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Campro CFE (Proton Preve)

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138 HP
205 Nm (2000 rpm to 4000 rpm)


THP 150 (Peugeot 308 Turbo)

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156hp @ 6000rpm
240Nm @ 1400rpm

2.0 litre engine (Honda Civic)

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155 HP
190 Nm (4300 rpm)

3ZR-FE (Toyota Corolla 2.0)

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146 PS
187Nm (3,600 rpm)

MR20DE (Nissan Slyphy)

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133PS
191 Nm (4400 rpm)

1.6 litre Ecoboost (Ford Focus)

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150 PS


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Fuel consumption?
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Any other engine?
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post Apr 10 2012, 10:38 PM


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QUOTE(bugijun @ Apr 10 2012, 10:34 PM)
Fuel consumption?
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Not fully known.

QUOTE(maxpudding @ Apr 10 2012, 10:35 PM)
Any other engine?
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post Apr 10 2012, 10:39 PM


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wtf compare with N/A

from that figure, each engine is tuned for different purpose edy
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QUOTE(megahertz @ Apr 10 2012, 10:39 PM)
wtf compare with N/A

from that figure, each engine is tuned for different purpose edy
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what to do.. kampong ppl mah.. laugh.gif
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post Apr 10 2012, 10:40 PM


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but civic engine can go 250km/h can preve do that?
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Seems like a good buy

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QUOTE(gengkey01 @ Apr 10 2012, 10:40 PM)
but civic engine can go 250km/h can preve do that?
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180 km/h limited.. but higher torque to compare with others
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post Apr 10 2012, 10:43 PM


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last time before BLM came out also so much talk about engine la.

last last BLM is quiet a shitty engine.
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post Apr 10 2012, 10:44 PM


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toyota engine seems gooding at low end torque
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post Apr 10 2012, 10:45 PM


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1.6 peugeot 308 turbo
http://www.peugeot.com.my/media/deliacms/m.../458-57e854.pdf

156hp @ 6000rpm
240Nm @ 1400rpm

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post Apr 10 2012, 10:46 PM


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on paper, yes.

let's judge on real life when it's out.
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post Apr 10 2012, 10:46 PM


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kampung,please compare with pug 508 also,since it also 1.6T with big body
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post Apr 10 2012, 10:47 PM


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QUOTE(<Ultraman> @ Apr 10 2012, 10:43 PM)
last time before BLM came out also so much talk about engine la.

last last BLM is quiet a shitty engine.
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yup BLM engine quit shity,but thats low-entry wan,this is high-end
drive first CFE la doh.gif
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post Apr 10 2012, 10:53 PM


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How about 4A-GE Black Top..?? hmm.gif hmm.gif

165 PS (121 kW) at 7,800 rpm with 16.5 kg·m (162 N·m) of torque at 5,600 rpm.

1.6L N/A
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post Apr 10 2012, 10:55 PM


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QUOTE(KKLOO @ Apr 10 2012, 10:53 PM)
How about 4A-GE Black Top..??  hmm.gif  hmm.gif

165 PS (121 kW) at 7,800 rpm with 16.5 kg·m (162 N·m) of torque at 5,600 rpm.

1.6L N/A
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Unfortunately that one is a discontinued engine nod.gif
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post Apr 10 2012, 10:56 PM


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QUOTE(KKLOO @ Apr 10 2012, 10:53 PM)
How about 4A-GE Black Top..??  hmm.gif  hmm.gif

165 PS (121 kW) at 7,800 rpm with 16.5 kg·m (162 N·m) of torque at 5,600 rpm.

1.6L N/A
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cant compare with that old engine, emission lvl will not meet the requirement.
same with old Vtec, B16X etc
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QUOTE(KKLOO @ Apr 10 2012, 10:53 PM)
How about 4A-GE Black Top..??  hmm.gif  hmm.gif

165 PS (121 kW) at 7,800 rpm with 16.5 kg·m (162 N·m) of torque at 5,600 rpm.

1.6L N/A
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the ones with VVTi-L made by yamaha.. thumbup.gif
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post Apr 10 2012, 10:57 PM


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QUOTE(megahertz @ Apr 10 2012, 10:56 PM)
cant compare with that old engine, emission lvl will not meet the requirement.
same with old Vtec, B16X etc
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Actually I shouldn't put Ecoboost in that list, knowing that Ecoboost will not be available in Malaysian market Ford Focus that will be coming soon laugh.gif
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post Apr 10 2012, 10:59 PM


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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Apr 10 2012, 10:57 PM)
Actually I shouldn't put Ecoboost in that list, knowing that Ecoboost will not be available in Malaysian market Ford Focus that will be coming soon  laugh.gif
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1.6 ecoboost no, but we got 2.0 ecoboost in ford mondeo and S-max here

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post Apr 10 2012, 11:00 PM


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QUOTE(ar188 @ Apr 10 2012, 10:56 PM)
the ones with VVTi-L made by yamaha..  thumbup.gif
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that one 3s-gte yamaha beams on altezza right?
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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Apr 10 2012, 11:00 PM)
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that one 3s-gte yamaha beams on altezza right?
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i was refering to the celica 1.8 one but i think maybe yeah altezza also yammy made right?
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Apr 10 2012, 11:00 PM)
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What about below engines? brows.gif

Its got N.A and even got Turbo with unlimited flexibility of valve strategy - in other words, any valve lift at any time.

