good luck in your jewelry sales.. after that can deposit to buy car liao..

or wait for SE surely comes with leather seats.
Why u all so rushing buy preve..
Those who had no choice to lain la.. but if in no rush, just wait for the SE ler.

maybe excited like when you booked your forte lor..

lol took me almost a year of research before book my forte lor..i was skeptical about kia after the spectra thingy..

spectra and carnival.. brave owners those..

already ask the seller but they dont know when the SE one come out. He said that the next one is definately the hatchback version of preve

Yeah the hatchback really good design... W@ell done by choosing local Gua caya sama lu

haha. dont really like hatchback car.

you see the torque decreasing due to the increasing output speed (this is exactly what your article says)... same applies to an internal combustion motor... as you increase output speed, the torque will also decrease assuming a simillar amount input is fed to the motor through out the range...

"The graph above shows a torque/speed curve of a typical D.C. motor. Note that torque is inversely proportioal to the speed of the output shaft. In other words, there is a tradeoff between how much torque a motor delivers, and how fast the output shaft spins. Motor characteristics are frequently given as two points on this graph:"

my point previously was that and i admitted for using the wrong word that electrical motors have a more linear torque curve compared to a petrol motor... and as long as a load exists, and constant power is sent to the motor, it should provide same torque rating throughout... it is back to how they vary the current fed to the electric motor to adjust the torque output....

this has nothing to do with engineering studies.. it is general knowledge as this are things you come in contact with in daily life...

nope. you can see the stall torque is higher at lower rpm and decreasing with high rpm.. so it's not constant torque throughout the rpm range. constant torque means flat line, as you can see the line is decreasing downwards..

The fact is Car Prices in Malaysia is Crazeely High

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I juz came back from a business trip in Shenzhen, China and was utterly surprised to see many ppl r driving the latest Porsche Cayenne 4WD. I later found out that car prices there are few times cheaper than Malaysia.

Below is an interesting article and testament to what I recently came to comprehend. All this while I knew the govt was ripping all of us with exorbitant taxes on cars but I did not noe that it was till this quantum:-

Digest this article, after that, you may need to vomit. What is the Malaysian Govt doing all these while. Ripping off our Rakyat for the last 30 yrs with APs designed to benefit a few well connected Bumis, the UMNO/BN have robbed millions of citizens in this fiasco, under the pretext of protecting our local industry. The Govt have forgotten we Malays are the largest customers in the country. What is the NEP policy doing ?? Ripping off the Malays (which forms 65% of the consumer base) to benefit a few UMNO politicians !!!

BMW 535i sells for RM178,000 in the US

In the United States of America (a developed country which we are also aspiring to become by the year 2020) a 2009 model BMW 535i Sedan is selling for about USD50,367.00. This is only RM178,000 – about the price of a Toyota Camry 2..4L here in Malaysia . The same BMW sells in Malaysia for about RM450,000.

BMW 328i sells for RM155,000 in the US

The 2009 model BMW 328i 2 door Convertible sells for USD44,014 or RM155,36900 in the US In Malaysia the same car sells for over
RM460,000. This is an untenable situation.

Audi A4 2.0T Cabriolet Convertible sells for RM142,000 in the US

The 2009 model Audi A4 2 Door 2.0T Cabriolet Convertible sells in the US for USD40,328.00 or RM142,357. In Malaysia the same car would sell for about RM265,000.

VW GTI 2.0T sells for RM85,000 in the US

In the US the 2009 model Volkswagen GTI 2.0T sells for USD 24,039 or RM85,000 only. In China the same car will cost around RM60,000. Over here the same VW car sells for about RM200,000.

And the 2010 model Toyota Camry 2.4L sells in the US for USD 19,659…00 or RM69,396 In Malaysia the 2008 Toyota Camry 2.4L sells for RM170,000. Toyota Camry 2.4L, 2010 model. RM69,000 in the US

Car prices in Malaysia are about three times higher than the prices in the United States We are a developing nation. Our land and labour costs are so much cheaper than the US Why are our cars so expensive? It does not make any sense. Tak masuk akal.

Then here are some car prices from our neighbour Indonesia .
The Toyota Altis sells in Indonesia for about RM46,000. The same car sells here for around RM 112,000.. Again we are three times more expensive than Indonesia

The Honda Jazz sells here for RM108,000… In Indonesia the Jazz sells for RM 36,000. Three times more expensive.

We are paying ridiculously high prices (and actually impoverishing the Malays – who are the largest buyers of cars in Malaysia ) to support an out of date, out of touch with reality motor car policy.

We are paying the highest car prices in the world to support the Proton and other locally made cars as well as support a mind boggling AP policy which only benefits a relatively few rich Malays. A disproportionately large number of Malays and other Malaysians are being impoverished to subsidise the wealth of a few inefficient rich.

