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post May 7 2012, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(UpCar @ May 7 2012, 04:19 PM)
too many posts and threads to read through.
can anyone good enough in here summarize the s3 for me ? its advantages and disadvantages or its outstanding features ?
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not really a definitive answer but is based on web reviews and pictures from the launch.



delights:
1) bigger HD quality screen
2) higher built-in memory 64gb
3) bigger battery
4) smarter software

disappointments
1) pentile matrix screen is inferior to rgb screen (s2)
2) fugly design


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QUOTE(farscope @ May 7 2012, 04:46 PM)
my add in
5) supports up to 64GB SDXC (not SDHC)
6) Wolfson audio chip (with possible future Voodoo sound update)
not a delight until testing is done on actual unit
7) better GPS with GLONASS
not a delight until testing is done on actual unit
8) dual-band 128-bit GPU performance
not a delight until testing is done on actual unit
9) Gorrila Glass 2
10) better power management embedded (not sure yet with real life usage, arguable)
not a delight until testing is done on actual unit
11) better processor with new tech
not a delight until testing is done on actual unit
12) better radio chip + voice equalizer for more clarity during calls
not a delight until testing is done on actual unit
13) better camera sensor (but need real life test shots examples to judge it)
not a delight until testing is done on actual unit
14) better Full HD video recording at 17Mbps sampling
15) more sensors than other phones
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QUOTE(benny888 @ May 7 2012, 04:48 PM)
Beauty is always in the eyes of the beholder
Your gf/wife will still be the most beautiful person to you but not necessary to your friends
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but there is a minimum standard of beauty which is based on today's culture.

to me, samseng engineer didn't focus their efforts to produce a beautiful design. instead they concentrated on their software.
not every company can produce great specs and breathtaking design togeter. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(ellimist @ May 7 2012, 04:47 PM)
Yeah, was trying to illustrate shouldn't just compare across platforms, since Sense and TW are very different. Sense gets sluggish for me too with many apps on my previous Incredible S. But yeah, guess there's always NOVA. Still parts of Sense are running in the background right, but guess it's not too bad.

And yeah, like how you feel S2 is the best experience you had thus far, looking forward to S3 topping that up smile.gif
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afaik, htc had improved responsiveness of sense with the new h1x. what is amazing abt sense is its functionality.
touchwiz simply cannot compare.

anyway, s3 has its own advantages which may appeal to some ppl here.

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QUOTE(farscope @ May 7 2012, 04:57 PM)
by addressing Samsung as samseng, i can click the report button anytime.

if u wished to have a healthy debate, refrain from low-mental attacks. otherwise, i will just treat u as a troll no matter how hard u claim that this is a forum, freedom of speech or whatever crap reason u gave.
i read it somewhere, even thou using the same Mali-400, the number of cores is bumped up to 4 cores instead of 2 cores in SGS2. probably that explains y.
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relax...relax...

dun get too upset and stay focused on the discussion. when ppl refer to apple, it can say 'fruit'. no issues right?
i'm just using samseng as a term of endearment. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(kyu85 @ May 7 2012, 05:02 PM)
buy from my fren... tongue.gif
i heard that the RPP for S3 is RM2699 should b 16gb, will b in m'sia by end of this month...
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dun think sme dares to price it above apple's iphone. 2699 shld be for their 64gb model.

i'm guessing

2099
2399
2699

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QUOTE(farscope @ May 7 2012, 05:06 PM)
first, i'm not upset. i respect u as a human being, hence i replied to your post in a mannered way while other ppl just treat u as a troll and ignores u.

as far as i'm concern, u didn't bring up much discussion at all.

i hope you can differentiate Samsung and samseng, while samseng is actually referring to sth bad, fruit on the other hand is not sth bad. Unless i called "Apple" as "CrApple", then it is a different story.

Mind you, don't try to twist words to be funny.
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hmm, sorry. notworthy.gif
didn't mean it to be somethg bad.

but i'm quite surprise that this is coming from u. when u state 'gangster paradise' in ur avatar.
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QUOTE(UpCar @ May 7 2012, 05:24 PM)
16gb already is overkill for me. if got like last time my old i900 8gb also cukup liao. i dun store alot of stuff. everything now all online can do, cloudstroage la drop box la box la imgur flickr utube facebook la, gmail la.

alot of my stuff all i put online as 2nd backup so can recall. mostly is my ppt slides i make myself for ppl's annual dinner presentation. can download and use cukup liao.
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Well some ppl are using it to store songs and movies. With the bad Internet speeds in Malaysia, it's quite a hassle to use cloud storage. Although its the way of the future.
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QUOTE(spoon2272 @ May 7 2012, 05:29 PM)
Dammit i'm so desperate to hold this phone!!Dunno which to choose  SGS3 or One X!!! vmad.gif  vmad.gif
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For superior design, much better screen and the very useful HTC Sense. Choose H1X.

