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 Preve's Excellent Body Quality - Hi-Tech Welding, I have the pictures now, come in and see

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MR_alien
post Apr 19 2012, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Apr 19 2012, 12:19 AM)
Vios no crumple zone.... Sound right.. Legit...   nod.gif  nod.gif  nod.gif

So what else the vios don't have?  blush.gif
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notice the "example"...haha
next time should put capital letters
what i meant by the example was...same technology, different car = TOTALLY different perception


Added on April 19, 2012, 1:23 am
QUOTE(BuFung @ Apr 19 2012, 12:33 AM)
Toyota develop the GOA 15-16 years back n the rest of the auto industry follow.. 

Ppl r bashing them those day why make the front n back so soft....  

Even the kelisa have some features like engine will drop down when front crash... 
N now pro tong boy saying they have this " new tech" ...  Which the Toyota don't have... 

Sound like apple invented video call .... Ridiculous ....
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and where did u see they stated that "new tech"?
did u see it in proton web?...did u see it in their brochure?...or did u hear it when DSZ launch the car?
they never mention it
so where did u see/hear they "advertise"/say specifically they use "spot weld"?

as far as i recall, i only remember them(proton) advertise abt using HTS with hot press on the body and their own design multilink only
never recall them saying they're using the "brand new" spot weld be4
or i was mistaken?...hmmmmm

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post Apr 19 2012, 02:30 AM

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QUOTE(mat79 @ Apr 19 2012, 02:14 AM)
erm, if not mistaken, prtn already used one piece door stamping gen2, tailor welded blanks door saga,exora, and preve i think, door sash + doorpanel,  using double spot, robotic plasma welding.

I thinkla :-), dengor2 khabar anginla, ingress corp supply the door to prtn preve. So, better ask them lah, ha...ha...

The door sash is made using roll forming method, only using this method, u can used advance high strength steel(ahss) aka ultra high tensile steel(uhss) as the material coz in cold forming method, its really hard to shape ahss to complex shape coz of its rigidity.

Then the door structure is normally used high strength steel low alloy(hsla), and the trapezoidal impact beam, unique to proton n lotus, start in satria neo n upward(not tabular impact beam as some others using) inside the door also ahss using roll forming.

So, combining the door sash n door panel is using robotic(not human, unless humanoid :-)) plasma welding, double spot, for strength n better corrosion resistant. Ops, forget to mentioned, all high strength steel using in car are galvanised steel(corrosion resistant coating steel). Plus, its now painted in white(thats why they called it body in white as the preve chasis during power of one event), then another layers of colors paint.

So, in other words, using this method, the door will enhance its strength by combining two type of steels(ahss for door sash n hsla for door structure), n door sash is stronger than before as in using tailor welded blanks. Coz previously, only being protected by ahss impact beam inside the door, but door sash still not as strong as ahss(trip or dp), but now, the whole door has the same strength. Yup, i think better they (prtn)conceal with rubber next time, so that people will not do their own professional analysis.

Malas betul nk taip panjang2 dlm hp, dont ask me again about this coz juz copy the word from some fella fren :-). Further info, maybe u can contact the above mentioned kot :-).

130kmh, pull to S mode, possible of course, the impossible for .....to catch u.

Cvt, ask kristof ler. Or maybe u just visit autoworld to understand better, wet clutch cvt. The suggestion method, to overcome throttle lag from dbw, put in s mode, to overcome torque retention by cvt,before century sprint, when u waiting at junction, dont used footbrake(meaning car already stop, but its normal u still pressing the brake especially at steep road), used handbrake instead, ur right foot already at the gas pedal,
when everything clear, then lift the handbrake and press the pedal :-).

Wah, mcm pemberita sukan plak. If want to know why this n there in wet clutch cvt, n how it is differ from torque converter or dry clutch cvt, then refer to kristof, he's the expert. Me just a layman explanation, already explain about clutch, many didnt understand, then refer to him, he can answer u, deeply.

Sorry fenomx, my children are sick, so, bz taking care of them after work.

Aahhh., children just sleeping. Me, already tired . Salam.
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post Apr 19 2012, 02:45 AM

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perghhhh, toyota invented goa n the AUTO INDUSTRY follow. Before that, people r bashing why they make front n back soft(crumple zone konon2), :-), dont be angree, be happy.