26 million Malaysians have to pay three times more for their cars just to support Proton and 120,000 people who are directly and indirectly involved in the motor sector in Malaysia and the AP holders. That is a ratio of 216:1.

This ratio of 216:1 is too skewed. 26.0 million happier people can contribute many more votes than 120,000 members of an inefficient motor industry.. 26 million unhappy people can change a Government. (The maths is not really difficult here)

And this outdated policy is impoverishing the Malays more than anyone else.

Cuba kita kira : kalau kereta Honda Jazz di jual dengan harga yang sebenarnya (lebih kurang RM36,000 saja) dan bukan pada harga sekarang (RM108,000) maksudnya bayaran bulanan pembeli kereta akan jadi kurang, mungkin sepertiga sahaja daripada bayaran bulanan sekarang.

Jika sekarang orang bayar RM1,500 sebulan untuk beli Honda Jazz, kalau harga kereta lebih menepati harga pasaran dunia, orang kita perlu bayar sekitar RM500 saja sebulan.

Maksudnya tanpa Kerajaan perlu membuat apa pun (merangsang ekonomi, belanja berpuluh billion Ringgit duit rakyat untuk stimulus dan sebagainya) setiap rakyat Malaysia yang membeli kereta yang seharga dengan Honda Jazz akan dapat menjimatkan sehingga RM1,000 sebulan daripada kos sara hidup bulanannya.

This is like giving the car buyer an RM1000 pay rise without incurring any extra costs for the taxpayer, the Government or the economy. It will greatly reduce the cost of living in Malaysia and spur greater economic growth too.

Tapi sekarang, yang menjadi mangsa dulu dan yang menjadi miskin dulu orang Melayu juga. Orang Melayu yang paling ramai sekali menjadi pembeli kereta dalam negara kita. Orang Melayu kebanyakannya makan gaji – tiap bulan dapat gaji tetap. Bila harga kereta naik gila, yang menjadi miskin di saf depan sekali adalah orang Melayu juga.

In absolute numbers, the Malays are suffering the most because they are the most in number among the fixed income people who also buy cars.

Some folks said the other day that Proton has 150 major component suppliers, dealers, distributors and about 500 other parts suppliers too. Of the 150 major component suppliers, about 15 of them are listed companies. In total they employ about 120,000 people. The Proton supply chain is a mix of bumiputras and non bumiputras. But here is a sad fact : none of them are operating at their level best efficiency.

Our motor car policy is forcing Malaysians to subsidise Proton so that Proton can sustain major inefficiencies in the Malaysian economy.. This is not a good thing at all.

We have to unwind this situation.. Set a target of 18 months from now to unwind all protection for our motor industry. Remove the impoverishing AP policy also in 18 months. Let Malaysian car prices reflect world market prices for the same makes of cars.

If a BMW 535 sells for RM178,000 in America , it should sell for a little less here in Malaysia (our rentals and salaries are cheaper).

The Ministers continue making pronouncements about the car industry as though nothing has happened. I hope everyone will please wake up. The Government has a real chance of getting thrown out of office in about three years. The people will not accept inept answers anymore.

The ridiculous car prices in Malaysia is an issue that is just beginning to get more attention and publicity. It is going to become a really big issue in the near future. Be forewarned.

heh a fresh engineer can afford to buy a cayenne in dubai..

BOHONG besar.. I hv been to Indonesia so many times liao.. Ther car prices almost similar or more than M'sia lah ..That guy simply qoute wan... ..furthermore.. are we paying the highest price for vehicle...terlupa Singapore liao?



Sos kantoi besar: http://www.astra-toyota.com/2012/01/daftar...ri-2012-di.html

This post has been edited by stimix: Apr 24 2012, 11:01 AM

They are planning to delist Protong from the Bursa. I hope they tarik balik their noobshit tax on import cars since the new owner want make private why we pay money support?

double post

This post has been edited by N33d: Apr 24 2012, 12:44 PM

NA engine is diff from turbocharged engine.. turbocharged engine has turbo lag
the "slow initial torque" u've mentioned is the turbo lag


i think what he misunderstood constant current delivered to the DC motor and torque delivered by the DC motor thru the RPM range

This post has been edited by N33d: Apr 24 2012, 12:44 PM

wat happen seh

due to a lot of reasons, stuff selling in USA is very cheap. yes, i been there twice.

do you know what factory supervisor drives? camry 3.5 liter( here same position is driving a motor bike or waja lution)

nike airjordan, you know how much? less than 100usd. 120usd for very special edition kind. latest nike sportshoes are usually 70usd. and they everyweek has discount.

you can go macdonald and spend 2usd to get 2 burger (with meat, not banjo).

fairlady is only 30000.

there's nothing to compare, if u really like it, go there. its a great place to stay. if u finish your uni there, most prob you will stay there.

but there's always pros and cons.

This post has been edited by turbocharged: Apr 24 2012, 01:08 PM

where is the kuality ?