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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V22 - Live or Die

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post May 11 2012, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(hikashi @ May 11 2012, 04:36 PM)
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is the cvt anyhow better than the manual variant?
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CVT of course 'AUTO', means no need to control manually. Hassle free for jam city driving.

Manual, of course have to control manually, you are the boss to control the car. You want it scream also can, want it smile also can. Better FC, slightly better pickup/power due to smaller tranny losses. Suitable for not-so-jam driving condition.
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QUOTE(hikashi @ May 11 2012, 04:36 PM)
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is the cvt anyhow better than the manual variant?
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If live in KL better use auto car.. but for better FC, use manual car.. Ppl always said manual car jimat minyak compare to auto.. But as for cvt, I dunno..
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QUOTE(hikashi @ May 11 2012, 05:36 PM)
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is the cvt anyhow better than the manual variant?
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with CVT you got a slightly a little push forward like a nos/you have another gear when push the button...

manual is different...CVT is AUTOMATIC...manual is manual...
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post May 11 2012, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(kenjilew @ May 11 2012, 03:37 PM)
sure ?
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no la...afterwards dares, V12K, mahihi and others kill me~! laugh.gif
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I never use auto car until recently.. Can I know it is Ok if when I drive fast, I saw red light, still got far distance, and then I change from D to N.. So the car move with N gear..
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QUOTE(mieza @ May 11 2012, 04:52 PM)
I never use auto car until recently.. Can I know it is Ok if when I drive fast, I saw red light, still got far distance, and then I change from D to N.. So the car move with N gear..
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should be alright i think..coz sometimes i also do like tht.. any advice from any sifu here?
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post May 11 2012, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(mieza @ May 11 2012, 04:52 PM)
I never use auto car until recently.. Can I know it is Ok if when I drive fast, I saw red light, still got far distance, and then I change from D to N.. So the car move with N gear..
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I know why u do that, becos u dislike CVT engine breaking rite? laugh.gif

Can do that one, but u need to brake harder, here the brake pad gone...

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post May 11 2012, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(mieza @ May 11 2012, 04:52 PM)
I never use auto car until recently.. Can I know it is Ok if when I drive fast, I saw red light, still got far distance, and then I change from D to N.. So the car move with N gear..
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There are people who advice against that with a CVT powertrain, the same reason why I wont allow the tireman to do on wheel balancing on my front wheels previously (allowing the wheel to spin freely, or coasting in N)

I would advise against doing that, at least until I recieve the reply from Kristof of Punch Powertrain that it is OK to do that.
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 11 2012, 05:01 PM)
I know why u do that, becos u dislike CVT engine breaking rite? laugh.gif

Can do that one, but u need to brake harder, here the brake pad gone...
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I do that to save oil hoho brows.gif
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post May 11 2012, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 11 2012, 05:14 PM)
There are people who advice against that with a CVT powertrain, the same reason why I wont allow the tireman to do on wheel balancing on my front wheels previously (allowing the wheel to spin freely, or coasting in N)

I would advise against doing that, at least until I recieve the reply from Kristof of Punch Powertrain that it is OK to do that.
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i've read a tip from fuelly that for auto car engaging to N doesn't really save fuel, unless u're coasting while in D.
not sure how much better compared to idle N

To Coast in Neutral or Not...
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http://www.fuelly.com/tip/133/To-Coast-in-Neutral-or-Not


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post May 11 2012, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(huzaifa136 @ May 11 2012, 05:22 PM)
i've read a tip from fuelly that for auto car engaging to N doesn't really save fuel, unless u're coasting while in D.
not sure how much better compared to idle N
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Coasting in N removes engine braking ma, so you can coast further compare to D. At least that is the logic la.

EDIT: just read your spoiler, haha that would suck for those who regularly coast in N.

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post May 11 2012, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 11 2012, 05:25 PM)
Coasting in N removes engine braking ma, so you can coast further compare to D. At least that is the logic la.