Its got 1.4L(4 cylinder), 0.9L (2 cylinder). And currently in homologation by Malaysian JPJ for 1.4L model that will be brought in.

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Apr 10 2012, 11:01 PM)
i was refering to the celica 1.8 one but i think maybe yeah altezza also yammy made right?
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Added on April 10, 2012, 11:16 pmif u guys notice,all new pug model also only 1.6,even the RCZ
508 got turbocharged

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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Apr 10 2012, 11:15 PM)
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Added on April 10, 2012, 11:16 pmif u guys notice,all new pug model also only 1.6,even the RCZ
508 got turbocharged
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BM also abit liddat 2L turbo sapu their new model lineup. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(megahertz @ Apr 10 2012, 10:39 PM)
wtf compare with N/A

from that figure, each engine is tuned for different purpose edy
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i think he's showing bang for buck, not a comparison from engines of the same category
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post Apr 10 2012, 11:22 PM


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QUOTE(FormalCat @ Apr 10 2012, 11:21 PM)
i think he's showing bang for buck, not a comparison from engines of the same category
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the title is CFE vs other engines
yea rite, u r genius

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Proton CFE is a turbocharged normal Campro engine right? Not Campro CPS?
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QUOTE(jimbet1337 @ Apr 10 2012, 11:23 PM)
Proton CFE is a turbocharged normal Campro engine right? Not Campro CPS?
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CFE is turbocharged,with campro engine with strengthened crankshaft & piston,yup its not CPS
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post Apr 10 2012, 11:27 PM


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so many threads, proton salesman don't need to work already.. It's never good to over promote a product
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QUOTE(replymela @ Apr 10 2012, 11:27 PM)
so many threads, proton salesman don't need to work already.. It's never good to over promote a product
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so many threads, proton salesman don't need to work already.. It's never good to over promote a product
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try the CFE first & compare with your C200 CGI(1.8 turbocharged) brows.gif
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please advice noob here. Campro cfe better than campro inside persona kr not? Because persona pickup is slowwwwwww , and not even comparable to gen2 pickup (campro cps)
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QUOTE(pikacu @ Apr 10 2012, 11:30 PM)
please advice noob here. Campro cfe better than campro inside persona kr not? Because persona pickup is slowwwwwww , and not even comparable to gen2 pickup (campro cps)
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campro CFE & campro inside persona share some common designs & some parts
but diff on crankshaft & piston,& some minor design change on the block to support more lubricant flow, this to support added tolerance against effects being introduced by turbocharged usage
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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Apr 10 2012, 11:29 PM)
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try the CFE first & compare with your C200 CGI(1.8 turbocharged) brows.gif
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it's c250 mad.gif 204hp smokes it la tongue.gif anyway this is a new engine.. See how it goes, even current korean cars have problems what more proton
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QUOTE(replymela @ Apr 10 2012, 11:34 PM)
it's c250 mad.gif 204hp smokes it la tongue.gif anyway this is a new engine.. See how it goes, even current korean cars have problems what more proton
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fuuu c250 sweat.gif
but im stil hoping the CVT GB can improve in the future to support more potential mods for this CFE engine
more likely if possible for punch to introduce submerged twin-plate clutch for more tolerance againts added torque
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Campro CFE (Proton Preve)
138 HP
205 Nm (2000 rpm to 4000 rpm)
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THP 150 (Peugeot 308 Turbo)
156hp @ 6000rpm
240Nm @ 1400rpm

campro to reach 205Nm need 2k to 4k rpm. More fuel

308T only require 1.4k to reach 240Nm.

In term of FC, campro is out
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QUOTE(megahertz @ Apr 10 2012, 11:22 PM)
the title is CFE vs other engines
yea rite, u r genius
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QUOTE(vexus @ Apr 10 2012, 11:39 PM)
Campro CFE (Proton Preve)
138 HP
205 Nm (2000 rpm to 4000 rpm)
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THP 150 (Peugeot 308 Turbo)
156hp @ 6000rpm
240Nm @ 1400rpm

campro to reach 205Nm need 2k to 4k rpm. More fuel

308T only require 1.4k to reach 240Nm.

