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lhwj
post Apr 19 2012, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Apr 19 2012, 12:44 AM)
.Estimated power after all these modification... 95hp.... sweat.gif 
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Actually, there's a chance your engine is already producing up to 98 hp brows.gif

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Proton’s dyno tests of the new Campro IAFM engine reveals power ratings of up to 98 horsepower is achievable, but Proton prefers to publish the power figures in brochures at 94 horses for some reason, perhaps for consistency sake as not all engines may be able to achieve the 98 horses figure.


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post Apr 25 2012, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Apr 25 2012, 12:16 AM)
Topic? Well... you guys might be interested to this. Its my car. After last weekend tauke at Genting, I've decided this engine is too weak, so I mod it

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QUOTE(mieza @ Apr 25 2012, 06:48 AM)
The only comment which is very obvious related to ergonomic hazard is the brake pedal and accelerator pedal is not at the same level. This will make my knee easily get tired especially during peak hour because brake pedal is higher than accelerator pedal sad.gif

As you can see here in the pic I cilok somewhere around itenet, brake pedal and accelerator pedal is almost at the same level..

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Well, if the brake pedal is too low, there might not be enough space to tekan for an emergency stop. Anyway it's probably not as bad as you think.

My only complaint with the level of pedals is that with the accelerator being so low, I can't do heel and toe downshifts sleep.gif Found a screw at the accelerator pedal, thought I could raise it a bit. I managed to remove it but the pedal refused to budge sweat.gif


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post May 5 2012, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(frella @ May 5 2012, 06:07 PM)
hi sifu here.

i'm considering seriosly buying either this saga flx exec. CVT VS myvi 1.3 auto premium. Can anybody give a some comment or review? is this saga flx a good buy? I'm right now using a 2ndhand car.

wanna buy new car coz want a more stable and reliable car for long journey & outstation

i read the first page of this thread review. but it says nothing about the CVT  notworthy.gif
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http://www.cbt.com.my/2012/05/04/pressing-...rice-advantage/
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post May 13 2012, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 13 2012, 09:33 PM)
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Happen in JB Eastern Dispersal Link.
I always took that road, newly built and straight... sweat.gif

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Google Translate version for those who don't read Chinese

Seems like the two guys weren't wearing their seatbelts, no wonder they died doh.gif
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post May 13 2012, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 13 2012, 10:26 PM)
I dun think seat belt can help in this case...see the whole chassis was badly damaged...even roll cage also will die i think...
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But the woman survived wor. Maybe the left side didn't compress as much, there's no shot of the right side.

QUOTE(zeone @ May 13 2012, 10:31 PM)
Yup, alwaz belt up!!
Seatbelts do save lives... thumbup.gif
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Yeah. The most basic safety procedure. I enforce the rear seat belt rule on my passengers and if they don't want to, I point to the seat pocket where I printed out the rear seatbelt law rclxms.gif

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post May 15 2012, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 14 2012, 10:09 PM)
After being shocked by my recent fc, the highest being 22sen/km, I took to return to my driving style before the buzzing sound from exhaust was fixed. That means hovering the rpm around 2000, going no faster than 90km/h and no hard acceleration.

I got 12sen/km or 15.5km/l  rclxm9.gif 70% city driving.
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That, is pretty outstanding thumbup.gif I can only achieve that on my manual tranny if I do 90 km/h all the way between Penang and KL, and the remainder of the tank spent in either place yawn.gif

Btw I achieved my record distance on one tank the other week. This should be no problem for you guys with the CVT, right? brows.gif

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post May 15 2012, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(kennie @ May 15 2012, 12:36 AM)
time to change my old savvy, having dilemma between saga 1.3 and 1.6 cvt!!! how how which to choose?? would 1.6cvt fc as bad as 1st gen blm 1.3 saga??
btw the old 1.3 blm really underpower....frustrating whenever passing by ipoh's ns highway uphill road and karak's uphill road zzzz, the gear just wont stay in 3rd n will straight away drop to 2nd after charged enough to change gear, hard to >100km/h, some slope even hard to maintain it....if step harder n stay in 5k rpm the engine is too noisyyy =.=

would 1.3cvt much better than 1.3 blm in such situations? how good is 1.6 cvt compare to it?? sifu2s pls help~
Oh, the stretch just before or after Ipoh (depends where you're coming from) is my favourite part of the drive. Your underpower complaint is due to the four speed auto tranny, as my manual tranny can climb both sides of the hill at 110 km/h in 5th gear, provided I don't lose momentum (by some n00bs hogging the right lane mad.gif). I've never driven the four speed auto before, but I've tried my friend's 1.3 CVT. It was still new so I didn't push it hard, but it was a very smooth drive, and the power delivery is good. Those guys with the CVT can describe it to you better. See what David wrote earlier:

QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 14 2012, 05:28 PM)
As a BLM manual owner, all time performance enthusiast, GaGa CVT will be the 1st auto car recommended by me. I've tried several 1.3 CVT & several FLX SE CVT. Frankly, the torque you felt in a CVT has nothing much less than any manual car, infact the CVT clutching better than much manual driver. Often you hear pakcik at the traffic light pickup with a long haul of RPM and drag 3-4seconds of semi clutching before the car move, also normal 4AT car will have this kind of problem, which CVT DOESN'T have at all!

For a few thousand ringgit different, you get to enjoy fuel save like a manual,fast like a manual,best of it no need to clutch at traffic jam anymore! icon_idea.gif CVT FLX is the choice. Don't say I poison you, go find manual & CVT test drive to feel it. Anyway, for me 1.6 doesn't perform much better than the 1.3. So far the best 1.3CVT I sit is V12k's ride.
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I definitely think the CVT is a good buy though personally if I were to buy an FLX now I'd still get the manual as I like choosing my own gear and the Getrag gearbox should be better than the old one. No more 110 km/h at 3,600 RPM doh.gif

The impression I got was that the FLX CVT is quieter and more refined than my own one, probably due to the fact that the engine does not need to be revved hard.

1.6 vs 1.3? I've never complained about my 1.3 being underpowered, even with five on board, but then again I drive for economy, not performance. Though I think having a bigger engine gives a more relaxed drive, as you don't have to push it so hard. I doubt a bigger engine is gonna more thirsty, unless it's seriously overkill, like a 3 litre. Just look at Dares' latest consumption.

QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 15 2012, 01:28 AM)

Added on May 15, 2012, 1:33 am

Waidaminute hmm.gif fuelly show your car as BLM 2010, how cum dash board different geh?  BLM SE different dashboard ka? So pretty
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Yeah I know right wub.gif PS Dares is your FLX SE's dashboard different from the regular FLX one?

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Btw your vacuum gauge posts got me interested in one. It's so fascinating how much info you can pull out from a single meter.

I shift up at 2,000 RPM in city traffic. That works very well for me. David I remember you said earlier that your mileage is only around 19,000 km, if I'm not mistaken. Mine is past 38k now, almost time for service. If you look at my Fuelly graph you'll see that my average consumption per month is dropping as time goes by. I remember about a year ago I was struggling to touch 400 km on one tank, and I was so happy when I finally did. Even then that was with super light foot driving, using very long detours to avoid jams, switching engine off at traffic lights, etc. Then I gradually kept hitting 400 km more and more often until nowadays it's virtually guaranteed. Now I can touch 500+ km if I drive carefully on the highway.

My theory is, your engine is still being run in, even well past 10,000 km. But then again that doesn't explain how some people who got their car this year can start off so well rclxub.gif

Also, I'm using relatively heavy oil, 15w50. Every time I ask for lighter oil the service advisor say takde doh.gif Cold tyre pressure, front 33 PSI, rear 31 PSI.

QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 15 2012, 10:31 AM)
Actually you are only 0.5L away from engine stall... sweat.gif
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Hmmmmm yeah that was pushing it a bit too far. Though I remember reading somewhere that someone with a BLM ran out of petrol and when he tried to pump full tank it could only take 36 L. So maybe, 1.5 L from empty lah. I've never ran out of petrol before, and I don't think I wanna experience it tongue.gif

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post May 15 2012, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 15 2012, 10:08 AM)

On the other hand, last nite drove back to ipoh at 130kmh, only got 13km/l  doh.gif