For tons of custom ROM, choose s3.



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QUOTE(Kevin_Low @ May 7 2012, 09:36 PM)
haha, well coming soon : ) 2012 Q2.
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now this is what the s3 should look like. even apple will feel threat a bit.
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QUOTE(MPIK @ May 7 2012, 09:45 PM)
U never know if iphone5 comes out with this screen, then straight away all the phones in this world can sau pei liao.
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this is what makes the smartphone industry so interesting. the technology advances are very fast.

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QUOTE(MPIK @ May 7 2012, 09:48 PM)
This is just rumours la.

Rumours also say S3 made with ceramic, liquid metal, 7.0mm slim, non-Pentile display bla bla bla...

But now? a total dissapointment..

U never know, so let's the guessing game continue.
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yup, can remember last time there were so many rumors abt 2 iphone models.
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let's stop here.
it's forbidden to talk abt other phones here, especially iPhone.
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short version:

1. Amoled shows punchy, vibrant but un-naturall colour. Plus point.
2. Amoled cannot get to 300ppi (ie. iPhone Retina screen's region). Hence S3 211ppi resolution.
3. Pentile arrangement of amoled results in 1 less colour per pixel (RED-GREEN-BLUE, so either RG or GB or RB).

Key point above:
With all the limitations of amoled, the last resort by Samsung is increase the screen size, sacrifice on PPI to gain brightness. This is good because consumer likes big screen phone.

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1.前言

首先申明,這篇文章純綷是做AMOLED的技術討論,因為AMOLED面板目前幾乎都是由三星寡佔,所以發在三星版,要亂版的大大可以先出去了,謝謝。


說到AMOLED這個技術首先帶到量產手機上的,很難令人想像,其實是國內廠商BenQ,此面板是由友達生產的,但那時螢幕的壽命太短,烙印問題無法解決,良率過低,最後很可惜的放棄繼續研發下去。沒想到多年之後,這項技術被三星發揚光大,並進化為Super AMOLED,它的大視角、超高對比,還有極鮮艷的色飽合度馬上造成市場上極大的迴響,由於市場上目前僅有三星可量產Super AMOLED,佔90%市佔率,所以三星在自家的旗艦手機上使用,幾乎成了獨家,目前三星Galaxy S系列的大熱買,AMOLED可以說是主要的功臣之一。


但自2010年以來iPhone 4發表會上所帶來另人震憾的視網膜螢幕以來,300ppi超高相素密度令其它競爭廠商難以望其項背,直至近半年來才追上蘋果的腳步,雖然說300ppi這個由蘋果所大為宣揚的人眼極限值已經深植人心,但確已成為一個既成事實的標準,就我的觀察,接近300ppi(pixel per inch:每英吋所含相素點數),仍然可見相素點,但不可否認,iPhone 4的視網膜螢幕的超高解析度,字體有如印刷刊物,圖象更精美,令人愛不釋手。當我第一眼看到IP4視網膜螢幕的感動,至今我仍然印相深刻。

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原本由AMOLED引領風騷,加上AMOLED良率的提昇,三星也將AMOLED釋出給更多廠商使用(如Nokia、HTC、Motorola等),但在後續SLCD進化,再加上Retina Display視網膜螢幕以來,AMOLED及SLCD已變成分庭抗禮的狀況。但5/3 Galaxy S3發表以來,我卻看到了AMOLED隱憂,三星開始在掙扎,AMOLED的進化現在出現瓶頸。

2.AMOLED PenTile排列的原由

大家知道為什麼三星最早使用在Galaxy S及HTC Desire上的AMOLED螢幕,為什麼是PenTile排列嗎? 一直以來討論版上都說是因為良率問題,但我不那麼認為,那是什麼問題呢? 賣個關子,首先我們先來看看幾家廠商這三年來旗艦手機的相素密度:
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上表是三星及HTC和Sony(SE)這三年的旗艦機屏幕大小及解析度列表,值的注意的是,由於AMOLED 有PenTile排列的狀況,每相素都只有GB、GR兩色,真實解析度只有原本規格的2/3,所以多了一項在最右邊還原回真實解析度的數值。

再來看看Sony及HTC旗艦手機這三年來的相素密度折線圖,我們可以看到不僅是面板吋數愈做愈大,而且解析度及相素密度也愈做愈高,至到今年初終於突破了300ppi大關,也就是說IP4這個視網膜螢幕領先了快要兩年,到今年才被追上。

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如上兩張圖,可以看到趨勢線是向上的,也就是一直在進步,再來看看三星,到了SⅡ達到217ppi之後,前幾天才剛發表的SⅢ反而又降到了204ppi,下圖是三星相素密度折線圖,很明顯似乎在原地踏步,離300ppi也還是有段距離....

