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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Carling Cup Winner,FA Cup Runner Up 2012

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Duke Red
post Apr 17 2012, 03:01 PM

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The problem with switching managers all the time is that success if achieved, is invariably temporary. Both Houllier and Rafa enjoyed moments of success which ultimately ended as dramatically as it had begun. The success of a football club on the pitch should be dependant on the team itself and not it's individual players. Using the mancs as an example, they have managed to continue playing good football despite losing players like Ronaldo, Van Nistlerooy, Beckham, Schmeichel and so on over the years. The team continues to do will even with fringe players in their side. Honestly, how do the likes of Wes Brown, John O'Shea, Johnny Evans and Rafael stack up against anyone of our own? Are they better players?

In the old days, we were just like Man Utd are today. Regardless of which manager came in after Shankly and which players left, we played the same brand of football and we were good. Today, we're still trying to rediscover that winning formula and it doesn't help that each manager has their own preference in terms of how we play, and who we play. The benefit of promoting from the academy is this. That the lads have been playing together for a couple of years and if more and more of them make the grade, we'll have a group of first team players who are already with one another and able to play as a unit rather than a group of individuals just like the mancs class of 92.
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post Apr 18 2012, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(skyz @ Apr 18 2012, 02:11 AM)
i wonder why fans from other team love to post something funny in liverpool thread... this time 19yo kid supporting chelsea... oh ya they must be  feeling threatened... we decide their destiny for the final ucl spot in the league and the domestic cup final...
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Maybe because we constantly claim to be the best fans but behave like everyone else? I can see how others find this comical.


Added on April 18, 2012, 12:04 pmHyper, are u in KK now? Comin over for a meeting. Gonna have drinks there tonight I imagine.

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post Apr 19 2012, 07:43 AM

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Both teams received an allocation of about 31,000 each. Wembley has a capacity of 90,000 so the rest were for the prawn sandwich brigade?

Oh and thanks for the SMS. Just remembered you're in Semporna and not KK. Had a blast as usual though. Partied till 4 and got up at 7. I'll be back during Kaamatan woo hoo

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QUOTE(Adryan @ Apr 19 2012, 08:55 AM)
Brad Jones: Heart as Big as Liverpool

Posted on 17. Apr, 2012 by Liam Tomkins

Rarely has a player who has featured so scarcely for Liverpool become so popular with the Anfield faithful. But Brad Jones, who has kept goal for just 274 minutes since joining in 2010, has found a special place in the hearts of the Kop usually reserved for decorated legends and local lads.

To understand Jones’ popularity on Merseyside we must first learn his story, a tale of much more than football; one which begins with unimaginable grief and suffering.

Brad was a Liverpool player when his son Luca was first diagnosed with leukaemia. You never forget where you were when you received such news; it is permantly etched into your subconscience, ready to be recalled by a picture, a sound, even a smell which was once associated with that place. For Jones, that place was over 10,000 miles from home.

For a year Luca battled bravely to overcome his illness, and the supporters of this football club did what they always do; they rallied around the family, of which they knew very little due to Brad’s relatively low profile and quiet persona.

Messages of support flooded in from the world over, even while the stopper was out on loan at Derby County, but on the 18th November 2011 six-year-old Luca sadly lost his fight, leaving Brad and his girlfriend Dani Lawrence behind, alone in a strange environment.

But they were not alone. Not at all, actually. The extended family that they became a part of when they moved to Merseyside did everything within their power to carry the couple through the most trying of times.

Brad and Dani took to Twitter to keep in touch with those wishing them well, and have continued to do so ever since. At every low point, and there have doubtless been many, the supporters have been there to offer a hand back up.

A bond formed with someone at their most vulnerable is the strongest kind; it is a bond for life, and one which explains the special relationship between Brad Jones and the supporters of Liverpool Football Club.

Fast forward to 10th April 2012, Blackburn vs Liverpool in the Premier League. Doni, Pepe Reina’s deputy, sees red for bringing down Junior Hoilett in the box and Jones rushes on to replace him. This is the first time that the Australian has featured in the Premier League with a Liverbird upon his chest, and his first act is to save a penalty kick.

