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post May 5 2012, 11:29 AM, updated 14y ago

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I have been thinking for a couple of months whether I should convert to be a full time PhD student.

Pros of being a full timer
- More time to spend on your PhD research
- More time to write papers as well
- You can get it done faster

Cons
- No income unless you apply for a scholarship

Pros of being a part timer
- Steady income

Cons
- Less time to spend on research
- Distraction
- Work is your main priority
- It will take a longer time to finish the PhD


For me, I think income and time are the deciding factors.

I have an easy job (not stressful), pay is not bad (not that high, not that low), but of course there are still work to do. And work becomes my main responsibility instead of the PhD research. As at now, both of my supervisors find my proposal framework to be acceptable. So, I just need to spend more time writing on the literature review and the methodology at the moment.

I have already decided to resign but I haven't tendered yet. My main aim is to be an academic/researcher and I want to spend more time on my PhD research and to spend more time on writing research papers and to get it publish. If I continue to work, I don't think I have the time to write such papers and the place I'm working doesn't seem to be encouraging research activities. I don't think this is the type of institution that I want to continue working in.

My worry now is that whether I could get the MyBrain scholarship because I'm from the social science field and the chances are lower compared to the science and technology field. The requirement is that you have to resign from your full time job before you are qualified to apply for it.

So, what do you think, guys?

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post May 5 2012, 02:55 PM

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Actually you can still apply the MyBrain scholarship while working:

(h) Pemohon dari kategori kakitangan swasta dan pensyarah IPTS boleh mengikuti pengajian secara sepenuh masa atau separuh masa, tertakluk kepada syarat berikut:

•Kakitangan swasta dan pensyarah IPTS hanya dibenarkan mengikuti pengajian secara separuh masa di IPTA;
•Kakitangan swasta dan pensyarah IPTS boleh menerima penajaan atau pembiayaan tambahan daripada majikan masing-masing, sekiranya ia bukan biasiswa penuh;
•Pensyarah IPTS perlu mengikuti pengajian di IPTA atau IPTS selain daripada IPTS tempat mereka bekerja; dan
•Pensyarah IPTS boleh mengikuti pengajian selain daripada bidang pengajian yang disenaraikan.


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post May 5 2012, 05:40 PM

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My superior (whom is working of course) in private sector applied for MyBrain PhD and got it. So yeah, you can apply for it while you are working.
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post May 5 2012, 05:43 PM

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Yes, I am aware that kakitangan swasta is also eligible for MyBrain but I think I have decided to go fulltime because I want to spend more time on my research. biggrin.gif
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Apply first, secure it, then tender?
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ May 5 2012, 09:06 PM)
Apply first, secure it, then tender?
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Cannot do like that.

They require me to have to a letter to certify that I have resigned from the job. That is one of the requirement.

Pretty sad huh.


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QUOTE(Blofeld @ May 6 2012, 12:08 AM)
Cannot do like that.

They require me to have to a letter to certify that I have resigned from the job. That is one of the requirement.

Pretty sad huh.
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I mean you apply as pekerja swasta + part time first. once it is successful, maybe they allow you to change status to full time. Doesnt work also? hmm.gif
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post May 6 2012, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ May 6 2012, 12:12 AM)
I mean you apply as pekerja swasta + part time first. once it is successful, maybe they allow you to change status to full time. Doesnt work also?  hmm.gif
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Once you get the scholarship, you will be bound to a contract and I'm not sure whether they allow you to change the terms or not because a full time student and a part time student will get different benefits from MyBrain.

Part time student will not receive any monthly allowance whereas full time student will receive it.
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ May 6 2012, 12:16 AM)
Once you get the scholarship, you will be bound to a contract and I'm not sure whether they allow you to change the terms or not because a full time student and a part time student will get different benefits from MyBrain.

Part time student will not receive any monthly allowance whereas full time student will receive it.
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maybe you can try asking them to get a definite answer. doing full time without any stipend or income is not advisable. any other routes like becoming research assistant or something?
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ May 6 2012, 12:18 AM)
maybe you can try asking them to get a definite answer. doing full time without any stipend or income is not advisable. any other routes like becoming research assistant or something?
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Yes, there are those research assistant positions available in the university.

Or I can find part time jobs in other private institutions teaching by the hour. That's my back-up plan.
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post May 6 2012, 03:28 AM

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Does your current job related to your PhD study? If yes, keep it. If no, you can consider to go full time.

