I know what you mean, the layout and the tactile feel of the HHKB is just so great!

But I need to refill my saving a bit if possible, the 10th anniversary topre just blown a big hole in my saving account.

I hope that I will get used to the silent version in the future and feel better of it in time.

Let me know if you had a deal, I will ask him to pay me introduction fee
jkjk.

I think I wil try this, use them for a few day each, then really find out which one really suit me best and then decide which one to sell.

There is higher chance that I will be selling my HHKB, since I have a red switch Leopold, which has similar touch to the silent realforce,
I always have problem switching between switches that is very different...

Epiguru, you were temped by HHKB too right?
if you are still interested by the time I decided to sell it, I will give you a special price
and btw I don't think the HHKB value can go any much lower, since its 6 years old.

This post has been edited by kaysa: Jun 26 2012, 12:09 AM

I owe Epiguru some favor before, thus special price.

Similar to Topre...
zzz I m saying this myself now,
and not long ago I m calling people ignorant for saying that topre are similar to a membrane keyboars...

Truth to be told, there is similarity, as I say, you need to try them yourself to be sure of all the touches
of different switches, but the durability and built quality, you need proof from old user of the product to
testify them.

Most ppl will run away when saw the 6years old huh?
and its black blank, no letters on the black keys,
but I have changed a set of white+gray keys on it.

just for your reference, not really decided to sell which yet.

LoL, you fell in love in alot of different stuffs in first sight huh?
do some research first man!

You almost got the HHKB from me before knowing the age of items,
You know how old is that Wild Cat?

2KRO? really? like Blackwidow?

the plus side for the one I own is that its black body,
normally the black one have black inks, or black blank, which hard to see, or no legend at all.

only the whites one with print can be seen clear and easily,
but I saw a Youtube video, the white body, which is ABS are turning yellowish,
while the PBT keycaps stay fresh white......

so the one I have is ABS black body + the white PBT keycaps,
no worry about the yellowing problem of the ABS body,
nor the yellowing of the PBT keycaps!

Since I m not selling it openly yet,
The price I will pm to you.

PMed.

We don't know to appreciate the old things when they are new, like alot of ppl around me,
I own a IBM model M or model F more than 10 years ago,
by that time the window comes out, everyone getting rid of those keyboards without "Window" key,
so we got ourself a microsoft naural keyboard and get rid of the IMB keyboard.

......lol when sumtin more superior come out, you will try to buy the more superior thing,
and that is sure more expensive than the Topre at that time la

There is no point to go after the "best" thing, just find one that suit you best.


Like....... if Angelina Jolie wan to marry you, you want?
just find a wife that suit you.

Are you interested in getting a set of printed keycaps?
I have a set of 87 keys PBT for Filco,
I wonder the spacebar will fit or not thou...

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Added on June 26, 2012, 11:17 pmWhat's your budget now?

...... I strongly suggest that you try the keyboard before you buy, but there is not many people own a Topre,
even less that are willing to let you try. Especially if you are not buying from them...

I m one of those people that will not allow people to touch my Topre(s) if they are not interested in buying from me.

This post has been edited by kaysa: Jun 26 2012, 11:17 PM

did I not told you about buying from taobao with agent?
I got quite some things from there, more than 10 times if I m not wrong.
most of them went smooth after you paid the full amount to the agent.

only once that doesn't went right all the way...

I contacted the seller myself, since i can speak and type Chinese,
so I ask the seller about the keycaps, does it fit on to Leopold,
I specifically mention that the Leopold's spacebar is different he say can.
so I ask the agent to palce the order and she does, after the payment, every thing went smooth,
the keycaps arrived soon, but when I pop open the box and take out the keycaps, I found that the spacebar couldn't fit.
so I ask the agent to ask for refund, the agent contacted the seller. the seller agreed to refund, but I need to pay the shipment from
Malaysia to the base of the agent in China....

so I think I will just keep the keycaps.... and ask my agent to give bad review to the seller in Taobao,

But the agent say the seller agree to accept the return, its my own decision not to return it, so she cannot leave bad review,
she say did that once before, and got a warning from the admins.

so there is some risks, I would say. if the seller is not a pro of the item they are selling,
they will misled the agent and endup selling the wrong thing.

But if you get from the pro-seller, then things will be fine.
like when I deal with spanthor, I bargain with him, and ask him to take out some of the keys from the package,
104 keys which I only need the 87 keys, he did as I said and took out the keys and give me discount.
after I bargain with him, I ask the agent to contact him, he give the correct item to the agent and correct price too.

