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post Jan 6 2013, 01:18 AM

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can consuming supplement/whey protein really helps in increasing the pecs size ?
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post Jan 6 2013, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Jan 5 2013, 06:59 PM)
your question shows how little you understand about bodybuilding.
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instead of being scarcastic, can you explain what you mean ? not everyone is really that knowledgable, hence asking here for info.


Added on January 6, 2013, 2:28 pm
QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Jan 5 2013, 11:16 PM)
The only way you can direct the protein to your pecs is by training your pecs.
Not only do you not understand bodybuilding, you don't understand the human body and its construction. Learn how muscles work and how they are built first.
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same goes to you. if i do understand, do you think i will ask such question ? doh.gif you may think im lazy to find out, but isnt asking a first step to learn further ? doesnt mean that you know much more than me gives you the "right" to be scarcastic.

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post Jan 6 2013, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Jan 6 2013, 01:53 AM)
if that so, why do you ask about supplement? how could you get to know about supplementation in the first place? sure, maybe their reply seems a bit sarcastic for you but what they really ask you is to find more about bodybuilding. You jump straight to supplement (the intermediate stuff) without knowing any basics thing.
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did u read my last reply ? what is wrong with asking about supplement ? how do i get to know ? blink.gif i suppose i would ask you back, is there anything wrong for someone that doesnt know much, to ask things not in sequence ?(between basics or intermediate) if you want a person to learn more about the basics, scarcism is not the way forward.

the supplement is sold almost everywhere, including shopping mall(you dont need to be knowledgable to know it is a supplement, the label with the pictures explains it)...

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post Jan 6 2013, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(shadowz @ Jan 6 2013, 02:19 AM)
Eh chill. You would be sarcastic sometimes too when you read the 3516th newbie asking about how the magical and miraculous use of supplements can 'shape body', 'increase muscle', 'gain/lose weight', etc without having taken time to search and read and understand the way you body build and sculpt you physique.

These guys help plenty of people here with good sound advice that regularly gets thrown back in their face for not being what the person wanted to hear oso.

There are thousands of resources that cover the basics of bodybuilding and explain the use/uselessness of whey/mass gainers, and it gets on our nerves when it is obvious no effort was put forth to spend a few measly hours to find that information.

You asked a stupid question, so you got some stupid answers. Being all defensive is not endearing any of us to assist you when your so new you don't even realize what the dumb questions are.
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i could be scarcastic, but i can choose to ask myself why is he asking this question instead of jumping in assumption and shooting scarcastically at this newbie which not just creates misunderstanding, it doesnt help anyone at all.

actually, you are not assiting at all to be frank. so, if you want to speak like you are trying to assist, saying asking stupid question is not the way. as you have said, myself a newbie, how can asking question be stupid ? these guys may have helped plenty of people, does this again give them the license to be scarcastic ? I may be defensive, but it's for the right reasons. if you want to get on your nerve, do you agree it is suddenly your individual problem ?
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post Jan 6 2013, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Jan 6 2013, 07:19 AM)
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It seems that you do really want big time to be spoonfed here. Do compare how habibz84 way of asking question. He come in prepared with info albeit he doesn't really know much of it. Then shadowz here doesn't mind to reply with a wall of text because habibz84 have make his own research.

So, in replying to you. I will give a straight answer. Protein supplement will literally help to increase your pecs size but exercises will. You need to breakdown those chest muscle and the recover it back. This process will make the chest muscle becomes bigger. Exercises will break it down, protein will help them to recover. Supplement is just for supplementating the required amount of protein you need a day.

Now, I guess you would ask in here:

1. What exercises can I do for my chest?
2. What protein supplement is the best?

Am I right?
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alien9,

just a final reply to you. if you want to help, your following reply will help :

So, in replying to you. I will give a straight answer. Protein supplement will literally help to increase your pecs size but exercises will. You need to breakdown those chest muscle and the recover it back. This process will make the chest muscle becomes bigger. Exercises will break it down, protein will help them to recover. Supplement is just for supplementating the required amount of protein you need a day.

the rest is just useless, especially comparing on the way people ask questions. why not you try to compare how people think ? ( i hope you realize that different people think differently, hence ask questions differently though in certain situation they may ask SIMILIAR questions but definitely using different words ). I think let's stop all the really stupid scarcism. that is the more stupid if compare to asking "dumb" question.