I heard the scholarship is easy to get as long as you fullfil all the criteria and submit proper documentation. (told by dekan pusat pemajuan pelajar)
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QUOTE(Mr.Wang @ May 6 2012, 03:28 AM)
Does your current job related to your PhD study? If yes, keep it. If no, you can consider to go full time.

I heard the scholarship is easy to get as long as you fullfil all the criteria and submit proper documentation. (told by dekan pusat pemajuan pelajar)
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None at all.

I will take the risk to resign and apply it later. wink.gif
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post May 7 2012, 02:54 AM

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QUOTE(Blofeld @ May 6 2012, 10:10 AM)
None at all.

I will take the risk to resign and apply it later.  wink.gif
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there's post grad scholarship given by uni as your back up. just in case...
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post May 7 2012, 03:00 AM

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part time la...later u got experience and paper....after dat u can demand for higher salary laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ May 6 2012, 12:20 AM)
Yes, there are those research assistant positions available in the university.

Or I can find part time jobs in other private institutions teaching by the hour. That's my back-up plan.
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I think part time lecturing or tutoring would give you flexibility in terms of hours contributed to work, rather than the fixed time that you do full time. you are half way through your PHD (long way to go or...)?

Anyway, all the best thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(micyuki @ May 7 2012, 12:51 PM)
I think part time lecturing or tutoring would give you flexibility in terms of hours contributed to work, rather than the fixed time that you do full time. you are half way through your PHD (long way to go or...)?

Anyway, all the best  thumbup.gif
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Yes, that's my plan. There's more flexibility in part-time teaching.

I just started, it's my first semester. So, it's a long way to go.

And thanks...


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QUOTE(poad @ May 7 2012, 03:00 AM)
part time la...later u got experience and paper....after dat u can demand for higher salary laugh.gif
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Experience, I believe I have it already. smile.gif

What I need more are publishing papers and presenting papers at conferences.

Somehow, based on my conversations with some academics, publications are more important than experience, unless if you're some Bill Gates or Steve Jobs with 30+ years experience.


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QUOTE(Blofeld @ May 7 2012, 01:22 PM)
Experience, I believe I have it already.  smile.gif

What I need more are publishing papers and presenting papers at conferences.

Somehow, based on my conversations with some academics, publications are more important than experience, unless if you're some Bill Gates or Steve Jobs with 30+ years experience.
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Yes, it is true but i would say it depends on the field as well. My opinion is that publications can indicate how experience a researcher is in his or her field.
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depends on the type of institutions. generally college or private ipt care more towards teaching/practical experience.
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post May 12 2012, 05:28 PM

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Doing phd part-time is not an good idea unless your job is related with your phd research.
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What about full time study and work.

Currently i'm enrolled in Industrial PHD with UTM,maybe can consider the Industrial PHD as I found that comparing with my friends that completed total 5 years of master + phd, they come back and work here and start work at slightly higher than Junior Level Engineer even with PHD (another option will be lecturer) Work experiences will deliver the positions better. But of course you need to built up the academic as this where the people judge your technical expertise(even though academic sometimes not related to what you working for)
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Many people looking at MyBrain as the last resort because of the 3 years government bond - to work in M'sia. Why not give a look at your university scholarship or find a company that willing to sponsor your PhD.

3 years might not be a big deal, but if you get a post-doc offer from oversea, you gonna wave bubyez because of this bond.
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post Jun 21 2012, 11:16 PM

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Im also have plan to further my study in Phd as a part time, because working in industry. Am i capable to finish my Phd as a part time student, with a full time day job??

Can anybody here with similar experience share your experience as a part time Phd student?
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QUOTE(ron4 @ Jun 21 2012, 11:16 PM)
Im also have plan to further my study in Phd as a part time, because working in industry. Am i capable to finish my Phd as a part time student, with a full time day job??

Can anybody here with similar experience share your experience as a part time Phd student?
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I will be resigning soon.

What I find is that I lose out a lot as a part-time student. There are many seminars held in my university and I have missed some of it.

Some of my colleagues are doing it on a part-time basis and I found out the very reason why they are doing it part-time. The reason is because PhD is not a priority to them. They are just doing it for the sake of hoping for a promotion IF they could actually graduate with it. They are very much happier holding on to their positions and career. Not surprisingly, I found out that they are dragging their PhD research for a couple of years already.