I'll say the agent all will do their best to protect the intrest of our side,
so long as not risking their own reputation in taobao...

My first mecha keyboard is 2nd hand one, SS7G,
My thought about this is that since its the first one, I don't want to sepnd too much on it,
and only way to spend less on them, is a 2nd hand one.....
I sold it out recently, almost at the price I brought it.

The 2nd one is a new Filco yellow blue switch,
it's sold before the SS7G. But when I sell it I lose more than RM100.
since the price drop suddenly after I buy it

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At first I was aiming for 3 element:
new! cheap! good!

but I figured out the rule of the world!

new and good, wont be cheap,
good and cheap, wont be new,
cheap and new, wont be good.

Think about it.

And for your information: I don't think there is any way you can get a HHKB for less than 1k into Malaysia, especially new one.
unless you have a friend who live in Japan, and he/she is coming to Malaysia
or you yourself are travelling to Japan and grab it on your way.

piece of advice,
If you decide to get one only, then get a new one, you do not have to sell it, and do not attempt to try others.
If you want to try different one and compare them before you decide one that you will be keeping,
then get cheap old one instead of new one, you can sell them again later, almost at the price you are buying.

That's my experience, I paid a lot of money to get the conclusions.

This post has been edited by kaysa: Jun 27 2012, 12:14 AM

RM800 with shipment? How long was that ago?
I think by that time I haven't even heard the term Mechanical Keyboard
I started to come in contact with Mech KB not more than 1 years ago.

Huh what slider? the one I m using is fine I think.... RO-59? what's that?

the one I own is a variable weight forfce one.
But when I type, I cant really feel the different of it.

Now actually I m typing faster on the 10th anniversary even faster than the HHKB's previous few months record.
but that's still very slow, compare to other users here I think.

mind telling what epiguru are offereing you?

the one his student gave him?

Epiguru: you sell your gift?

So you decided to get a 2nd hand one after all...
2nd hand is good if you are not sure which one to get yet.
use it, and if you feel you want to change,
you can almost sell it the price you get it.
if you can use the keyboard carefully and protect the keyboard well.

IMO white is good, black is hard to see the lettering...
share your thought after you get it

Right,
let me know when you get more, and if you want to sell them,
I might wan to pick up one from you, hoping to get a "fanstatic deal" too.

Cyclone got new normal one, but not the 10th anniversary one,
that's what he told me, you can ask him.

I really recommend you to get from Epiguru,
Epiguru have it right now, for Cyclone he need to order from Japan, usually take some time.
the white one are better than then black one for clear view.

@Epiguru, if you really come across another one and thinking of selling it, let me know.

Kinda out of the blue, I decide to change the keycaps to Orange today.







The Topre switch's Plunger are in Purple color......
wonder how other Topre look like.....
plunger for my HHKB Pro2 is Black.

with the orange keys on, it doesn't look like a 10th anniversary edition anymore

I m still not very satisfied with the Ctrl and CapsLock key arrangement...

I m quite used to the HHKB layout for the Ctrl key, so I switch the CapsLock to the left bottom corner,
and the Ctrl to the left side of the middle row....
but the key they provided is not a CapsLock in Ctrl Size, But just a Ctrl with a LED hole on the key......
and the Ctrl on the lefet side of middle row, that is not a Ctrl in CapsLock size..... but just a CapsLock with no LED hole....
..... What are they thinking.

I can change the CapsLock to the Ctrl key position,
so the Ctrl with the LED is now CapsLock.....
and the CapsLock with no LED is the Ctrl now.

..... that's what I m saying. they provided in the package with 2 Ctrl(s) with no hole, in the ctrl size.
and a Ctrl with LED hole, in Ctrl size,
and 1 CapsLock with LED hole, and 1 CapsLock without LED Hole.......

they should have a Ctrl in CapsLock size without hole,
and 2 Ctrl(s) without LED hole.
and a CapsLock in Ctrl size with a LED hole.

not sure what to make of this.....

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Added on June 28, 2012, 12:02 amthat's the problem, the Ctrl should be Lettered as CapsLock

This post has been edited by kaysa: Jun 28 2012, 12:02 AM

yellow is different from orange!
and the LED is in the keys,
the LED in Filco is on below the Printscreen Pause ScrollLock cluster.
The LED light is red for this one, and the LED for Filco is Yellow.
Filco TKL doesn't have the NumLcok.

And the biggest different is that there is a REALFORCE logo at top left