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看到這圖第一個反應是,對,SⅡ是RGB直實排列,所以相素密度最高,這兩天發表的SⅢ是Pentile排列,所以又下降了,但是Galaxy Nexus是Pentile排列但ppi值可是達到211喔,由上我們可以知道,使用P排而不是直排不是良率問題,PenTile不是原罪,而是AMOLED根本的設計問題,原因是AMOLED的相素根本就做不小!!

3.AMOLED的原罪

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很多人看這張圖都是比較Pentile排列和真實RGB比起來,1 pixel少人家一色,但我看的不是這個,請比較一下最右邊One X和其它的有什麼不同,您不覺得AMOLED黑邊的面積多SLCD很多嗎? 黑邊的專業術語叫做Black Matrix(黑色矩陣),簡稱BM,是用來遮光,以區隔兩子畫素間發的光,以免互相干擾,由於AMOLED是自發光,可能是這個原因BM區必須要做的很大,您可以看到直排的AMOLED一樣比One X的發光面積要少的很多。大家都說AMOLED亮度比LCD要大,這是由於AMOLED自發光的關係,但是發展到現在高解析度的當下,AMOLED BM區不能做小,犧牲的只有發光的Pixel區,這就是為什麼Nexus Galaxy ppi值雖然達到了211,但卻被人說是三星拿次級品給google,亮度不足,事實上不是如此,是高解析度下的亮度犧牲。做成PenTile排列不是良率問題,是這樣可以將子畫素變少,加大發光面積。

4.不能說的祕密,Galaxy SⅢ使用4.8吋屏幕的真實原因

現今大家的旗艦手機幾乎都是720p的高解析度,三星的年度旗艦手機能少於這個值嗎? 但連P排的4.65吋Nexus Galaxy都被說亮度不足了,我還能用RGB排列嗎? 豈不自尋死路? 所以最後一招,加大屏幕尺寸,犧牲ppi值換取屏幕亮度。另外尺寸比對手大,畫面大消費者更喜歡,一舉數得,何樂而不為呢?

事實上不論原因為何,AMOLED最大的問題在於無法將畫素做"小",要高解析度的話螢幕的尺寸只能用長大來對應,但要高畫質卻要有高相素密度,也就是ppi值要高,AMOLED以目前的技術卻沒辦法做到,所以說在高畫質上LCD仍然無法被AMOLED取代,當然LCD在畫素密度變大也會有亮度衰減的問題,但看來AMOLED的問題仍然比LCD來的棘手。

5.AMOLED與SLCD陣營目前的比較及展望

下表是目前已發售或是即將發售各主要廠商手機的ppi比較表

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(抱歉上圖左下角的機型是SⅢ,圖片沒秀出來)

可以看出若以ppi值來比較,AMOLED幾乎毫無競爭力可言,就算還原了AMOLED的規格密度(綠色線),還是幾乎都落在300ppi以下,連華為都可以輕鬆贏過,AMOLED除了色飽合度、高對比之外,我實在看不出還有哪項AMOLED贏了SLCD,更別提AMOLED烙印還有螢幕壽命的問題。

6.接下來的年底大戰,三星NoteⅡ的5吋以上1080p戰爭,三星還能死守AMOLED的基本教義嗎??

看這篇文章,很明顯年底各家廠商對針對Note 5.3吋產品而來,而且是使用1080解析度的螢幕

下圖是使用Super AMOLED Plus(RGB直排)的產品,看的出來由於相素無法做"小"的原故,產品數量不多,其中Tab 7.7還是利用了屏幕長"大"來完成了高解析度。

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看得出來AMOLED的ppi值極限就是220左右,要NoteⅡ使用1080p解析度AMOLED幾乎成了不可能的任務,就算三星想要弄到6吋P排還是達到了245ppi。雖然到了5吋級以上產品使用1080p早就達到了人眼不可分辨的440ppi,但是5吋以上720p肉眼看會有顆粒(小於300ppi),必須提升解析度,制式規格就是1080p,且消費者會希望硬體原生支援1080p。