If only for a moment the clouds that had hung over him for the past 18 months parted, making way for the promised golden sky. He turns around to acknowledge the travelling Kop behind him before looking upwards to send a message to Luca: “that was for you”.

Jones walked away from Ewood Park as a winner in more sense than one, and barely had he time to process it before being thrust into his next match, the biggest of his career to date against Everton in the The FA Cup Semi-Final at Wembley.

He didn’t have an awful lot to do if truth be told, but everything he did, he did with the confidence and assurance of a goalkeeper inspired by the supporters, who cheered his every touch. Sporting the Anthony Nolan charity logo on his gloves, he inspired us too with a show of strength and courage that far exceeded anything most of us will ever be able to comprehend, let alone emulate.

Another victory brought a happy end to a week in which Jones’ girlfriend gave birth to a baby boy, Nico Luca, whose alleigances have already been determined.

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Nico Luca Jones in his first Liverpool kit.

Clearly Liverpool, the city, the football club and its supporters have made a lasting impression on Brad Jones, and he on us.

Wherever life may take him in future the man with a heart as big as Liverpool, and his family, will always have a home to come back to on Merseyside, and the words of this famous anthem will evoke in them emotions which only those who truly connect with the club can ever understand.

http://www.kopsource.com/brad-jones-heart-...g-as-liverpool/
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Nice piece. Thanks for sharing. A very sentimental read. It's picking up on stories like this that differentiates us if you ask me. It epitomizes the spirit of YNWA.

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post Apr 20 2012, 08:07 AM

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Munich Air Disaster being covered on channel 513 now.
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post Apr 20 2012, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(kazuki85 @ Apr 20 2012, 10:05 AM)
A nice gesture from Carragher and LFC to Liverpool-born contestant Hollie Cavanagh in American Idol


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That was really nice. As usual though, I can't make out what Carra is saying biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(chenwfng @ Apr 20 2012, 11:59 AM)
Does anyone know about this Sunday? Stadium Malawati? I think I heard Liverpool legends vs MU legends.

http://redtix.airasia.com/events/EPLMaster...alaysiaCup2012/

What a coincidence, just posted about this here and my friend got me a ticket for the match.
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Yup but sadly, the turnout is usually poor as fans are fixated on the present and not the past. MyRAWK will be going though
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Got a couple more la, I deleted the list. I'll be out of town unfortunately. Take some pics bro.
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post Apr 21 2012, 06:56 AM

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QUOTE(Monstar @ Apr 20 2012, 06:29 PM)
I guessing here:

"Holly I heard you are a big Libpool fan. Me and the rest of the lads would like to wish you good luck."

Should have had King Kenny doing it. Lol
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Kenny can't act. Did you see Will? biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Adryan @ Apr 20 2012, 09:34 PM)
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Ah Chuck Norris stuff that.

QUOTE(ADVedder @ Apr 20 2012, 11:12 PM)
Duke, not coming? aiya.. nev mind, I'll take some pics for you! happy.gif
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Nope I'm off to PD shortly. Snap some nice pics of the flags and banners. Plenty of them during last year's masters. We should outnumber the mancs 3-1 again rclxms.gif


Added on April 21, 2012, 8:47 amHere's something of interest. Mancs should remember this article and the name "Ashley Young" the next time they accuse Suarez of diving. On the hypocrisy, really.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_2215755,00.html

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post Apr 22 2012, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 22 2012, 01:24 PM)
your full quote is 'BOTH Carroll AND Suarez'.
not either or, or either of etc.
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This is correct, and yes, my English is pretty good.
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post Apr 23 2012, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(Adryan @ Apr 23 2012, 07:34 AM)
Definitely. It's the number of goals that matter.  Dominating possession and creating alot of chances may not mean you deserve to win but you should and it gives good indication for the future games. I'll gladly take 1-0 wins from one shot on goal and the opponents having 100 shots and 95% posession but it's not exactly a good indication for the next game, is it?

Maybe Kenny has signed the wrong players, maybe he hasn't set up the best formation every game but the team isn't playing shite, we're creating more chances than the opposition and that has probably happened 75% of the league campaign. How can the tactics not be working but the team musters 10x more shots than the opposition?