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post Jan 6 2013, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Jan 6 2013, 07:29 AM)
So right now you are correcting me? So not even you wanted to be spoonfed but you have this kind of attitude? Well, goodluck in your life.
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alien9, what attitude ? you tell me.

i didnt start the scarcism, i certainly dont know how to ask "clever" questions to make you feel delighted, I didnt ask you to sponfed me everything(that is your assumption), i ask decent questions with no "attitude"...look back at my first question.

alien9, a very honest feedback to you. before you start judging my life, it's best that you look at your own way of talking to me. nobody wants to be treated scarcastically or rudely. I certainly dont ask rude question. however if you feel that im asking stupid questions, then i cant control the way you want to think. that is not my problem. let's take a rest on this.

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post Jan 7 2013, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Jan 6 2013, 08:15 AM)
Dude, I have been replied that way to a question of mine, but not a body building subject. I asked an engineer something that to me SEEMS complicated to me at the time. What I got was "you clearly do not understand the matter at hand", or something along those lines.

I just suck it up and go along and find it out for myself, and noticed that the engineer was right, what I asked was kinda dumb because a few extra days doing research on my own would've avoided me from asking that "dumb" question. The subject became clear to me without his help. It was my own fault for not doing my homework. FYI this ain't BS, happened 8 years ago. I e-mailed that question to that SOB and got that shitty reply, to which I say again that it was kinda dumb of me.  tongue.gif

Moral of the story: Ask the right questions and try to answer it yourself first. It may be simpler than you thought it would be.

For your question, a simple search in Google, like "building pecs" can save you and the rest of us here the trouble.
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you dont get the point do you ?

"I just suck it up and go along and find it out for myself, and noticed that the engineer was right, what I asked was kinda dumb because a few extra days doing research on my own would've avoided me from asking that "dumb" question. The subject became clear to me without his help. It was my own fault for not doing my homework. FYI this ain't BS, happened 8 years ago. I e-mailed that question to that SOB and got that shitty reply, to which I say again that it was kinda dumb of me. tongue.gif" - if you know, you wouldnt have ask that question right ? when you were asking that question, DO YOu KNOW IT WAS DUMB ? and more importantly, even if it was dumb, was there a need to be scarcastic ?


Added on January 7, 2013, 12:39 am
QUOTE(shadowz @ Jan 6 2013, 08:28 AM)
I just loooooove escalation~

You do NOT have a good reason to be defensive as you claimed earlier. You should accept that as a newbie coming on here with NO EFFORT put forth whatsoever to learn the most basic information that others may mock you. And then you put forth no endearing responses to encourage understanding and sincere appreciation for those that might educate you.

Anyway, they answered your question and got the message across didnt they? Hahahahaha laugh.gif

Like I said, there are thousands of resources available at your fingertips. You were the one who made the choice to come here empty handed then get all puffed up about how we are arrogant and sarcastic.

Boo hoo.

Guess what. Plenty of these men and women are arrogant bastards but they earned the occasional right to be such with their time, sweat and effort. They have probably made mistakes, taken time to further educate themselves and kept on trekking even as they might have been laughed at for stumbling.

There was nothing wrong with your question at all. However, their statements were also not out of place because it was TRUE. It was not false. They made the statement you knew next to nothing and you don't. But for whatever reason you feel all defensive because we were apparently supposed to cuddle you and be all 'Ohhh someone who knows nothing, how wonderful' and we didn't.

And no, I wasn't trying to be helpful as in answering your question. Like I said: It was a stupid question.

I was trying to bring to your attention how your immature defensiveness and unearned pride is not going to win you any esteem or favours here. cool.gif

I suggest you go educate yourself so any further questions you might have in regards to bodybuilding will be less likely to be met with oh so hurtful sarcasm and mockery whistling.gif

P/S: Great way to thank alien for actually taking time to answer your question. Such wonderful behaviour for us to follow. Such humility! Such modesty! I am awed~ rolleyes.gif
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gosh, are you a drama queen laugh.gif

you see, no matter how long you typed, it just comes back to a very simple language, Im not sure why you need to type until an essay long. shocking.gif

when someone asked question, you dont have to act like a ******* just because you have the "content" and experience, but simply just answer in humility what that person wants, irregardless of how stupid the question was. But, i pity you that you have to define some questions as stupid when you dont even know what the other person not understand or trying to see the bigger picture.

"I was trying to bring to your attention how your immature defensiveness and unearned pride is not going to win you any esteem or favours here." - this is a forum, I dont come here to get attention(basically people who likes to be scarcastic and arrogant bastards are hungry for this), only information.

The ironic thing is, as you have said if it is a stupid question, then the people who have responded to that stupid question(be it an information or not) indeed are more stupid. why ? they have decided to waste their time in a scarcastic manner which doesnt favour anyone at all. if it's stupid, why bother ? laugh.gif

dont worry about me being hurt, worry more for those here that their pride and arrogance are being shoot down just because they have found someone "who dont know how to ask clever question". laugh.gif Dont be mistaken, the pride doesnt comes from a person that asks a decent question that are being define as "stupid".

