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Science Chromosome Count Proves Evolution is Wrong, A Case Study in Pseudoscience

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TSMyDaddy67
post Apr 13 2012, 09:39 PM, updated 14y ago

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I came across these statements in this forum section (http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2176065/+1840#). It seemed that the poster's method of inquiry that seeks to describe, explain, and predict occurrences in the natural world, tends to work backward from desired results. This is also referred as “motivated reasoning.” It indirectly helps in my research to investigate the percentage of Malaysians who are “scientifically illiterate,” despite the profound impact science has on our daily lives. laugh.gif

QUOTE(SalahAdDin @ Apr 13 2012, 12:14 PM)
Chromosome Count Proves Evolution is Wrong

There is no scientific evidence that a species can change the number of chromosomes within the DNA. The chromosome count within each species is fixed. This is the reason a male from one species cannot mate successfully with a female of another species. Man could not evolve from a monkey. Each species is locked into its chromosome count that cannot change. If an animal developed an extra chromosome or lost a chromosome because of some deformity, it could not successfully mate. The defect could not be passed along to the next generation. Evolving a new species is scientifically impossible. Evolutionists prove that getting a college education does not impart wisdom.
Since I’m neither evolutionary biologist nor geneticist, I’m wondering if that is some kind of unscientific thinking masquerading as scientific thinking. Does the thinking appear to be scientific but is, in fact, faithless to science’s basic values and methods? hmm.gif This definition is indebted to Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World, p. 13.

Because pseudo-scientific thinking often looks and sounds like real science, it can be quite hard for non-scientists or casual readers to tell them apart. Luckily, there are certain criteria of pseudoscience that any educated person can use to distinguish it from true science, including the following: unsure.gif

· 1. Does it make claims that are not testable?
· 2. Does it make claims that are inconsistent with well-established scientific truths?
· 3. Does it explain away or ignore falsifying data?
· 4. Does it use vague language that almost anything could be counted as confirming it?
· 5. Does it lack of progressiveness?
· 6. Does it involve no serious effort to conduct research using scientific method?

Our discussion of the case study in this thread is indebted to William D. Gray, Thinking Critically about New Age Ideas (Belmont, CA: Wadsworth, 1991), chap. 5. thumbup.gif
TSMyDaddy67
post Apr 15 2012, 04:42 AM

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 13 2012, 11:39 PM)
Man could not evolve from a monkey would probably be true as there is no scientific truths that claims that. This is more of creationist claim rather than a scientific claim.
Thank you for the findings. You’re resourceful. Now I remember that Killer bees are hybrid of the european honey bee and african bee. blush.gif

At least, I found the probable motive behind SalahAdDin’s reasoning for creationism (see below), much to my dismay. sad.gif Probably through the process of elimination, but I don’t see any causal hypothesis at issue, that any evidence against evolution leads to strong evidence for creationism. shakehead.gif Furthermore, there are multiple other possible origin explanations have been suggested and discussed. ohmy.gif

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What would you say is the very best evidence for creationism?

Creation is one of two possible origin explanations. Both life and everything we see was either created or it evolved by a random process. Consequently, any evidence against evolution is very good evidence for creationism.

Source: Evidence For Creationism
TSMyDaddy67
post Apr 17 2012, 11:36 PM

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As a Case Study, the primary cognitive flaw that marks a belief system or behavior as denialism is moving the goalpost, or always demanding more evidence for a claim than is currently available. When that burden of evidence is met, then the goalpost is moved back further and even more evidence is demanded. As an example, SalahAdDin, who engages in evolution denial, or creationism in this forum section (http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2176065/+1860#), claims that there is no evolutionary species in the genome descent mapping. He uses vagueness in defining the term evolutionary species to move the goalpost. (See key points below) sweat.gif

QUOTE(SalahAdDin @ Apr 17 2012, 10:30 AM)
If man descended from other forms of life, we ought to have the same number of chromosomes, and the DNA count should be the same. But, in this study, you will learn that—even in DNA and chromosome counts—there is no evidence of evolutionary descent. Evolutionary theory is a myth. [Therefore,] it is Allah who created everything; the evidence clearly points to it.

What would be the cause of of the human chromosome "fusing" from 48 to being 46, whilst the ape's chromosome count remains 48, though evolutionists claim humans and apes are from the same gene pool?

Why did the fusion occur in one species yet did not in the other, though both are of the same gene pool?

2000 years ago, humans lived in a more similar environment with apes, as in the jungles, yet apes have yet to "evolve" with the capability of speech and language.
At first, it seems as if SalahAdDin means evolving a new species is scientifically impossible because there is no scientific evidence that a new species can change the number of chromosomes through the interbreed between two extant species or between a descendent species and its ancestor. When such examples are provided, he then moves the goalpost by changing the definition. He then demand specific evidence that if Human is really a new species descended from the Great Ape, then Human should have the same chromosome count as his ancestor, Ape, or the Ape at least, should exhibit a vocalized speech capability like its descendent, Human. hmm.gif

 

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