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post May 14 2012, 10:13 AM

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On the issue of CVT coasting in N. Bolded parts were my questions, the regular text is Kristof's answer, red text is my comment.

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Hi Kristof,

This is pertaining to the CVT system on the Proton Saga FLX.

Is it safe to coast in N gear? Or allow the front wheels to spin at high speed in N gear?

I have been told that it might damage the CVT. Is that true?




No problem, as long as the engine is running!


So, I conclude that:

1.) It is OK to coast in N, still generally not recommended in any car because you lose engine braking and no engine power during emergencies. And IF you engage D mode while the car is coasting, it may damage your CVT.
2.) Do not tow your car with the front wheels on the road, unless your engine is running.
3.) It is OK to do on wheel balancing, as long as your engine is running.

FYI, the CVT oil pump runs on engine power, which is why you need a running engine.



Thanks for your quick reply. Here is another one:

When I Jack up the whole car, meaning the wheels are not touching the ground, and put the gear in D, the front wheels spins relatively slowly when I press the throttle pedal. This is different than my other 4AT car, which will spin at normal speed as if it is on the ground. Why is that?



Because there is a recognition on this, the back wheels are standing still, causing the transmission not to shift up, unless you press it harder.


No idea we had this feature in the CVT. Not sure what purpose it serves, though  blink.gif


This post has been edited by dares: May 14 2012, 10:18 AM
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post May 14 2012, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 14 2012, 10:04 AM)
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4) How often do u drive? blink.gif I'm 5000km up since 20/3 ph34r.gif

That is not all, having new+old Gaga at the same time will develope skidsomania! When I turn right trying to get out of my house, see the FLX next to me start laughing muted in her car bcoz my wiper activated doh.gif malunyerr
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Re 4), kenot beat yu there...me granduncle driver la...got move 1/10 of yrs happy oledi....haha! rclxm9.gif

Yup, re turning indicator confusion, me still make same mistake now & then altho ole Saga gone 1yr+ oledi... doh.gif blush.gif

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post May 14 2012, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 14 2012, 10:04 AM)
That is not all, having new+old Gaga at the same time will develope skidsomania! When I turn right trying to get out of my house, see the FLX next to me start laughing muted in her car bcoz my wiper activated doh.gif malunyerr
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Why everytime you do something malu with your car, sure got chick around wan? Kemaluan awak amatlah besar

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post May 14 2012, 11:24 AM

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morning guys!!!
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post May 14 2012, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(iXora.ix @ May 14 2012, 11:24 AM)
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post May 14 2012, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(zeone @ May 14 2012, 10:16 AM)
Re 4), kenot beat yu there...me granduncle driver la...got move 1/10 of yrs happy oledi....haha! rclxm9.gif

Yup, re turning indicator confusion, me still make same mistake now & then altho ole Saga gone 1yr+ oledi... doh.gif blush.gif
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same with me, especially in an emergency. when want to give high beam, accidently activated wiper wash tongue.gif
sometimes when quickly hit horn with right hand will also hit tune radio button on steerting sweat.gif

another thing is, sometimes drove my father's or mother's car and siblings.. all are japanese made or perodua
will need to take few minutes to switch brain logic laugh.gif

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post May 14 2012, 11:39 AM

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sometimes i use my wiper and my light as my paddle shifter.

haha.. still dreaming why my flx se did not implement the paddle shifter...

my consumption is getting better now adays.. 70% City and 30% highway.

RM 30 can go till 185km (started to blinking)

now adays is so hot so i always using aircond..

not so pain like last time.. haha...

saving up for ultra racing and 3m tinted before hari raya smile.gif
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post May 14 2012, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 14 2012, 09:59 AM)
I pay almost RM10k more leh  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

Love thy ride, and you will have the illusion that it will love you back  tongue.gif
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even extra 10k but u love it rite? except soundproof la....

QUOTE(huzaifa136 @ May 14 2012, 11:32 AM)
same with me, especially in an emergency. when want to give high beam, accidently activated wiper wash  tongue.gif
sometimes when quickly hit horn with right hand will also hit tune radio button on steerting  sweat.gif

another thing is, sometimes drove my father's or mother's car and siblings.. all are japanese made or perodua
will need to take few minutes to switch brain logic laugh.gif
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same same.. while driving sis car always switch on the wiper..darn.... my sis also laugh me..haha^^
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post May 14 2012, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(iXora.ix @ May 14 2012, 11:39 AM)
sometimes i use my wiper and my light as my paddle shifter.

haha..  still dreaming why my flx se did not implement the paddle shifter...

my consumption is getting better now adays.. 70% City and 30% highway.

RM 30 can go till 185km (started to blinking)

now adays is so hot so i always using aircond..

not so pain like last time.. haha...

saving up for ultra racing and 3m tinted before hari raya smile.gif
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sweat.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(iXora.ix @ May 14 2012, 11:39 AM)
sometimes i use my wiper and my light as my paddle shifter.

haha..  still dreaming why my flx se did not implement the paddle shifter...

my consumption is getting better now adays.. 70% City and 30% highway.