另外若將Note當做假想敵,5.5吋會是個適合的產品,此產品使用1080p的ppi值大約是400ppi,以LCD的製程來說應該還是可以到達,但AMOLED幾乎很難。若對手都出來1080p,三星還能死守AMOLED嗎? 還是三星可以做到260ppi以上AMOLED呢??(P排)

如同半導體製程微縮的技術,LCD近年來從150ppi已突飛猛進來到超過340ppi了,雖然再上去已沒有多大意義,但是可說已達到完美的解析度,反觀以色彩鮮艷的AMOLED,近年來只能游走在150ppi至220ppi之間,Pentile排列在文字顯示上依舊存在惱人的鋸齒邊緣,圖相顯示也無法達到IP4S如印刷般的精美,空有過飽合的色彩是無法滿足現在高端消費者的需求了。還是三星會有什麼奇招呢?讓我們拭目以待。


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QUOTE(garytey @ May 7 2012, 10:10 PM)
nice post, kuli rclxms.gif

but there is another version explained the fanboys accused, can you please also .. summary??

http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=568&t=2724872

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QUOTE(Kevin_Low @ May 7 2012, 10:15 PM)
Kuli can you give me the link the you posted just now? I can read chinese but I would to have to see the picture as well.
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here u go.

http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=...2&last=35675200
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QUOTE(ellimist @ May 7 2012, 10:27 PM)
Hawkeye ma laugh.gif

Well I guess some people are more sensitive to such things. An example which comes to mind to me are earphones/headphones. Some ppl give them any earphone oso say sound the same. Latest Stax headphone is USD5,200, and some websites will tell you it's a good buy wink.gif

But mostly, I think it's just knowledge. In real life, might not notice, but as a head knowledge, paying for a product, you don't want to have the knowledge that the screen is actually sub-par
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once u get used to super amoled+ , its quite irritating to look at lesser screens.
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QUOTE(SteadyPana @ May 7 2012, 10:40 PM)
Phone not selling yet but already in V2 !!  rclxms.gif
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good effort but still cannot compare to n8 which reach double figures b4 the actual phone was released.
that was epic!

but it just meant nokia launched it too long after announcement. hopefully it will only reach v3 before the s3 is launched. cool2.gif
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QUOTE(firstknight @ May 7 2012, 10:43 PM)
i think... minute difference wont make much to the naked eye... lol... as long its bright and vibrant should be ok... the plus i think lil diff to me...
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on the contrary, if u work a lot with photos, somehow the hd amoled feels and looks much lacking in image quality compared to the retina and also super amoled+.

but if text black&white, no difference indeed. ohmy.gif


Added on May 7, 2012, 10:48 pm
QUOTE(Kevin_Low @ May 7 2012, 10:44 PM)
Lol, haha, don't know why he/she wasted a lot of time to explain all of this, should just say ppi is depend on distant. However, really appreciate what he/she has done.
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ppl do proper research and study before coming out with conclusion of simply hantam.
then nobody can challenge him easily.
this is how it shld been done.

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QUOTE(wayfeel @ May 7 2012, 11:02 PM)
beg to differ. s2 material may look cheap but check any review they wud approve the s2 is tough and can withstand pretty much roughness than it appears to be.

i wud probably say s2 chassis is stronger n more durable than s3. but i sure finger cross that the s3 has a equally good chassis albeit being in a different way.

im not sure about htc software support but , the samsung unofficial updates update like hamsters multiplying babies...and custom roms like club mushrooming in kl or kk area...

i bet no official update can match that. therefore, my different opinion.
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we've not doubted the durability of the s2 casing. but it FEELS cheap plastic.
not a premium feel for a premium price.

the only reason why 3rd party developers love samsung is bcos
a) the original software (tw) sucks, needs tons of improvement, which i feel samseng does it deliberately.
b) hardware (chips/ram/graphics proc) is good.
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QUOTE(wayfeel @ May 7 2012, 11:08 PM)
+5 ABsolutely agree !  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif

featherweight is significant to me as if the phone is part of you already. not that, im weak to carry a phone...but u know what, i wear the office shirt short/long sleeve, the front pocket if u put a heavy phone, it will bulge down like super sagging breast...no matter if u r mr universe, it is very daunting. but the s2 is just very acceptable

beside, whatever material u make of it, stil use casing, so what , sometime hard to figure what phone model cept for iphone4? is cuz ppl wrap their phone like christmas present. sleek design lik the HOX kah not, also obscured due to casing/condomed/flip casing...thats my observation n comment of all these while...
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casing is like clothes.
to a guy with fat and bulging tummy, even the finest tailor cannot make him look good.
but can only IMPROVE the looks.

anyway, its a moot point to discuss casings. it will become open ended.

let's stick to talking abt the original design;

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