For me, I have a deep interest in the research I'm writing, so I'm willing to sacrifice my job to go full-time.


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QUOTE(ShrugsLova @ Jun 14 2012, 12:54 AM)
Many people looking at MyBrain as the last resort because of the 3 years government bond - to work in M'sia. Why not give a look at your university scholarship or find a company that willing to sponsor your PhD.

3 years might not be a big deal, but if you get a post-doc offer from oversea, you gonna wave bubyez because of this bond.
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Thanks for the info. It didn't occur to me that one would most likely has to wave goodbye to any post-doc offers because of the 5-year bond.

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QUOTE(ron4 @ Jun 21 2012, 11:16 PM)
Im also have plan to further my study in Phd as a part time, because working in industry. Am i capable to finish my Phd as a part time student, with a full time day job??

Can anybody here with similar experience share your experience as a part time Phd student?
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same as you. we can apply phdindustry under mybrain. smile.gif
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QUOTE(figure8 @ Jun 27 2012, 01:30 PM)
same as you. we can apply phdindustry under mybrain. smile.gif
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Hi figure8

Are your working environment is based on research?, and which field are u?

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Different field has different set of requirement and commitment towards the PhD studies. You guys should talk to your potential supervisor and see what they say. Some courses-yes you can do it part time basis. Like mine, she wants me to be doing full time in her lab. Also, while in the process of writing my phd proposal, I realized that it is almost impossible for myself to work and to do my phd at the same time. I'm pretty sure i'm gonna go into depression mode if I choose that path. My initial plan was to do both-work and study-till we talked. Oh btw, I'm in the science research field.


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QUOTE(LoveMeNot @ Jul 14 2012, 02:10 PM)
Different field has different  set of requirement and commitment towards the PhD studies. You guys should talk to your potential supervisor and see what they say. Some courses-yes you can do it part time basis. Like mine, she wants me to be doing full time in her lab. Also, while in the process of writing my phd proposal, I realized that it is almost impossible for myself to work and to do my phd at the same time. I'm pretty sure i'm gonna go into depression mode if I choose that path. My initial plan was to do both-work and study-till we talked. Oh btw, I'm in the science research field.
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What about computer science, is it suitable to do as a part time basis especially Phd?


Added on July 15, 2012, 10:56 pm
QUOTE(Blofeld @ May 5 2012, 11:29 AM)
I have been thinking for a couple of months whether I should convert to be a full time PhD student.

Pros of being a full timer
- More time to spend on your PhD research
- More time to write papers as well
- You can get it done faster

Cons
- No income unless you apply for a scholarship

Pros of being a part timer
- Steady income

Cons
- Less time to spend on research
- Distraction
- Work is your main priority
- It will take a longer time to finish the PhD
For me, I think income and time are the deciding factors.

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If im not mistaken what i search on MyBrain for Phd full time u will get allowance RM2,300 every month (Elaun Sara Hidup) + Elaun Bantuan Jurnal + Elaun Tesis and + Yuran pengajian (maximum RM24,000)


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QUOTE(ron4 @ Jul 15 2012, 04:55 PM)
What about computer science, is it suitable to do as a part time basis especially Phd?
I am in computer science and I am planning as full time student.
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the decision to full time/part time should depend on whether you can cope with the course or not. i have friends who completed phd part time and full time.

but, those who did part time said they really struggle. phd demands lots of time, energy and brain. which makes it hard to stay on a job and do phd.

while i was doing masters, we used to have sharing sessions with phd students and 100% of them said do phd full time. it is a lonely journey, so dont put too much of burden on your shoulder, scared might drop dead halfway. biggrin.gif

i would support full time. actually im starting my phd in ukm. just for 2 sems (cos just developing the framework of reasearch) i will be part time, after that full time.

as your problem is finance, there are many things you can do. apply for scholarships, if your supervisor has got research grant you can apply for it, do part time tutoring for degree and master students (for some subjects of master students, you can get about rm120/session), can also try to be Research Assistant for you supervisor....
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QUOTE(ron4 @ Jul 14 2012, 01:13 PM)
Hi figure8

Are your working environment is based on research?, and which field are u?
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no.i work in consult,ancy firm but i involve in construction based project which related to my research proposal.

 

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