09:38 AM

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There are 2 or 3 different Pickit2 starter kits, some development kits also comes with Pickit2.
Price for starter kit is upwards of RM200 last I checked.
Starter kits comes with basic hardware (some LEDs, buttons) for basic testing usage.
Development kits are more advanced (LCD, I2C, prototyping area, etc...), and some has specific functions e.g. USB.

Ease of use is a very subjective question though I'd say for most people with engineering background, it's easy to use.
The question is, when you hook it up to a new piece of hardware and nothing works, is the issue with the Pickit2 or the hardware?
If you're concerned or a beginner to electronics/firmware, I'd advise to take a Pickit2 with a suitable hardware. This way you'll always have a stable working hardware to test with.
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post Dec 8 2009, 05:50 PM

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I'd suggest get them from Farnell or RS online.
Most electronic component shops (selling resistors, capacitors, etc...) doesn't carry much (if any) choices.
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post Dec 9 2009, 06:00 PM

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Haha you're right, most electronics books only talk about theories. Almost like they are copied from each others.
The biggest problems are,
1. They are heavily focused on the calculations, as if getting correct values up to several decimal points is worth a lot of marks.
2. They give no consideration at all to the selection of components, as if in real life you can get any size resistors you wanted.
3. They often drop standard parameters/information considered to be general knowledge and not related to the calculations, as if students are already expert in electronics.

I've read one book that does it IMO the "right" way, but I've forgotten the title and author. Borrowed it from my ex-boss. It gives practical examples right from the start completes with components part #, values and alternative choices in case they are not available locally. Also, it gives very practical method of selecting component values, instead of using lots of theories and formulas. Maybe someone knows the title, would love to buy it for past time reading.
Haven't seen any books that comes with electronic components though. Why don't you just find some projects online and follow them?


p.s. I learned 90% of my electronics knowledge AFTER I graduated, so imagine the time wasted in university trying to make sense of all those theories and useless non-practical calculations doh.gif
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post Aug 30 2010, 06:19 AM

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QUOTE(simbyak @ Aug 29 2010, 01:17 PM)
just wanted to do an inquiry and get guidance from you!i am trying to write up a proposal for my FYP topic."RFID basedAsset Monitoring"..however i would like to build a reader operating at 13.56Mhz but with a reading range of 1m at the very least,from my research so far  i have seen tht most readers at this range have close proximity reading range at tht frequency..I think i would have to build an antenna that would increase the range of my reading circuit..my part is mainly hardware of the project(programming microcontroller for the reader circuit and building it) and my partner will do the software part i.e databse part,,is this possible in your view and would it make a good final year project? project time is 6 months.. months...thanx
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Hi,
1. Is your RFID tag passive or active type? Passive meaning no internal power source. Passive usually only works in very short range.
2. I've worked with 27Mhz solutions in the past. 1.5meters is achievable, 3meters is about the limit, BUT this needs antenna design expertise and impedance match fine tuning. Will be very difficult for amateurs. I suggest you find ready made solutions, trying to design your own antenna will probably kill you.
3. Depending on the RF solution you have, you may have to write everything yourself, i.e. the RF MAC layer. That by itself should be enough for undergraduate FYP project.
4. I think your partner job is too easy compared to yours.
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post Aug 30 2010, 12:10 PM

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You're saying for e.g. the RF reader module is design to work with 10cm range, and you wanna design your own antenna to make it 1meter?
I should think there's a practical limit to how much gain a passive antenna can get. There IS a formula for RF propagation distance. You SHOULD do the theoretical calculations first to determine how much antenna gain is needed.
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post Sep 6 2010, 01:55 AM

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QUOTE(mywii @ Sep 2 2010, 03:45 PM)
need help guys....

I am not very technical in this....so here goes---- in a circuit how do I lower the 5V output to a 3V input..I am trying to use the USB from a PC which I was told is 5V, to light up few LEDs....I think the LED is 3V .

I was told to use a resistor to bring down the voltage. Any particular resistor if I were to ask at Jalan Pasar?

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You need to know the current requirement of the LED you're using. That's usually difficult without it's datasheet.
For standard 5mm diode and 5v supply, the usual resistor values used are 220R, 330R or 470R. 1kR is fine too. Higher value is always fine as long as the brightness is enough for your application, and probably let the LED live longer too. Note 3v forward voltage drop is on the high side, usually it's between 1v to 2v.
Or if you want to experiment, get a 1kR trimpot to play with. Just don't short it.
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post Oct 27 2010, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(gvr @ Oct 26 2010, 11:08 PM)
Hi guys, Im new here..juz a quick question
is there any portable 24V power supply?? cos i nid it to drive the motors of my robot...
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Long time no post here.

