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post Jun 7 2012, 11:49 PM

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Does consuming creatine with or after a meal reduce its efficacy? Is it best taken during an empty stomach?

Before I get flamed just like the guy in the balls-shrinking thread laugh.gif, let me clarify that my question stems from the experience that pre-workout energy boosters such as White Flood don't work when combined with food.

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post Jun 7 2012, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Jun 7 2012, 11:51 PM)
Dude, what all the forumers are replying in that thread is all legit.
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Dude lol, yeah, and I happen to be fond of that side effect.
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post Jun 7 2012, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Jun 7 2012, 11:55 PM)
I guess this article would give a brief comprehension about creatine no?
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dimaggio2.htm
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Theoretically insulin spike would help 'shuttle' it.... But I have so much food in my stomach right now I wonder if absorption will be hindered (as in the White Flood case I mentioned above). But yeah who cares, just gonna down it and go to sleep. Adios. biggrin.gif

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post Jun 8 2012, 08:44 PM

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Totally unable to reply that question even after analysing from multiple angles.
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post Jun 14 2012, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(-Dan @ Jun 14 2012, 06:43 PM)
EGOnutritions. Next time search the thread. It's not rocket science.
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So far the cheapest I've found would be Dymatize 1kg (RM110) from bodybuildingasian with free shipping.

Egonutrition carries Universal Nutrition (RM118), and Ultimate Nutrition (RM113) not inclusive of shipping.

The one by Universal Nutrition is Creapure®, wonder if it's worth the extra few bucks?

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post Jun 15 2012, 01:06 AM

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QUOTE(pedro @ Jun 14 2012, 07:14 PM)
Tried both UN.

Didn't find any difference whatsoever.
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Thanks for the input. I guess there's no significant difference after all.

QUOTE(-Dan @ Jun 14 2012, 07:24 PM)
Just noticed EGO has stopped listing their 1kg creatine on the site. Next best thing is 500g at RM54, which is still the cheapest.
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Actually the next best option would be Dymatize micronized from bodybuildingasian with free shipping at RM110.

Then comes the ego creatine if preference is with 500g.

QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Jun 14 2012, 07:52 PM)
Thanks mate! smile.gif Btw, I'm the Taylor-ian that said hi to in college a while ago.
Thanks, unfortunately there's no stock for Egonutrition's Universal Creatine. So I'm getting from Bodybuildingasian. biggrin.gif
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Don't forget to consider the 500g as seen with tineagle's choice below

QUOTE(tineagle @ Jun 14 2012, 11:46 PM)
500G of creatine lasts me a good period of time.  EGO creatine at RM54 is still the best choice for me.
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post Jun 15 2012, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Jun 15 2012, 01:19 PM)
Just an update. Decided to get from fellow LYN-er called YoNgZ. No doubt it's pricier but he has stock in hand whereas "Bodybuildingasian" doesn't show ready stock in website and read about other LYN-ers comments bout his unreliable service. sad.gif Thanks again mates! biggrin.gif
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I just got my creatine from them recently. You gotta sms to check stock. No problem, and reached the next day (or probably the day after).
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post Jun 17 2012, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(choon hon @ Jun 17 2012, 06:40 PM)
Hey guys, I have just started gyming for 2weeks plus. I'm 20, 170cm and i weigh about 60kg only. Could you guys recommend me any supplement that is suitable for me ? I don't plan to be super huge but i would like a nice lean body. Thanks guys in advance.

Ask a few LYN sellers, they recommend Golitah Mega Gain or AAB XXL. What do you guys think about this ?
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Creatine, glutamine, fish oil, multivitamin, and whey protein blend for pre & post workout.

QUOTE(alien9 @ Jun 17 2012, 07:28 PM)
You just started 2 weeks ago and you asked about supplements? You asked the wrong questions.
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I started on creatine after the first week tongue.gif

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post Jun 17 2012, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(swks26 @ Jun 17 2012, 08:17 PM)
You can drop the glutamine to save some monies.
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Yeah it's not really needed, but can aid in gastrointestinal health and muscle recovery.
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post Jun 17 2012, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(DJJD @ Jun 17 2012, 08:48 PM)
Leucine is the important supplement. Probably better than creatine IMO.
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Hmm, just read it up. Looks like a good supplement to add on to a pwo shake.

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They found that the carbohydrate/protein/leucine supplement reduced protein breakdown and increased skeletal muscle protein synthesis to a greater degree than the carbohydrate/protein supplement and to a much greater degree than the carbohydrate only supplement.


http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne39.htm
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post Jun 17 2012, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(DJJD @ Jun 17 2012, 08:48 PM)
All I know is, Animal Nitro was more effective for me personally than creatine.
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Don't they work differently?
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post Jun 17 2012, 09:25 PM

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Come to think of it, which one would be more cost effective for consuming post workout,

amino acids + high gi carbs

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protein blend + high gi carbs

I personally start consuming a protein blend mixed with milk before, and into my workout to give it the extra digestion time needed.

Now after some reading seems as though this might not be as effective as amino acids in stopping catabolism.