Isn't that what every fan wants to see? To see the team play well, create chances and to score goals and win games.You can't say 'his tactics are not working because we are not scoring' cause I really fail to see how the failure of Suarez to score a goal or Henderson deciding to bring his bar hitting skills into the game is becuase of the manager.


I still can't wrap myself around how we ended up on the losing end again. We've now hit the post 30 times, the highest tally of any Premier League club since 2000 and the season isn't over yet. I still believe that all we need to do is to keep trying. You don't come closer to scoring a goal than hitting the post. I think it'd take a brave man to say that if we wouldnt have scored more in 9 out of 10 seasons if we replayed the season that many times. Not much more the manager can do than to find ways for us to create chances. Even Suarez for all his ability has been guilty of missing gilt edged opportunities.

QUOTE(Adryan @ Apr 23 2012, 07:34 AM)
Now, seeing the team in this situation, I'm wondering all those who wanted Rafa sack are feeling. One bad season and everyone called for our best manager in the last 20 years to be sacked. Next time, becareful what you wish for.
If I were to be harsh, I'd say that sacking the manager at this point is a lazy option, and a little near sighted. Not like we've been dominated and outplayed. Like you have said, we have created and played well at home in the majority of our games. We can't expect King Kenny to lace up his boots and put chances away as he did in the old days. We aren't the finished product buy if we keep playing attacking football and dominating the opposition, surely it's just about juggling players around and being more clinical? So let's see what happens during the break. Hmm to think we were linked to Jelavic before he signed for Rangers.

QUOTE(Adryan @ Apr 23 2012, 07:34 AM)
As for Sterling, I heard he has an exam today so that's why he was left out but I'm not sure if that was true.


I wouldn't be caught creaming in my pants yet. He did show some energy and nice touches when he last came on but so did Nabil El-Zhar and Mark Gonzalez. He could be found wanting by more experienced defenders after they figure him out.


Added on April 23, 2012, 9:56 am
QUOTE(digilife @ Apr 23 2012, 09:42 AM)
Mu is your Team, rite?

btw, Mu too sucks more than us last nite  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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This is a foot in mouth statement if any considering they drew and we lost.


Added on April 23, 2012, 10:22 amFood for thought.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1155570...e-major-changes

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 23 2012, 10:58 AM)
Suarez is not clinical enough.  He should take over Kyut's right side.
We need another Fowler/Owen/Rushie type....any thoughts?

Some we cant afford....Tevez, Aguero,
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Well Fowler was pretty clinical during the Masters Tournament. I doubt we'll see a more natural finisher for some time. He has amazing awareness and didn't need to look at the goal to place his shot. I wouldn't want Tevez for all his ability. His attitude and lack of loyalty leaves a lot to be desired. I'd hate to be over-reliant on just one player though. What's more disturbing to me isn't that our forwards aren't finding the mark, it's the lack of contribution from the midfielders. Even Stevie has been hitting it wide of the mark.

QUOTE(hfi @ Apr 23 2012, 11:07 AM)
I watched the el classicos the other day and the difference between their first touch and movement to ours is simply astonishing. We are eons away from playing top quality football. Take last night for example. Despite the chances we created, the overall quality of our football was sloppy.

There was only one passage of play that was brilliantly executed but the rest of the plays looked laborious and forced.

Most of our current players have awful first touch. They take too long to control the ball and by the time they decide what to do with the ball that perfect moment is long gone. I remember Barnes criticized the Malaysian team saying our national team lacks the ability to play one touch football and as a result the overall attacking play becomes laborious - because the forward runners cannot time their run. This is the case with our team now. Suarez is the highlight of our team right now because majority of the time, he makes something our of nothing.

The 09 campaign when we finished 2nd, we had one of the best assembled team that could play one touch football. We had players like Arbeloa, Aurelio, Xabi, Masc, Riera, Gerrard, Benayoun and Torres who all had fabulous first touch. Our general passage of play was fluid and we were cutting through teams like a hot knife through butter. Compare those days and today, our new assembled team lacks the ability to play one touch football. Players like Adam, Downing, Bellamy, Carroll and Spearing just cannot control the ball with their first touch. The new player we've signed who have great first touch are Suarez and Henderson. This is why i'm always giving Henderson the benefit of doubt because for someone his age, he has such a calm presence and possesses a sound technique.