Ncap already start in 1979, n crumple zone already existed since 50's germans who pionering it.

bufung, I know u love vios very much, but dont change the history.

Toyota cars when u said front soft, back soft, they actually soft everywhere during that time. Thats is the tin milo term come from. Simplest example, u just googlelah, toyota n honda makes in 80's to 90's when collision, 4 doors become 2 doors maa. Mitsu oso the same. 1st saga, mitsu in 80's, wira, mitsu in 90's, while people laughing about arena no star ancap result, just remember it was the original platform, chasis mitsu in 90's, same as any other japs in 90's, name it honda. Toyota, suzuki, nissan. Datsun, all the same.

Yup, now they are strong, really strong. But as i said, dont change the history of auto industry.
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I seriously dont see the point of this thread. TS trying to antagonise people? Seriously just close this thread and wait for the ANCAP Test to be carried out. That would clear everything up.
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post Apr 19 2012, 02:54 AM

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Haha so funny this thread. Many people butthurt coz of preve (cheaper price with 1.6T). For me the spot weld just a minor cosmetic issue. How many people actually look at that part when you open the door. Most people will just open the door jump in and bang close the door.

If the spot weld on the exterior body then it is not acceptable. I think most people here first time go and check their car to see if they have the same weld finish lol.

Pretty sure many people complain under a fake name here and quietly go book one preve or their brothers, father, mother book one XD
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QUOTE(MEngineer @ Apr 19 2012, 02:54 AM)

Pretty sure many people complain under a fake name here and quietly go book one preve or their brothers, father, mother book one XD
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QUOTE(Area51SE @ Apr 19 2012, 02:49 AM)
I seriously dont see the point of this thread. TS trying to antagonise people? Seriously just close this thread and wait for the ANCAP Test to be carried out. That would clear everything up.
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The TS feels he need to perform this public service to warn people about the un-safeness of visible spot welding on a car.
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post Apr 19 2012, 07:10 AM

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If you come to collect your car, and salesman tell you to chose between a Simply cin cai designed welded doors and a normal looking door, which one you take?

Even my lousy workmanship house grills looks better than that.


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post Apr 19 2012, 07:22 AM

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Proton fanbois pun tak dapat menaham impak proton basher didalam thread ini...
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post Apr 19 2012, 07:29 AM

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i think proton could have touch up a bit on the welding spots before coating it with paint. It might have not any impact on the safety of car but it might encourage built up of rust after awhile.

anyway, i test drove the 1.6T full specs yesterday and the car felt heavy and the acceleration was not what i expected from an engine equipped with turbo. When the gear shifted, I could hear the humming noise. The noise was more prominent and significant with vibration felt towards the rear of the cabin when i sat at the back and my colleague drove it.

Having said that, the cabin was spacious, easily accomodating 3 average size adults (2 colleagues with myself). Boot was spacious too. Rear seats had better inclination than persona and quite a good clearance between my head and roof. My taller colleague (almost 6 ft) could sit straight and both of us had no problem getting in and out of the car, which was an improvement over gen-2 and persona.

The GPS / HU could have a bigger screen since the dashboard design made the screen feel even smaller. The driver seat did not feel as good as the rear seats. Some how, when i slided into the driver seat, i felt the frame of the seat at the side where the cushion arched upward and quite hard.
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post Apr 19 2012, 07:58 AM

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wait for Preve Sapphire then compare the welding

BTW someone also comments on the potential-defunct power window on blog
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post Apr 19 2012, 08:07 AM

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Welding isn't really big issue. It's more into cosmetic prob which the welding part not look good.
But how come Proton basher used this point and conclude this whole car quality is lame doh.gif
Sure Proton should improve it but to used this point to judge the quality of whole car just make you a typical basher.
People just exaggerate this point too much. shakehead.gif
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post Apr 19 2012, 08:29 AM

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I thought I made my point clear that there is nothing to discuss about some welding pictures. They mean nothing other than cosmetic issue. No car has ever been recalled due to ugly welding on a door.

If you guys want to talk about welding issue, go find a structural welding issue that will endanger the safety of the car, and then we'd have a good discussion on that.

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