In term of FC, campro is out
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cannot compare proton preve with 308T since diff in weight

from boot volume alone already know both are diff in size & weight, 308T boot only 430litre,while preve's boot is 508litre
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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Apr 10 2012, 11:39 PM)
fuuu c250  sweat.gif
but im stil hoping the CVT GB can improve in the future to support more potential mods for this CFE engine
more likely if possible for punch to introduce submerged twin-plate clutch for more tolerance againts added torque
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maybe can longitudinal mount the CFE and punch into your E36.. maybe can fly!! brows.gif
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QUOTE(vexus @ Apr 10 2012, 11:39 PM)
Campro CFE (Proton Preve)
138 HP
205 Nm (2000 rpm to 4000 rpm)
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THP 150 (Peugeot 308 Turbo)
156hp @ 6000rpm
240Nm @ 1400rpm

campro to reach 205Nm need 2k to 4k rpm. More fuel

308T only require 1.4k to reach 240Nm.

In term of FC, campro is out
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I thought 205 Nm is the flat torque figure throughout 2k to 4k rpm ?
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maybe can longitudinal mount the CFE and punch into your E36.. maybe can fly!!  brows.gif
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every day your avatar around with your black bavarian .. i want to see your car la.. look shiok.. brows.gif
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most car manufacturers are turning into force induction to meet the emissions regulations of the EU so it is not weird seeing they are downsizing engince capacity and opting for force induction. some say even F1 cars will be going back to the 1970s way of turbocharged monsters.
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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Apr 10 2012, 11:45 PM)
cannot compare proton preve with 308T since diff in weight

from boot volume alone already know both are diff in size & weight, 308T boot only 430litre,while preve's  boot is 508litre
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then proton turbo is nothing compare to others !!!! It is a piece of failure engine. Lets compare with VW polo 1.4 Tsi

Max power: 132 kW (180 hp)

Max power RPM: 6200 rpm

Max torque: 250 Nm

Max torque RPM: 2000 rpm


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QUOTE(megahertz @ Apr 10 2012, 10:39 PM)
wtf compare with N/A

from that figure, each engine is tuned for different purpose edy
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Peugot 308 turbo = turbo

the others is N/A but still the CC is way bigger
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QUOTE(vexus @ Apr 11 2012, 08:03 AM)
then proton turbo is nothing compare to others !!!! It is a piece of failure engine. Lets compare with VW polo 1.4 Tsi

Max power: 132 kW (180 hp)

Max power RPM: 6200 rpm

Max torque: 250 Nm

Max torque RPM: 2000 rpm
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Polo 1.2 tsi bang... and that cost 112k

No other car offer force induction engine below 100k that met the euro 5 emission standard, except Proton.
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QUOTE(gengkey01 @ Apr 10 2012, 10:40 PM)
but civic engine can go 250km/h can preve do that?
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Its more than that act

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Apr 11 2012, 08:13 AM)
Polo 1.2 tsi bang...  and that cost 112k

No other car offer force induction engine below 100k that met the euro 5 emission standard, except Proton.
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polo 1.2 is cheaper than proton, because of BN cronies AP !!!! they are making big bucks from you.
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polo 1.2 is cheaper than proton, because of BN cronies AP !!!! they are making big bucks from you.
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Polo 1.2 is cheaper than proton? Where can i buy one?
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Apr 11 2012, 08:25 AM)
Polo 1.2 is cheaper than proton? Where can i buy one?
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you work 5yr+ oversea come back here and apply tax subsidies for polo tsi car
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QUOTE(vexus @ Apr 11 2012, 08:28 AM)
you work 5yr+ oversea come back here and apply tax subsidies for polo tsi car
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not making any sense.. why need to work overseas to buy polo?

So again, any cars offered force induction engine below 100k other than proton that met euro 5 emission standard?
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ok which 1 support ron95?

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QUOTE(vexus @ Apr 11 2012, 08:21 AM)
polo 1.2 is cheaper than proton, because of BN cronies AP !!!! they are making big bucks from you.
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people like u already own & drive polo in UK/Germany?u know how much insurances for your car when u live at UK?

just pack your stuffs & migrate to those developed country & u can know for yourself the true cost if owning car there
for those living in Norway/Denmark & own Audi A4,i heard changing battery alone costs Rm20,000 meh?

stupid muthafck no need to bising2 la,leave sooner the better


ps-why u dont bising2 with car price in Singapura?

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QUOTE(KKLOO @ Apr 10 2012, 10:53 PM)
How about 4A-GE Black Top..??  hmm.gif  hmm.gif

165 PS (121 kW) at 7,800 rpm with 16.5 kg·m (162 N·m) of torque at 5,600 rpm.

1.6L N/A
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i havent got into any situation that required 7k rpm with my 1.3myvi although im a casual driver kl-gua musang... sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif thats one of a hell rpm man..
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QUOTE(multiplexer @ Apr 12 2012, 02:12 AM)
i havent got into any situation that required 7k rpm with my 1.3myvi although im a casual driver kl-gua musang...  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  thats one of a hell rpm man..
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That engine invented to be high rev... Some of the tuners make it capable to rev over 10k rpm... Myvi got rev limiter so impossible to rev so high... laugh.gif laugh.gif
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160hp, 240nm in a 1.4l biggrin.gif remappable to 190hp,280nm
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4B11T FQ400 = 405hp in 2.0L with 550nm of torque.

