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TSahsoh
post Apr 22 2012, 09:43 AM, updated 14y ago

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Just wondering if I 'm just qualified for 1 loan, can I book 3 units of condo (similar price) and apply loan separately with 3 different banks then wait til 3 loan also approved only sign loan/s&p agreement? In this way I can buy 3 units instead of one. Anybody try this before? brows.gif

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post Apr 22 2012, 10:03 AM

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U want buy royal regent 3 units?
Check ur letter of offer. Later got clause they recall
I wanted to try as well
But chicken out

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post Apr 22 2012, 10:15 AM

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Nolar, definitely not royal regent cos developer still have too many units unsold. Tot of that doing that 2 years ago when I bought a condo for investment. Chicken out like you as well. Haha... Just wondering if anyone did that before and is it working?
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post Apr 22 2012, 10:31 AM


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QUOTE(ahsoh @ Apr 22 2012, 09:43 AM)
Just wondering if I 'm just qualified for 1 loan, can I book 3 units of condo (similar price) and apply loan separately with 3 different banks then wait til 3 loan also approved only sign loan/s&p agreement? In this way I can buy 3 units instead of one. Anybody try this before?  brows.gif
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plenty of ppl did this b4.
as long as you can pay on time... nobody will kacau you..
but only 1 time...

the next time you buy again, all 3 will shown in ccris.
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post Apr 22 2012, 10:50 AM

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Paying on time is irrelevant
We just need the loan
U try before?
This year I heard a lot bank put clause
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post Apr 22 2012, 11:08 AM

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I thought loan is according to the address of the 1 unit?

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post Apr 22 2012, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(ahsoh @ Apr 22 2012, 09:43 AM)
Just wondering if I 'm just qualified for 1 loan, can I book 3 units of condo (similar price) and apply loan separately with 3 different banks then wait til 3 loan also approved only sign loan/s&p agreement? In this way I can buy 3 units instead of one. Anybody try this before?  brows.gif
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The reason why bank negara wants to restrict loan margin is because they felt that too many people are over commiting themselves to the property market. Perhaps take it a sign that you do need to curb your purchases?
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post Apr 22 2012, 01:01 PM

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I've friend done it before, with 2 not 3 (greedy laugh.gif ).. About 3 years already, so far so good.

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QUOTE(Sikit2JadiBukit @ Apr 22 2012, 12:51 PM)
bro,
The LO always have a clause to recall loan, it is not something new. Certainly there is high chance that you can get all 3 unit loan approved if you're qualified for 1 unit. However if the bank found out that you buy 3 units during (or not during) BNM audit, they can recall your loan before or even after disbursement, which may end up in you have to force sell the prop.

Of coz banks aren't so bad to just recall, they could re-evaluate your repayment capability with proven income doc. However if the result is negative then you'll be in deep trouble. fyi BNM have enhanced CCRIS submission last year & is now in phase 2. Will start phase 3 end of 2012, we'll have no where to hide.
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High likelihood they wouldn't recall it as long as you're paying them promptly; But, still, they've such right to recall it, you need to prepare the consequence.
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post Apr 22 2012, 01:04 PM

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The same senario was painted to me by 1 banker before. Don't take the risk.


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post Apr 22 2012, 02:44 PM


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QUOTE(CSS @ Apr 22 2012, 11:08 AM)
I thought loan is according to the address of the 1 unit?
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when bank check ccris, they can only see amount of loan submitted..
for example, if you buy 3 unit with same price.. all loan 100k.. submit to mbb, pbb, and cimb..

when pbb checked ccris, found you have 2 loan approved with 100k... you can tell them it's for same property (effectively, you lie to them)
same with other 2 banks..


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QUOTE(Sikit2JadiBukit @ Apr 22 2012, 12:51 PM)
bro,
The LO always have a clause to recall loan, it is not something new. Certainly there is high chance that you can get all 3 unit loan approved if you're qualified for 1 unit. However if the bank found out that you buy 3 units during (or not during) BNM audit, they can recall your loan before or even after disbursement, which may end up in you have to force sell the prop.

Of coz banks aren't so bad to just recall, they could re-evaluate your repayment capability with proven income doc. However if the result is negative then you'll be in deep trouble. fyi BNM have enhanced CCRIS submission last year & is now in phase 2. Will start phase 3 end of 2012, we'll have no where to hide.
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yup, i did before.
but, make sure you have cash just in case bank withdraw the loan... should be fine as long as you pay on time..

if you are on dibs.. plan to flip upon completion.. good luck.