Until we start signing players with impeccable first touch, we can forget about playing the Liverpool's pass and move football.
Two ways of looking at it. We can either buy players who fit the mould which will almost provide instant results or we can mould some of ours into those type of players. The former will potentially be more costly and even then there's no guarantee of immediate results and players still need to familiarize themselves with one another. If we opt for the latter and keep our main crux of players who are still young and therefore can be moulded, it may take some time but they have already built and understanding between them. The team you mentioned above played brilliant attacking football but only towards the tail end of the season we finished 2nd, when we really went for title after losing the lead to the mancs. For some reason, we stopped playing attacking football the next season. It still baffles me until today why we didn't continue playing the way we did when we scored for fun against the likes of Real Madrid, Man Utd, Chelsea, Aston Villa, Blackburn, etc in that final run of games?

Barcelona play some awesome football and I was perplexed to have read that some posters found their possession play boring. Huh? Entertainment value isn't derived only from goalscoring. The fluid passing that Barca displays is really a form of art but one must consider that the likes of Messi, Xavi, Pedro, Busquets and Iniesta who form the core of their midfield have been playing together for years since their days with the Barca B and C sides and know one another like they do the back of their hands. I dare say none in the world can compare at the moment. Maybe we should just buy all 3 of them smile.gif. In years to come, I hope to see our lads in the academy playing pass & move football and graduating to the senior side together.

An instant fix however could to purchase Swansea's midfield trio because statistically, they are up there with the best smile.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 23 2012, 11:46 AM)
I already mentioned last weekend, please stop practising hit the goal post/bar, but hit ball into the net.

The team is playing ok, but not for shooting.
I hope something done on shooting skill, shooting practise.

Don't mean to criticise Suarez, but he is good in dribbling, create chance out of nothing, but not for shooting and conversion.
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Suarez is an amazing player and therefore, our expectations of him will naturally be higher. If I were to really be nitpicky and point out a couple of faults, it would be the following :-

1) He does sometimes remind me of Milan Baros in that when he puts his head down and presses forward, he suffers from tunnel vision, failing to spot teammates in better positions.
2) I don't expect him to score each time he gets a view of the goal, but he really should at least be testing the keeper more often instead of skying the ball.
3) He goes down so easily when staying on his feet might have been more advantageous.

All in all though, he's still been our best player this season.
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QUOTE(hfi @ Apr 23 2012, 12:11 PM)
It is indeed a tricky process to find that perfect player for that perfect system. I really do not know the whole story behind the transfer made by Kenny. Maybe he sees something in them that we don't. I don't even know how he actually sets out his team to play. With Rafa it was easy, it was 4-2-3-1 and we can even guess when he would make his subs. But with Kenny he changes his tactics almost constantly. Not saying it's a bad thing, I just honestly do not know. Which is why i can't condemn him just yet, he obviously hasn't completely settled.

With Barca, i'm with you that i still find them enjoyable to watch even when they don;t score. The movement, the passing - they make it look easy when it's really not. There's this typical Barca move - a player looking away from goal, receives a pass but instead of stopping the ball, he simply turns 180 and puts himself directly towards the goal - at the same time shields it from the opposition and then accelerates towards the goal  - all without even touching the ball and all in one fluid momentum. That kind of technique is almost completely absent in our passage of play. Our players will generally have to stop the ball one way or another before they decide what to do with it. Only Suarez has in his locker to pull it off - which is why he is currently the most valuable player we have in our team right now.