EDIT: just read your spoiler, haha that would suck for those who regularly coast in N.
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when u engage to N, it's like cutting the engine in a sudden. while coasting in D is a slow process.
now if anyone can confirm how much efficient the engine lower the rev from higher rev to idle from D in say 50-60kmh directly to N
and from D all the way in 50-60kmh slowing to a complete halt to 0kmh with gradual braking.

as we know hard braking is bad for engine coz u r slowing down the engine in a short time..

im no engineer, so just using logic tongue.gif

read on the net about Deceleration Fuel Cut Off.. does IAFM+ hv it?

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QUOTE(mieza @ May 11 2012, 04:52 PM)
I never use auto car until recently.. Can I know it is Ok if when I drive fast, I saw red light, still got far distance, and then I change from D to N.. So the car move with N gear..
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If you want to spend 22k to change gearbox you can do that everyday. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dares @ May 11 2012, 05:14 PM)
There are people who advice against that with a CVT powertrain, the same reason why I wont allow the tireman to do on wheel balancing on my front wheels previously (allowing the wheel to spin freely, or coasting in N)

I would advise against doing that, at least until I recieve the reply from Kristof of Punch Powertrain that it is OK to do that.
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Why during wheel balancing ur wheel is attached to the car?

It should be taken off and put inside a machine to do balancing ma... ohmy.gif
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 11 2012, 05:44 PM)
Why during wheel balancing ur wheel is attached to the car?

It should be taken off and put inside a machine to do balancing ma... ohmy.gif
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yalo.

I also scratching my head when he called me to in form me he's doing that type of wheel balancing...

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post May 11 2012, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 11 2012, 05:44 PM)
Why during wheel balancing ur wheel is attached to the car?

It should be taken off and put inside a machine to do balancing ma... ohmy.gif
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Thats off wheel balancing.

On wheel balancing is where the wheel is attached to the car while being spinned at highspeed with the engine or extenal spinning machine. This kind of balancing yields bette results as it is done at highspeed and take into account the imbalance of the suspension and brakes assembly.


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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ May 11 2012, 05:45 PM)
yalo.

I also scratching my head when he called me to in form me he's doing that type of wheel balancing...

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You dunno what is on wheel balancing meh shakehead.gif

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post May 11 2012, 05:55 PM

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On mostly level roads, coasting in neutral with the engine on is more efficient than driving at a constant speed for longer, then coasting in gear (i.e. engine braking) to slow down.

On downhills, coasting in gear is the most efficient technique if the slope is steep enough to require continuous engine braking (no fuel being used at all).
On lesser slopes coasting in neutral is also highly efficient


if u read in user manual, engaging N while car still moving is not recommended, only change to N while car is not moving.

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QUOTE(dares @ May 11 2012, 05:50 PM)
Thats off wheel balancing.

On wheel balancing is where the wheel is attached to the car while being spinned at highspeed with the engine or extenal spinning machine. This kind of balancing yields bette results as it is done at highspeed and take into account the imbalance of the suspension and brakes assembly.
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Wa, really high tech... rclxub.gif

Normal balancing adi expensive enuf, i think on wheel will cost a bomb, no? hmm.gif

Nvm one la, off wheel more than enuf adi la... tongue.gif

if really want to take into account real factor, then alignment should do with driver inside the car and another go tune at below, because current alignment method din consider driver inside the cabin, when they align finish, once driver get in, the steering will not in perfect position also...and with both passenger in front it will different also...
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 11 2012, 05:56 PM)
Wa, really high tech... rclxub.gif

Normal balancing adi expensive enuf, i think on wheel will cost a bomb, no? hmm.gif

Nvm one la, off wheel more than enuf adi la... tongue.gif

if really want to take into account real factor, then alignment should do with driver inside the car and another go tune at below, because current alignment method din consider driver inside the cabin, when they align finish, once driver get in, the steering will not in perfect position also...and with both passenger in front it will different also...
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expensive meh? i saw a viva doing on wheel balancing with a trolley-like mesin. looks simple to me.
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QUOTE(SiuYi @ May 11 2012, 06:50 PM)
expensive meh? i saw a viva doing on wheel balancing with a trolley-like mesin. looks simple to me.
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SiuYi, prepare for my morning call tmr... brows.gif brows.gif

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