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post Apr 22 2012, 03:44 PM

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So bottom line have spare cash ready in case anything happens
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post Apr 22 2012, 05:01 PM

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If one has enough cash to settle a few loans, usually he/she doesnt have to do this kind of trick, just straight away apply 3 loan saja.
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post Apr 22 2012, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(ahsoh @ Apr 22 2012, 05:01 PM)
If one has enough cash to settle a few loans, usually he/she doesnt have to do this kind of trick, just straight away apply 3 loan saja.
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Then better skip this idea loh..


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post Apr 22 2012, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(1282009 @ Apr 22 2012, 09:43 PM)
Then better skip this idea loh..
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Strongly agree to skip this idea.

3 scenarios to be happen. ( say each condo RM 500k )
Apply 3 banks for RM 450k each and accept all the banks for 3 different units

1) Loan executed and money disbursed. Nothing happen.

2) One of the bank catch you ( checked your CCRIS ) during execution or before disbursement. Therefore, if your name only has these 3 HLs, then according to LO, you're suppose only eligible to get max 70%, therefore, loan reduce to 70%. If you have 1 HL now, buy 3 x 500k condo and apply 3 banks to act as 2nd HL, then 2 units have to reduce to max 70%

3) Most critical. Whether you only has 1 HL or no. Or only 1 or 2 units of the 3 loans you accepted. The banks will cancel the facility and reconsider your application and treat it as fresh application. What is each bank take 3 HLs commitment together and your income is not eligible to grant a loan approval. Same goes to other banks in this scenario.

What happen if all 3 banks loan cancel by banks and you had paid 10% deposit and S&P all signed?

I leave it to you for this.

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post Apr 22 2012, 10:29 PM

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post Apr 22 2012, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(Chris Chew @ Apr 22 2012, 10:14 PM)
Strongly agree to skip this idea.

3 scenarios to be happen. ( say each condo RM 500k )
Apply 3 banks for RM 450k each and accept all the banks for 3 different units

1) Loan executed and money disbursed. Nothing happen.

2) One of the bank catch you ( checked your CCRIS ) during execution or before disbursement. Therefore, if your name only has these 3 HLs, then according to LO, you're suppose only eligible to get max 70%, therefore, loan reduce to 70%. If you have 1 HL now, buy 3 x 500k condo and apply 3 banks to act as 2nd HL, then 2 units have to reduce to max 70%

3) Most critical. Whether you only has 1 HL or no. Or only 1 or 2 units of the 3 loans you accepted. The banks will cancel the facility and reconsider your application and treat it as fresh application. What is each bank take 3 HLs commitment together and your income is not eligible to grant a loan approval. Same goes to other banks in this scenario.

What happen if all 3 banks loan cancel by banks and you had paid 10% deposit and S&P all signed?

I leave it to you for this.
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Well said with worst case senario portrayed.


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post Apr 22 2012, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(Chris Chew @ Apr 22 2012, 10:14 PM)
Strongly agree to skip this idea.

3 scenarios to be happen. ( say each condo RM 500k )
Apply 3 banks for RM 450k each and accept all the banks for 3 different units

1) Loan executed and money disbursed. Nothing happen.

2) One of the bank catch you ( checked your CCRIS ) during execution or before disbursement. Therefore, if your name only has these 3 HLs, then according to LO, you're suppose only eligible to get max 70%, therefore, loan reduce to 70%. If you have 1 HL now, buy 3 x 500k condo and apply 3 banks to act as 2nd HL, then 2 units have to reduce to max 70%

3) Most critical. Whether you only has 1 HL or no. Or only 1 or 2 units of the 3 loans you accepted. The banks will cancel the facility and reconsider your application and treat it as fresh application. What is each bank take 3 HLs commitment together and your income is not eligible to grant a loan approval. Same goes to other banks in this scenario.

What happen if all 3 banks loan cancel by banks and you had paid 10% deposit and S&P all signed?

I leave it to you for this.
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post Apr 23 2012, 10:48 AM

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The odds are not good and the consequence might be devastating/fatal.... almost like taking that 10% deposit and S&P fees to Genting and gamble.

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post Apr 23 2012, 11:01 AM

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what TS think of, we already thought of years ago...

workable few years ago when 70% LTV not imposed, banks deperate for sales, and buyers who use this tactic before the property boom had already earned a handsome profit even by selling off slightly below market before getting into default or -ve cashflow..

For today's scenario and hoping to rip a handsome profit 3 years down the road... good luck..
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post Apr 23 2012, 11:18 AM

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Thank you all for your comments. Dont worry, I have no gut to do that 2/3 years ago and definitely wont do it now, just for the sake of discussion.

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