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Surprising. I thought at 130 km/h your RPM should still be around below 3,000?
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post May 15 2012, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 15 2012, 11:01 AM)
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Picture not taken by me, but this is FLX SE's meter cluster  wub.gif
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Can't really see any difference other than the SE speedo going up to 240 km/h hmm.gif

QUOTE(Number92 @ May 15 2012, 11:04 AM)
honestly , i just reach once , 350km ++ for a full tank of petrol on highway driving and other than that , i'm not even near 300 , at most also 280++ .
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Car still new lah. Wait till 10k+ and see. You'll be breaking your own records then smile.gif
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post May 15 2012, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 15 2012, 11:13 AM)
This gives me the impression that once I go above 110km/h it becomes less efficient and needs more effort to keep that speed, so I'd venture a guess that for the most fuel efficient drive on highway, stay at 100-110 km/h.
Yes I agree. I personally find that above the speed limit, FC drops to city-like levels (my own levels), still good but not excellent any more.

From the way you described how your speed responds to the accelerator input, I realise now that I appreciate the fact that I can control speed and acceleration precisely on the highway on my manual, cos the gear ratio is fixed. Hope I'll get to test a chance on the CVT on the highway soon.

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post May 15 2012, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 15 2012, 11:39 AM)
I dunno if this is common in all Saga, but I feel my car is very sensitive to turbulence from large vehicles. When trying to overtake bus or lorries, I can feel the car swaying slightly sideways as I approach from behind, coming up its side all the way until the vehicle is behind me. Everytime I overtake these vehicles I have to hold the steering tightly with both hands and slow down just enough to overtake in a timely manner.
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I don't remember feeling that when I'm overtaking heavy vehicles, but when speeding express buses overtake me, it's quite bad. Even at some traffic lights when I stop on the right lane to turn right and the light is green for going straight, I can feel the car shake when motorcycles pass near me sweat.gif

QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 15 2012, 11:48 AM)
Tall + light weight is the culprit.
Put 200 kg of counterweight in the boot. Problem solved rclxms.gif

Seriously, I feel the car is more stable when I'm carrying passengers at the back.
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post May 15 2012, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 15 2012, 11:39 PM)
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David,

Sorry to hear about your problems with the Iswara this morning. Have you got any comments on what I said earlier?

QUOTE(lhwj @ May 15 2012, 10:50 AM)
Btw your vacuum gauge posts got me interested in one. It's so fascinating how much info you can pull out from a single meter.

I shift up at 2,000 RPM in city traffic. That works very well for me. David I remember you said earlier that your mileage is only around 19,000 km, if I'm not mistaken. Mine is past 38k now, almost time for service. If you look at my Fuelly graph you'll see that my average consumption per month is dropping as time goes by. I remember about a year ago I was struggling to touch 400 km on one tank, and I was so happy when I finally did. Even then that was with super light foot driving, using very long detours to avoid jams, switching engine off at traffic lights, etc. Then I gradually kept hitting 400 km more and more often until nowadays it's virtually guaranteed. Now I can touch 500+ km if I drive carefully on the highway. 

My theory is, your engine is still being run in, even well past 10,000 km. But then again that doesn't explain how some people who got their car this year can start off so well rclxub.gif

Also, I'm using relatively heavy oil, 15w50. Every time I ask for lighter oil the service advisor say takde doh.gif Cold tyre pressure, front 33 PSI, rear 31 PSI.

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QUOTE(rulez1 @ May 15 2012, 11:44 PM)
hi guy
wanted to ask, whats the side effects of installing ngv kit on saga 1.3?

i heard it'll damage the engine, other than that any other downside effects. thanks alot
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Taxi drivers run hundreds of km every day on NG, do you think they'll do that if it will damage the engine?

From my friend who installed the kit on his Iswara, you lose boot space, plus the car feels a bit more sluggish when running on NG.

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QUOTE(rulez1 @ May 16 2012, 12:18 AM)
thanks alot, but u think in long run will damage the engine?
and 1.3 on saga blm,good decision to install ngv?

i run around 200km perweek.
sluggish is too bad till overtake car also hard or how?

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I don't have it installed myself, in fact of all my friends only one has an NGV, and I haven't driven any NGV before so I can't tell you how sluggish it is in comparison. Just telling you what my friend told me. Talk to someone who uses it, like taxi drivers. Will it damage the engine in the long run? I don't know.