So having that in mind, would it more cost saving if amino acids are used instead, considering their efficacy.
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post Jun 17 2012, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Jun 17 2012, 09:40 PM)
I would say BCAA because if you look at leangains, you are going to be working out in fasted state (16 hours calorie fasting) and obviously, during that period, our muscle will start to breakdown and even into training, it will breakdown more as the is no protein source available in the body. So, it is highly recommended to consume maximum of 10g BCAA 5 to 15 minutes prior to workout in order to reduce muscle breakdown effect (catabolic effect).
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I usually workout in the morning, but I consume a 700 kcal breakfast about 1.5 hours before.
The protein sources during breakfast are 1 cup of milk, 3 eggs, and 14g of protein blend.

Right before the workout, I take half a serving of another 14g protein blend mixed with 1 cup of milk.
The other half is slowly consumed during the workout itself.

(Followed by a solid meal one hour later)

Not sure if the entire combo is enough to stop catabolism.

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post Jun 18 2012, 01:33 AM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Jun 18 2012, 12:41 AM)
If you consume enough protein daily and have calorie surplus, the answer will be yes.


Added on June 18, 2012, 12:42 am
What do you mean by issues with catabolism? Mind sharing with me?
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It should mean that his was still seeing good growth.
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post Jun 18 2012, 02:08 AM

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Got a PM from choon hon, I thought I should post it out here since it would benefit anyone who wanted to ask the same questions.

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Hey, from what you said i need whey protein for pre and post workout? Any recommendations on which brand that is good?

One question though, im 170 cm but im only 60kg, dont i need to gain weight as well?

Sorry if i'm asking silly questions as i'm still a beginner .


Below was my reply, do correct me if there are inaccurate points, or where it needs reinforcement.

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post Jun 18 2012, 02:15 AM

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QUOTE(DJJD @ Jun 18 2012, 12:10 AM)
They do work differently.

But with a lot of bb supps you need to cut through the hype. For me personally, I saw little difference with creatine but leucine really gave me a huge boost in recovery and post workout appetite.
With creatine I suppose you mean you found little difference in size and strength/intensity?

The effect with leucine in terms of recovery I would understand as it's an amino acid.

QUOTE(DJJD @ Jun 18 2012, 12:10 AM)
Should be enough.

Fears of catabolism are overblown. IMHO.

I trained for 3 years first thing in the am. With a breakfast of a PB sandwich and a pwo protein shake + carbs fuelling me until early lunch at 11 and never had issues with catabolism.
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Okay. Shouldn't be a problem for me then since you were seeing good gains with that!
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post Jun 18 2012, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Jun 18 2012, 09:11 AM)
That would be more than what leangains recommended and IMO that should be enough. The reason why the need to consume BCAA instead of protein blend, eggs, any protein source before lifting is that the need to workout in fasting condition.
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Thanks for the confirmation. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(DJJD @ Jun 18 2012, 09:18 AM)
Yeah.

With creatine:
Little change in terms of growth rate (eating more or less the same pre/post creatine).
No change in terms of strength (gains still slowed as expected since was nearing a "peak" over the 6-mth period I was taking creatine).

Maybe a little change in recovery? But definitely too little to be directly quantifiable to the creatine. So its hard to say.

Disclaimer: I try to eat plenty of red meat though - Pork (Cheap and good)/ Beef / Lamb whenever avail. so maybe that attributes to the lack of effect on me.

For our muslim forumers, creatine may be more useful especially if surviving on diet of chicken+fish since beef costs a lot. I couldn't say personally.

Also, I took egonutritions creatine - the cheapest brand. Maybe the import brands would be better due to being purer/other ingredients added? Can't say.
As always - with supplements its kind of a mix of arts and science.
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Looks like you're already getting enough creatine through your high consumption of red meats. That could explain why you didn't notice any difference. And yeap, supplementation needs to be assessed based on individual needs, otherwise it'd just be a waste of money.

QUOTE(alien9 @ Jun 18 2012, 01:28 PM)
What's the different between Animal Nitro and UN EAA? Both of them are Essential Amino Acids right? If you do like Animal products, why don't you tried Animal Creatine? And btw, where do you get your stock?
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I don't think he needs creatine anyway since he gets alot from his diet.
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post Jun 19 2012, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(mazer6446 @ Jun 19 2012, 11:44 AM)
can u guys suggest me the best whey out there in the market?
i haveused nitro-tech,dymative,scivation, syhta-6 and newest one, myofusion prebiotic...
i have problem with myofusion, my stomach full of gases, fart a lot! daymmm!
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Are you looking based on function or taste? I am not familiar with brands, but coming from a functional ingredients point of view, if you're looking solely for post workout function (i.e. stop catabolism), whey isolate would be the best. If you're looking beyond whey, amino acids would do even better. Beyond that price range, you will be looking at peptides.
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post Jun 20 2012, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(mazer6446 @ Jun 20 2012, 09:57 AM)
I'm looking based on function, recovery time and also the result!.. in term of taste.. i just telan! everything.
What do you think of Universal nutrition Ultra Whey Pro?
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By function only, a few posts ago DJJD commended Animal Nitro. Combine that with grape juice post workout on an empty stomach.

And having looked at the ingredients of UN Ultra Whey Pro, I guess all brands are almost the same in giving you a quality product.

It's just up to you to decide if you want a blend or isolate, whether you want carbs within, the taste, and other fanciful ingredients. For me, the aspartame in Ultra Whey Pro sounds unappealing.

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post Jun 25 2012, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Jun 25 2012, 02:37 PM)
Basket a lot of you guys are on pre workouts huh? Damn I should try it once and see how good are the results
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Yeah you should definitely try it. But do keep it mind that, though rare, there is a possibility that you might not respond to a particular product.

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