RM 30 can go till 185km (started to blinking)

now adays is so hot so i always using aircond..

not so pain like last time.. haha...

saving up for ultra racing and 3m tinted before hari raya smile.gif
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buy 3max from mahihi... better stability as its 4 point froint sturt.. and cheaper thn UR~!
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post May 14 2012, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ May 14 2012, 11:45 AM)
buy 3max from mahihi... better stability as its 4 point froint sturt.. and cheaper thn UR~!
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Better no la. Later total loss the car tongue.gif
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post May 14 2012, 11:47 AM

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hmm.gif

I have no switching on wipers issue when I was driving the Akod 2.4 for a day... hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post May 14 2012, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 14 2012, 11:42 AM)
sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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hahaha.. dream only lah bro.. still tak mampun nak pakai preve' lol...

QUOTE(r3apers @ May 14 2012, 11:45 AM)
buy 3max from mahihi... better stability as its 4 point froint sturt.. and cheaper thn UR~!
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i love and trust more with UR .. my mom's exora and my father hilux even my previous myvi fits in with UR from kakimotor Taman Maluri.. haha.. we are regular customer and UR supporter..

Thanks for your suggestion bro smile.gif
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post May 14 2012, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 14 2012, 11:46 AM)
Better no la. Later total loss the car  tongue.gif
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choi choi, i got pasang lar weii.. enuff of total loss lar....

but at least bar might save ur life? ur life important or ur car important?

correct me if i'm wrong~! icon_rolleyes.gif


Added on May 14, 2012, 11:52 am
QUOTE(iXora.ix @ May 14 2012, 11:48 AM)
hahaha.. dream only lah bro.. still tak mampun nak pakai preve' lol...
i love and trust more with UR .. my mom's exora and my father hilux even my previous myvi fits in with UR from kakimotor Taman Maluri.. haha.. we are regular customer and UR supporter..

Thanks for your suggestion bro smile.gif
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haha... mahihi will be very sad lo... even i also using UR tongue.gif

Sorry ar mahihi boss~!

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post May 14 2012, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 14 2012, 10:13 AM)
No idea we had this feature in the CVT. Not sure what purpose it serves, though  blink.gif
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The purpose is to protect the transmission unit, mainly clutch bearing. However, the answer is NOT the entire truth regarding the rear wheel sensor of standing still. The tranny itself should sense of torque distribution between the slipped differential. If u jackup 1 wheel and step on the gas pedal, slipped differential to distribute more on the free wheel to keep the car on the ground.some performance vehicle will limit the wheel spin freely to avoid lose control(most Hondie iVTAC don't allow free wheel spin,not sure about Gaga's CVT though). To simplify this, when u get out from parellel parking, you turn your steering to max right, your right wheel will have less torque, whilst your slipped differential allow more torque slip to the left wheel, then u may get out from the parking easily. Now, imagine if u have an LSD on your ride, think you'll take 1/2hour to park your car laugh.gif

QUOTE(dares @ May 14 2012, 10:51 AM)
Why everytime you do something malu with your car, sure got chick around wan? Kemaluan awak amatlah besar
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Those are the moment more memorable tongue.gif Normally guy laugh I won't give a damn & quickly forget. Those who sit in my passenger seat normally recon I shift very lansily, drive car like very "yeng" that type. Last month whilst my colleague in my car, she was praising me driving style very "yeng", baru I felt damn proud, misplaced 3rd gear to neutral, then RPM goes up "VROOM" tongue.gif

Also, another 1 last week cruising slowly around office,seeking for parking. My hawt chick colleague is walking towards her NEO, I purposely rev up my S4PE to drag her attention so I can park when she get out. "VROOM!" She was looking shocked & pointing at my car. I was damn proud & start waiving my hand, then I hit the brake as I reach her. Than I wash my windscreen with kopi ais tongue.gif left my coffee on the roof baru tapau... doh.gif

Many other sohigh stories with my other cars as well laugh.gif
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post May 14 2012, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(da drummer @ May 13 2012, 11:54 PM)
for bodykit n tinted~i estimated rm1500~a little bit bodykits  i mean like no need 2 change the whole front bumper
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i replied ur pm. but u asked me about changing the whole bumper now. LOL.


QUOTE(kenjilew @ May 13 2012, 11:58 PM)
siuyi ! skirting ~ lols ~
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ah? u want ah?


QUOTE(r3apers @ May 14 2012, 12:36 AM)
SiuYi, faster help ppl... ppl wan nice nice skirting~!
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dun blow me la..i already reply jor.


QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 14 2012, 08:34 AM)
Have been using ISWAGA for few days straight, few things happened when I got back my BLM:

1) Went start the car, then arrange my boot. Got back inside, forgot ady started, turn ignition again laugh.gif "keek!" Sounded like iron scrubbibg tongue.gif off the engine, purposely start again. I purposely kick twice, the 2nd kick nothing happen. So, the detection of starter only limited to the ball bearing starter itself, not from the fly wheel. Summary is, the starter has protection mechanism, will not kick again whilst starter still turning.