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post Jan 7 2013, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Jan 6 2013, 11:47 AM)
@david_lynn, please compare between these three new questions in H&F.
See the difference between the way these three people including you asking the question?

1. You david_lynn didn't make any homework regarding your question, didn't even put a single effort in it at all.
2. zeronova here, well, see for yourself (and I'm gladly help him).
3. habibz84, even his question is the same as you, but he didn't ask that dumb question just like you. He infact put some effort in telling his info.

So, you put no effort in asking question and this is my first ever reply to you is
Does this an answer for you? So why did you must make a hassle here talking about how we all treat you just like a baby where I've already give you a straight up answer and you didn't even acknowledge it. Should I type it with more effort?

If only one person is replying sarcastically to you, then it is his problem. But two people and another 2 condemned you. Do you still feel that you are right?

Why do you just take something from here and just move along. Don't create any more drama in here. We don't need one. If you wanted to be patted, hug, spoonfed, then bodybuilding ain't your thing. Just move along. You are making a mess here.
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alien9,

can you tell me why does anyone here when ask a question need to do comparison ? doh.gif i ask what i need to know, i dont ask based on what other people ask ! I think there's some common sense problem with you. no offence, but we are afterall different people with different perspectives(or knowledge) and want to know different things to fulfill different aspect

"So, you put no effort in asking question and this is my first ever reply to you is
Does this an answer for you? So why did you must make a hassle here talking about how we all treat you just like a baby where I've already give you a straight up answer and you didn't even acknowledge it. Should I type it with more effort? " - did i reply directly to you saying the quoted ? then tell me what kind of acknowledgement you need ?

If only one person is replying sarcastically to you, then it is his problem. But two people and another 2 condemned you. Do you still feel that you are right? - since when do i need to care about how other people think about me when i want to ask something im not familiar with ?

"Why do you just take something from here and just move along. Don't create any more drama in here. We don't need one. If you wanted to be patted, hug, spoonfed, then bodybuilding ain't your thing. Just move along. You are making a mess here." - excuse me, dont turn the table around and accuse me. The drama is definitely not started by myself. you gotta open your eyes. and you gotta stop your assumptions man, i dont need to be hug, patted or whatever it is...i think you started to sound like one. I ALREADY said to put a stop to this, but you keep replying ? hmm.gif

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post Jan 7 2013, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(shadowz @ Jan 6 2013, 12:33 PM)
Because we loooooooooove receiving your words of wisdom  wub.gif wub.gif
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whistling.gif hellooo
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post Jan 7 2013, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Jan 6 2013, 12:42 PM)
You know why? Because you get what you should get for. You ask that kind of question, then that is the answer that you should get. You didn't work hard for something, then you fail to achieve it and that is what you should get.

Isn't it obvious? You get what you earn.
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alien9, i notice that you are getting stucked at this. can you stop the reasoning anymore ? it's getting a bit silly and childish.
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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Jan 6 2013, 09:34 PM)
Then you didn't get mine.
The main point was trying to find the answer for yourself first. I made a fool of myself in the end because I didn't spend more time doing my own research. Yes I didn't know it was dumb...but then I didn't know it was that easy to figure out for myself. Yes, that response did wake me up, and it should for everyone else. It can make us be better THINKERS. I'm glad I got that shitty reply. It made me see that things can just APPEAR to be more difficult than it seems. Our replies weren't even hostile. It's what an annoyed teacher would reply to a student who wouldn't study, and that student is you. Try and type your question in google, and links to supplements wouldn't come up, it's links to pecs workout. Even Google would correct you, a lifeless search engine.

Yeah people ask stuff that's beyond their understanding...but please, learning how muscles are built is like learning how 2+2 becomes 4. You don't even understand the VERY BASIC of muscle building - training a muscle and then feeding it makes it grow. 2 hours on Google, 2 hours, that's all it takes to read up on muscle building.
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enough said. wink.gif
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post Jan 7 2013, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Jan 7 2013, 03:51 AM)
Sure, highlight things that don't tell the whole story, that'll make you smarter.
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since everyone here are expressing how "experience" they are, im expecting you to be able to have the intelligence to see things more better ? it doesnt tell the whole story, but one can always read the postings ? blink.gif
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post Jan 7 2013, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Jan 7 2013, 06:30 AM)
And if one were to see my whole post then they'd see how you have, again, made a fool of yourself.
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tunertoobe,

whether they want to judge me as a fool or not, up to them. but i suggest you keep your scarcastic reply off shore. you wont get any recognition or gold by doing that. and i wont be bothered to become "clever" in asking questions.

 

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