What do you mean by "portable"? No wires connected to mains (AC)?
That means you need some kind of power sources e.g. batteries.
Gotta know how much voltage and current is needed, battery may not be viable or economical though.
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post Oct 29 2010, 09:58 AM

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Yes 24V batteries exists.
For e.g. lead acid battery used by large trucks and trailers but these are usually too heavy for robots.
For high current draw, you can also opt for lithium polymer or NiMH batteries used for hobbyist RC airplanes and helicopters. You'll need to connect several of these in series to get 24V.
And you'll have to know what's the total power/current your motors required before making your selection.
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post Oct 31 2010, 09:04 AM

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Yes they will work based on your spec.
2.3Ah means they will last for 2.3 hours if drain at 1A continuously.
Note that you shouldn't force lead-acid to run until it's completely drained as the battery lifetime will be shortened. Better recharge after 20-30minutes runtime.
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post Nov 10 2010, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(gvr @ Oct 31 2010, 11:50 PM)
So, my battery will only last for about 45 mins??

Stepper motor 2A + DC motor 0.9A roughly about 3A
And then 138 mins / 3A = roughly 45 mins??

Am I right?
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QUOTE(Dr@gon @ Nov 10 2010, 01:29 AM)
Hey guys, I'm new here.

Can you guys recommend me a nice PIC programmer. I'm a little tight on the budget and I'm working something on a PIC18F4620 (40-pin DIP).

Thank you.  notworthy.gif
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Search for Pickit2 or the newer Pickit3 programmer/debugger. Cost roughly ~MYR200 though I haven't been keeping myself updated. If they cost almost the same now, then Pickit3 is hands down the better choice.
Or if you've got more budget, then ICD3 is the next step. Should be >MYR1k in Malaysia.

There are also plenty of Pickit2 and ICD2 clones, but note that both are based on the older version "2", with limited future support.
My advise is don't get a cheap programmer that doesn't have debugging capability.
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post Nov 11 2010, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(Dr@gon @ Nov 11 2010, 08:41 AM)
Thanks for the reply but I still have a little doubt. When I searched around, some told me the PicKit series is kinda slow (programming speed) because it's ICSP? Can you clarify this?

Ya I was considering those clones, since you recommned PicKit3 I think I will get that one if there is no better option. I'm not looking at anything above RM500.  blush.gif  sweat.gif

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Err.. Pickit series slow in programming?
I've used PicKit2, ICD2 and ICD3. Never feel any difference in the programming speed. Mostly done in 5s.
ICD uses ICSP too, so I doubt the programming speed will differ much.

On the other hand, if you say debugging speed, that might have some basis. Well actually ICD are better in this regard simply because it uses a faster MCU with larger resources internally and uses high speed USB. All PicKit series only offers basic debugging support i.e. single breakpoint. But still depends on MCU, e.g. PIC16 families aren't able to utilize the advantages.

And it's funny most people tend to ask about programmer but care little about the debugging capability.
Programming is easy, but debugging easily takes up >50% of the time.

Clones are usable, just you'll not get much future support, meaning not usable for the latest and fastest MCU offering from Microchip. As I know, PicKit2 already doesn't support the latest PIC16F family whereas PicKit3 does.

If you're new with low hardware experience, consider getting the PicKit packaged with a simple development board.
That way when you're stuck, at least you can always fall back to a known working platform. The cheapest ones with a few leds + buttons just add ~MYR50 ringgit only.
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post Dec 13 2010, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(spacelion @ Dec 11 2010, 02:51 PM)
anybody know where to get Texas Instruments' MSP430 ? do they even have it in Malaysia?
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Get from Farnell or RS lah.
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post May 19 2011, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(DonutZai @ May 8 2011, 02:45 AM)
i've been thinking of using arduino to control it too.
previously thinking that it cant be use for that purpose.
im not an electronic guy but whats the difference between those microcontroller?

btw, if someone were to make more than 1 of the same thing.
is it have to use one of these arduino microcontroller in every system or are there cheaper alternatives?
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Arduino is not a microcontroller, it's a module consisting of a microcontroller, supporting circuitries and additional functionalities. I believe it is using Atmel brand of AVR microcontrollers, though I'm not really keeping up to date on the variations.
Due to the low entry cost, this is good choice for fast prototyping or for hobbyist who aren't interested/likely to make their own boards for whatever reasons.
Since it is using a microcontroller that's available on the market, it is of course possible to get cheaper alternatives by building what you need rather than buying generic options. However a certain amount of volume is needed to make it cost effective not to mention the technical skills required and the likely amount of time expended.
Put it this way, the Motor-Bee you mentioned earlier probably cost in hundreds to thousands of bucks. Getting the arduino and perhaps a programmer/debugger for Arduino probably cost in range of a few hundred buck. The cost of a single AVR microcontroller if it's anything like PIC is likely around 10 to 20 bucks.

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