Havign said this, I don't think its completely impossible for us to be at that level. As we were once at that level either back in the 70s or during the time under Rafa. We still have Lucas and Henderson, and technically gifted young players like Suso and Sterling who are still learning the ropes. This summer transfer is going to be very interesting and i'm curious as to see what kind of changes we will make in order to improve ourselves.
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Barcelona move the ball around very quickly. We take almost an age to move the ball laterally across the park, enabling the opposition's defence time to regain their shape. Barca move the ball around so quickly, teams are often caught flat on their feet. Also, their players are constantly making runs off the ball. The only players I see make runs for us are Suarez and Kuyt. More often than not, we'll pass the ball up the park, only to come up against a stone wall, which forces us to pass it all the way back to Pepe sometimes. We do need our players to have more vision with the ball but we also need players who are willing to make runs off the ball even if it's a lost cause, to free up some space for one another. Right now, we look really static whenever we're keeping possession in the opposition half.


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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 23 2012, 01:48 PM)
some shots from last night.

kinda pathetic turnout as expected, and the irritating and stupid Standchart banner.
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Phil Neal leading out the LFC team.
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John Barnes doing the same for the EPL All Stars.
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and of cos Barnes couldnt resist getting in on the action, didnt even bother to remove his Rolex.
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Andy Cole and God taking a breather.
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God with i think the MVP trophy.
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Sweet. I actually got invited to attend tonight's dinner but I've a meeting till 8 and the dinner starts @ 7.30 all the way in Kayel.

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I'm not sure if there is one absolute definition of "tactics" but I have noticed tweaks being made during the game. Let's take the game against Everton as an example. Henderson and Downing switched wings for the entire second half. Teams do this because it's more unfortable for a left footed player like Baines for example to mark a player who keeps cutting across to his weaker right foot. It's kinda like how right handed people tend to instinctively dive to the right. It's also the reason Rafa once played the right footed Arbeloa on the left as Messi likes to drift infield from out wide, which was great for a right footed player like Arbeloa. In the same game against Everton, Gerrard was pushed further forward in the second half. The changes may not have been mind blowing but it did mean we dominated the second half, as opposed to the first half where we hardly mustered a decent attempt on goal. Also, Suarez was pushed into a more central role next to Carroll as opposed to the first half where he received the ball mainly out wide.

I can't go into every game in detail as my memory isn't all that great. Just trying to put across the point that changes in tactics don't always entail the substitution of players.
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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ Apr 23 2012, 05:49 PM)
and those 2 have prove countless of times can score goals...and not to forget kuyt as well


Added on April 23, 2012, 5:51 pm

1 more thing..carrol score one goal..KD was so delighted praising him..cmon man..we payed 35mil for him..thats what he is supposed to do..and remember maxi?? we pay nothing for him..sign him for free transfer..he score 2 goals for us against blackburn..KD never even mention him at all  mad.gif  mad.gif ..he is bias, thats what i think..
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Well there is a lot more pressure for Carroll to deliver and Kenny is trying to do all he can to take as much pressure off him as possible. No pressure whatsoever on the shoulders of Maxi. He's too busy dealing with flak aimed at him to praise each and every player or Agger and Skrtel would surely deserve some credit.
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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ Apr 23 2012, 06:05 PM)
but i think he certainly need to praise Maxi once awhile so that Maxi would feel that he still have a place in the club. but KD did not praise Maxi at all and for Maxi he would certainly feels dissapointed because he never stop giving up fighting for the 1st eleven and when he got the chances he prove his value to the club but no one seems to appreciate him..

im sure if you were Maxi u would feel the same right?
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Maxi has shown that he has a knack for popping up in the right places at the right time, particularly during the latter part of last season. His goals are opportunistic. My only gripe is that he disappears for much of the game. I do however understand the need to phase him out because he isn't one for the future. Prior to signing, he was struggling to break into Atletico's first team. I don't dislike him, I just see why he's being left of the bench. We only see and hear what Kenny says to the players in the media. We have no idea what's said in the dressing room or in the gaffer's room behind closed doors. Having said that, it isn't as though Rafa lavished any praise at all on the lads. Comes own to one's management style in the end.

QUOTE(hfi @ Apr 23 2012, 06:07 PM)
Carroll had been dropped mid season until lately he was given the chance to regain his place and has been scoring crucial goals the last few games or so. Bellamy's strength had always been his pace but his legs arent the same as it were few seasons back. So it makes sense to make Carroll the focal point of the offense and not Bellamy. Yeah its not working great at the moment but you can't find consistency if you keep chopping and changing the tactics. You have to stick to your guns and allow the players to grow into the system.
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Well Bellamy did come on a free so expectations need to be managed. He wasn't signed to score 20 goals for us, but rather, to serve as backup for Carroll and Suarez. Like you quite rightly pointed out, he doesn't have the legs to last the full 90 or to play 2 games in a week as he does rely on his pace which puts a lot of strain on himself.

