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That's the problem. People just blindly support and dislike other people bashing Proton. In my believe, everyone can have their own opinion and we're here to discuss. I don't get mad at Proton lovers so I don't expect Proton lovers to get pissed when we are saying out the truth about how lousy Proton is.

the failure of your last thread is due to your ignorance about spot welding. Just because it is ugly then you simply conclude that the whole structure rigidity is equivalent to a milo can.

its ugly meaning whoever did that dint have the right skill and it was a lousy job done.Simple as that.And nobody said that it will affect the rigidity.Its just that it shows how useless proton quality still is.

WhiCh area was that? Door or center pillar?

i am not basher nor supporter, i've been working in 1 of the reputable local assembly plant for Japanese vehicle before.

judging from the photo, i may conclude

1. yes it is spot weld, nothing wrong with that.
2. the quality of spot weld is not acceptable by JIS body shop standard (pre assemble the metal part before send for paintworks)
3. 1 of the photo clearly shown misalignment of the 2 panels, should the panels involve mechanical movement, ie window glass railings, this may distort the movement thus case premature power-window issues.
4. the poor welding finishing may cause water ingression and develop rust in future (as you can see on top right photo, there might already be some rust mark there)

Just my 2 cents. Hope that proton can improve in this

@Monkey King - you have a good point there. I think if we ask a simple question whether the welding is considered quality or not, the answer is clear - it's not. We are just saying the facts and obviously we want to see Proton improve further but at the rate things are going, I doubt they'll be able to sell globally in the near future even with this new model.

Point 3 and 4 very important. You should repost this in official Preve thread for discussion.
kereta proton = kereta potong

This post has been edited by A2Z2U: Apr 18 2012, 09:09 PM

I didnt say you. It was for the TS. In the previous thread, he keeps on talking nonsense although all evidence presented by other forumers suggests otherwise. Simple as that.

Nobody is denying the fact that it was a lousy job which is a mistake which shouldn't be made if the car is meant to be a "global car". But if one say the whole car is rubbish just because of poorly welded doors, then I have nothing much to say because that statement is beyond stupidity.

No car in the market out there is perfect. Not even a Rolls Royce.

I'd really like Proton to avoid making all these silly mistakes and produce a car which gives real confidence to people or at least convince me to buy a Proton again, lol.

Thank the lord! Someone who actually knows his stuff and posting in a manner which indicates he understands, knows what he's talking about, and who is actually in the field!

Man, you should really post that in the official thread (by official, I mean the LYN offical thread ).

We need more "bashers" like you to give non-biased and critical observations.

I'm actually serious. People like you are like needle in a haystack.

fair comment so far

yeah prtn need to improve this

lets hope this only happen in display unit
the real production unit should have better ones

Even Rolls Royce also come out.

i see no problem..except for cosmetic eyesore only. but if it's for safety..no problem.

yeah. dunno whats the fuss about. lol

seriously it is spot welding whatever, but after seeing the pictures, I tend to agree with you
Haha

proton should do something to cover-it up, it may just spot welding, but people perception with no knowledge and ordinary people will blindly underrated it.

hope proton will improve-it more for pre-facelift version?

This post has been edited by dadurtyz: Apr 18 2012, 09:40 PM

I don't know.. rust could be an issue. Unless the whole body is galvanised electrolytically or hot-dip. Any info on the rustproofing?

I know its spot welding. Proton could have tried to at least weld it better. Or even put la some rubber over it.

The small things matter. And this is the visible ones. What about those that you can't see?

Sure, NCAP is one thing, but this is just unsightly.

My toyota and honda don't look like this. To me its just poor quality. If steve job is still alive and he see the welding spot, he wouls say "its shit car". Lol