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post May 16 2012, 11:04 AM

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post May 16 2012, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(Number92 @ May 16 2012, 07:28 AM)
hey guys , a very noob question here , how to calculate l/km thingy ar ? sorry ar , i think i failed maths in my whole life
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92 I think you mean km/L, because L/km will give you a pretty small number.

If you don't wanna calculate just enter your data into Fuelly lah tongue.gif

QUOTE(AMenzZ @ May 15 2012, 11:23 PM)
Freak accident! Ferrari VS Taxi
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I wouldn't call that a freak accident. A freak accident is something like when a tree falls on your car, or a sinkhole forms under your car and swallows it. This is a wholly preventable accident, caused by sheer negligence and stupidity mad.gif

QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 16 2012, 09:53 AM)
#2: sundry expanses could be the tap water they added to your radiator, or they use duct tape to shut your oil sum ph34r.gif


Duct tape can seal leaking oil sump ah ohmy.gif

QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 16 2012, 12:44 AM)
Absofreakinlutely no idea how those car behive that way. Driving style holds the 50% of the causes of fuel consumption behavior. Like my father style, he can do 20cent/km on a TOYOGA GRIUS. Funny thing is, regardless its a GRIUS from his friend, my BLM, my previous WIGA1.6, my ISWAGA 1.3, my brother's BiBA 850... he does exactly 20cent/km for all those cars. He's just so comfortable with his 3rd gear at 5krpm, even on high way. My mother once told me, how come your BLM sound geh? Your father's car sounds like a sports car you know "VROOM VROOM!" doh.gif


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Read my siggy, both car behave almost the same mileage. Before I had the vacuum stuck on my BLM, I can only do 250km/tank of RM60 fillup. After I put the gague, back to 300+. If translate it to cent/km or km/litre, it looks more or less the same with my ISWAGA blink.gif

I developed to read vacuum since I owned a KE20

I'm talking about the car, and I'm not that DAVID. My previous magician taught me use that thing to troubleshoot my 30 years old engine.
Wahhh in that case if I install vacuum gauge and learn to read it maybe I can hit 600 km on one tank already tongue.gif

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No worries, am not going to overhaul the damn car anyway. Swap engine is definitely more worthy. Let's hope no debree left inside, so my engine can last for another decade thumbup.gif


Good luck!

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Technically, natural gas will NOT hurt... UNLESS
1) Not enough gas feed in (result in burning lean and causes high heat)
2) Natural gas IS slaggy compare to petrol. The long haul of RPM rewing before the car start moving, that actually contribute to quicker clutch wear off.
3) If you run out of gas, you may switch back to petrol, but your A/F mixture will become TOO RICH, lots of black smoke and car wouldn't move, petrol consumption is 4x prior NGV conversion

My cousin is using the 1st batch BLM + NGV(if you remember the NGV package). His monthly gas expanses is around 100 bucks, with regular outstation travelling, another 100 bucks on petrol. He change engine oil once a month...some weird brand name with the rating of 20w50. And he's kinda enjoy playing with the switch, flicker back and forth. When pickup, switch to petrol, rev the damn thing up to 100kmh then cruise with NGV  shakehead.gif
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Hmmmm if your cousin does that wouldn't No. 3 happen? Suddenly eksos spew black smoke and engine stall...

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post May 17 2012, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(mieza @ May 17 2012, 10:12 AM)
Did u face the same issue? Last time when I go to SC for 1k km servis, they said cannot do anything..
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Same here. Asked them to raise the accelerator, said tak boleh dry.gif

But I'm raising it for a different reason, wanna do heel and toe. Otherwise I feel so clumsy taking corners and speedbumps.

I tried DIY before, see that screw there?

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Took me about 45 mins to remove it. But after I did the pedal still wouldn't budge, so I replaced the screw and haven't touched it since whistling.gif

Maybe the guys at the car accessories shop can help.
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QUOTE(SiuYi @ May 17 2012, 11:45 AM)
u diam diam be the next la. good TS must go on.
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QUOTE(dares @ May 17 2012, 11:56 AM)
Why need to vote TS doh.gif besides I'm not qualified to be TS  whistling.gif

You continue to be TS la.
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