QUOTE(Adryan @ Apr 23 2012, 06:17 PM)
The team and KD isn't doing alot of wrong. Playing some neat football at times, creating chances but not scoring goals. This isn't helped by the fact we hit the woodwork 30 times in the season!!
Yes. One, two games every 5 is okay to blame on luck but this is a problem but it isn't as though we are not playing well or creating chances. And the major problem is a lack of goalscorer and the midfielders are not helping out in that department either.
Can you imagine if half of those woodwork hits have entered the goal? We'd have 55 goals in the league by now and that is not a bad return and certainly would have won more games.
The margin is very narrow. If even 20% of those went in, we'd be much higher up the table. I hate to use the word, "luck" but when you've hit the post as often as we have, there really isn't much more you can do about it. All Kenny can do is to work out ways we can create chanches, he doesn't have a remote in his hands to guide the ball into the back of the net.

QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 23 2012, 09:36 PM)
Yes & No.
If Distin was not making mistake on back pass which let to 1 v 1 for Suaraz to score, Liv might not able to come back from 1-0, there was no big spark on second half until the Suarez goal which lift the team morale as well as Everton seem totally loss afterwards.
I don't see it is tactical wise that change the game, but a mistake done. Liv offered little threat prior to the goal.

How many times, we see substitution that change the game? I cannot remember.
How many times, we see substitution come to score and win the match? I cannot remember.

Dominate?
Liv dominated a lot of game, but unable to score.
Domination at outside of opponent penalty box and passing around with little clue what to do with the ball.  doh.gif

Yesterday, 30 attempt on goal, 6 on target (even without knowing the score, this already a poor stat to start with 6/30), and zero goal scored.

Liv conversion rate is the lowest now, and league point/performance since 2012 after 4 months is comparable to Wolves.
What is the different between Roy's stat for the half season, compared to second half season of KD in charge after spending so much?  Little.

Everton is above now.
Same point with Fulham
A point above WBA.

Sorry I don't mean to call for KD sacking, but clearly, situation is quite alarming, as it is a relegation form, if continue to play like this into next season.
Cannot continue to say playing well, dominate the game, but keep on fire blank, and unable to win.
Fire blank, the most you can get is 1 point, 1 point out of 38 matches, is a relegation candidate.
How many win at home this season until now? 5 only  doh.gif
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Distin made a mistake but so did Agger and Carra. Canceled one another out really. You're attributing the whole second half revival to Suarez alone whih iMO is a little unfair, ignoring the other changes that were made I mentioned earlier.

Mmm substitutions to change the game? Who on our bench do you see emulating Ronnie Rosenthal? Since we're on the subject, I've seen the introductions of Carroll, Downing, Maxi and Bellamy change the face to of the game. Just because they don't score when they come on doesn't mean they didn't make and impact. Our converstaion ratio is indeed embarrasing but how can the manager make the players hit the back of the net instead of the post?
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 24 2012, 11:22 AM)
Hitting the post is considered off target.
It is not something to be proud of.
Just like passing mark in exam is 60, one get 59, it is still considered "fail", no matter one praise the person score 59 mark for 100 times.
So it is the same in football, hitting the post 100x, is 100x unable to hit the target.

The previous post on skill challenge show, player can hit cross bar it with fairly good accuracy as well.
So manager, coach need to work out serious on it. Hitting goal is one of most important aspect in football, not just to create chance.

KD can do, is work out way to create chance, also must find a way to work out on player when to shoot, when to pass the ball, how to shoot on goal, composure in front

Yes, both side defence at fault, so there is unfair to pinpoint solely on mistaken done by Distin.
But when watching down 0-1 time, I don't have a feeling Liv can create a goal and craft out a goal in the process even dominating possession.
As you have mentioned as well and others, conversion ration is embrassing, you need to create 20-30 goal attempt, that the team may not score as well, there is no excitement when chance come by, because experience tell us, either sky the ball or hit the post, or shooting that make opponent godlike performance.