2)BLM kosong spec doesn't have seat belt warning?  Or mine sudah koyak?
- kosong dun have

3) Standard exhaust tip located INSIDE bumper, that's why the whole bumber is resonating like a subwoofer box while driving. Next project is to extend the tip out to align with the body length.
- but it is pointed downwards, so doesnt make sense about resonations.

4) Stiffness after adding spring buffer causing speedy bush wear off, partly contributed by oversized 15" wheels. Baru 3 weeks pakai, now foot work already start making noise.
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QUOTE(zeone @ May 14 2012, 10:16 AM)
Re 4), kenot beat yu there...me granduncle driver la...got move 1/10 of yrs happy oledi....haha!

Yup, re turning indicator confusion, me still make same mistake now & then altho ole Saga gone 1yr+ oledi...
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Grand uncle? How old are you? You're the most positive minded forummer I know.

Surely if you were an uncle, life's bitterness would have worn down all that positivity and made you cynical by now. unsure.gif

QUOTE(huzaifa136 @ May 14 2012, 11:32 AM)
same with me, especially in an emergency. when want to give high beam, accidently activated wiper wash  tongue.gif
sometimes when quickly hit horn with right hand will also hit tune radio button on steerting  sweat.gif

another thing is, sometimes drove my father's or mother's car and siblings.. all are japanese made or perodua
will need to take few minutes to switch brain logic laugh.gif
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I find that if I think too much about it, I tend to make that mistake more, but if I just act on instinct, I rarely make that mistake. Funny thing about the human mind. For me lar anyways.

QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 14 2012, 11:54 AM)
The purpose is to protect the transmission unit, mainly clutch bearing. However, the answer is NOT the entire truth regarding the rear wheel sensor of standing still. The tranny itself should sense of torque distribution between the slipped differential. If u jackup 1 wheel and step on the gas pedal, slipped differential to distribute more on the free wheel to keep the car on the ground.some performance vehicle will limit the wheel spin freely to avoid lose control(most Hondie iVTAC don't allow free wheel spin,not sure about Gaga's CVT though). To simplify this, when u get out from parellel parking, you turn your steering to max right, your right wheel will have less torque, whilst your slipped differential allow more torque slip to the left wheel, then u may get out from the parking easily. Now, imagine if u have an LSD on your ride, think you'll take 1/2hour to park your car laugh.gif
Those are the moment more memorable tongue.gif Normally guy laugh I won't give a damn & quickly forget. Those who sit in my passenger seat normally recon I shift very lansily, drive car like very "yeng" that type. Last month whilst my colleague in my car, she was praising me driving style very "yeng", baru I felt damn proud, misplaced 3rd gear to neutral, then RPM goes up "VROOM" tongue.gif

Also, another 1 last week cruising slowly around office,seeking for parking. My hawt chick colleague is walking towards her NEO, I purposely rev up my S4PE to drag her attention so I can park when she get out. "VROOM!" She was looking shocked & pointing at my car. I was damn proud & start waiving my hand, then I hit the brake as I reach her. Than I wash my windscreen with kopi ais tongue.gif left my coffee on the roof baru tapau...

Many other sohigh stories with my other cars as well laugh.gif
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HahaHAHAHahaHAhAHahahAhAHAHa~!! laugh.gif

This post has been edited by +Newbie+: May 14 2012, 01:07 PM
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post May 14 2012, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ May 14 2012, 01:06 PM)
Grand uncle? How old are you? You're the most positive minded forummer I know.

Surely if you were an uncle, life's bitterness would have worn down all that positivity and made you cynical by now.  unsure.gif
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Most positive? Paiseh nia... blush.gif

Me older enuf 2kno that only way 2live Life is by being positive abt watever comes...
Me gone thru "Hell" & back liao!!!:p

Alwaz got good side wan...even if things appear "bad". A matter of perspective. True?

Nothing is gonna change if we insist on being negative. The sun still rises 2moro. And we wld hv wasted the time while feeling -ve. Rite?

We feel the -ve moment. No escape wan. Wat's important is how fast we get over it...
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ps. Sincere apologies for being philosophical there...
Hv a great week, ok? rclxms.gif

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post May 14 2012, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 14 2012, 11:54 AM)
The purpose is to protect the transmission unit, mainly clutch bearing. However, the answer is NOT the entire truth regarding the rear wheel sensor of standing still. The tranny itself should sense of torque distribution between the slipped differential. If u jackup 1 wheel and step on the gas pedal, slipped differential to distribute more on the free wheel to keep the car on the ground.some performance vehicle will limit the wheel spin freely to avoid lose control(most Hondie iVTAC don't allow free wheel spin,not sure about Gaga's CVT though). To simplify this, when u get out from parellel parking, you turn your steering to max right, your right wheel will have less torque, whilst your slipped differential allow more torque slip to the left wheel, then u may get out from the parking easily. Now, imagine if u have an LSD on your ride, think you'll take 1/2hour to park your car laugh.gif
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Kenot brain, why the front wheels wont spin when jacked up has to do with the differential? PM me pls tongue.gif

BTW, if it makes you feel better, the Persona from H-line to B-line sume tader seatbelt warning light thumbup.gif thumbup.gif (actually they have the indicator, but it will not light up wan)....only works for export version.

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