One is undeniable fact is Liv is having lowest conversion rate and relegation result since 2012 start, and if continue like this into next season, we may be talking on relegation battle next year.
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Goals win games, fact. Hitting the post isn't something to be proud of but it does indicate that we are at least creating opportunities. In the recent past, we struggled to muster any opportunities at all against teams that parked the bus at Anfield. If we were to look purely at the table and end result, I'd agree, no difference. I'm just trying to focus on the positives like we are actually pretty dominant in most of our games despite falling short in the final third. My take is that there isn't a need to make dramatic changes. On any other given day for example, Maxi would have converted his opportunity from 5 yards out against Everton instead of smacking it on the post. Same could be said of Henderson's opportunity against West Brom.

I'd like to be able to create more opportunities for simple tap-ins as well, which is a other way of increasing our goals to opportunities ratio. However thinking back on some of the chances we've had, a good number looked pretty easy to convert. Early in the season for example, Henderson and two opportunities saved by the keeper in one-on-one situations. It doesn't get much easier than that.

For the life of me, I can't explain how we've contrived to miss these opportunities. Suarez was clinical for Ajax and is in good goal scoring form for Uruguay. Stevie has scored some amazing goals over the years but has been totally off the mark off late. Adam seems allergic to Red whenever he takes a corner. Why? I for one am perplexed.

Mmm I think you're being a little harsh by expecting Kenny to have control over when a player should shoot, what he should aim for and when he should pass. Players receive general directions like, "try to cross it to the far post", "try and play it over the top for Suarez", etc but he can't influence the end product. Need to consider that coaches have some influence as well. We let go of our goalkeeping coach because Reina's form has been patchy of late. We also have a striking coach mah.

Kenny had got us playing some wonderful free flowing football at times and if I were to be critical, I'd question if this was a little naive? As much as we dominated against WBA for example, we allowed them a couple of pretty decent opportunities because we were so committed to pushing forward. He needs to learn to win ugly. We need to accept that we cannot go head to head with every team and sometimes, we need to lock the opponent down and wear them out. Instead of throwing a flurry of punches for example, we need to be incisive and ruthless, ensuring that we pick the right moment to throw one killer punch. This is what Mourinho's Chelsea excelled at.

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QUOTE(demio121 @ Apr 24 2012, 11:57 AM)
Now, we spend perfectly good sum on average player that fail to deliver in the name re-building.  We throw our pride away even at home.  We throw away game to chase mickey mouse cup to cover our failure. We spend over 70mil to beat Cardiff over penalty shootour tonwin Carling (the winning prize money not even enough to cover 1 week wage).

70 mil for all that???????? We are staring down another H&G in another few years if we continue to spend to win FA and Carling.
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The bulk of that was spent on Carroll and Henderson, both young players for the future or at least deemed to have the potential to flourish into top players. If we had spent on the likes of say Mario Gomez for example, we may have reaped instant rewards since he is a player in his prime. Instead, we opted to gamble of what may be, not what is. Id agree that it hasn't paid off immediately but our final verdict should not be based on the immediate future simpler because we invested in potential, instead of spending on the finished article.

I'd never belittle a cup win. The romance of cup competitions is that any team has a chance to go on to win it. Even when we had the likes of Fowler, Owen and company in the team, we struggled against the likes of Yeovil and Crystal Palace. We also almost lost against lowly Alaves in the 2001 UEFA Cup Final.
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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ Apr 24 2012, 12:20 PM)
at least he keep popping up in the right place at the right time is better than they keep hitting the crossbar..Maxi may not be the most influential player in the club, but at least he knows how to free himself from defenders and read the ball well, i dont see him as a player who are in the right place at a right time, for me he is basically a player who knows how to read a play and play it perfectly..
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Mmm that's the beauty of football, that we have differring opinions on the same subject. I don't see him doing much else except popping up at the right time. Let's agree to disagree then. I think Suarez and Kuyt are good examples of players who read the game well.

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