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4B11T FQ400 = 405hp in 2.0L with 550nm of torque.

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what GB can suport 550nm of torque?
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<double post>

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Apr 12 2012, 05:43 PM)
4B11T FQ400 = 405hp in 2.0L with 550nm of torque.

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QUOTE(vexus @ Apr 10 2012, 11:39 PM)
Campro CFE (Proton Preve)
138 HP
205 Nm (2000 rpm to 4000 rpm)
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THP 150 (Peugeot 308 Turbo)
156hp @ 6000rpm
240Nm @ 1400rpm

campro to reach 205Nm need 2k to 4k rpm. More fuel

308T only require 1.4k to reach 240Nm.

In term of FC, campro is out
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Not necessarily. The THP 150 is using a 6 speed auto while the CFE is CVT. It has 240 Nm @ 1.4k true. But it have to rev up the rev range to extract its power. CVT on the other hand can just stay put at the said RPM and just varies the CVT ratio.

Depend on how high you rev, driving the CFE accordingly and extract the best out of the CVT advantage might proof more fuel saving.
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Is it using the same block and crank as the old Campro? If it is, better not. Ppl engine sounds damn sweet when rev, this CFE i dunno lah.

I know parts in old campro (gen2 & neo) damn fragile. a lot of engine kena cos cannot tahan the abuse.
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Is it using the same block and crank as the old Campro? If it is, better not. Ppl engine sounds damn sweet when rev, this CFE i dunno lah.

I know parts in old campro (gen2 & neo) damn fragile. a lot of engine kena cos cannot tahan the abuse.
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diff block & crank in CFE,eventhough same design with old campro


Added on April 12, 2012, 5:55 pmeven piston also diff

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QUOTE(WannaGetBuffed @ Apr 12 2012, 05:53 PM)
Is it using the same block and crank as the old Campro? If it is, better not. Ppl engine sounds damn sweet when rev, this CFE i dunno lah.

I know parts in old campro (gen2 & neo) damn fragile. a lot of engine kena cos cannot tahan the abuse.
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Only time will tell i guess... CFE is quite new in market.. oni been abt 4 month+
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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Apr 12 2012, 05:50 PM)
what GB can suport  550nm of torque?
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The stock 5 speed one.

Either that or the Getrag made DCT one. (It's safe rated maximum is about 500nm but it'll do a lot more in a pinch)
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Apr 10 2012, 10:39 PM)
what to do.. kampong ppl mah..  laugh.gif
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The stock 5 speed one.

Either that or the Getrag made DCT one. (It's safe rated maximum is about 500nm but it'll do a lot more in a pinch)
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u gila rclxms.gif
only time will tell when the GB will blown to pieces
AFAIK,u can change to twin-plate clutch to make it more tolerance to added torque
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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Apr 12 2012, 06:01 PM)
u gila rclxms.gif
only time will tell when the GB will blown to pieces
AFAIK,u can change to twin-plate clutch to make it more tolerance to added torque
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I think many have been running it at 600nm for years without issue except synchro wear. They removed the 6th gear that was present on earlier generations and beefed up all the other gears.

The stock clutch will last about 50,000 km under punishing conditions and multiple launches.
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ford mondeo ecoboost 203hp and 300Nm...
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QUOTE(<Ultraman> @ Apr 10 2012, 10:43 PM)
last time before BLM came out also so much talk about engine la.
last last BLM is quiet a shitty engine.
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every proton engine that come out ever since the inception of CAMPRO we have this argument.
and you're probably right, from gen2 to persona to saga blm to preve, everytime also big hoo hah about new engine and car.
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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Apr 10 2012, 11:45 PM)
cannot compare proton preve with 308T since diff in weight
from boot volume alone already know both are diff in size & weight, 308T boot only 430litre,while preve's  boot is 508litre
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so which car is comparable to preve? hmm.gif

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what GB can suport  550nm of torque?
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i'm thinking monster truck sweat.gif
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how about honda city
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HP? hitpoints? how many times it can run before it dies?
Nm? is this MP or mana? =.=
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still waiting proton to make 300bhp engine.
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top speed = gear ratio
ability to reach top speed soon = power

so if you have 1000hp but very short and shitty gear ratio, you would even reach 180kmh..

just an example for those keep on comparing power means higher top speed.


heck, even Persona 1.6 stock standard can do 220kmh.






QUOTE(satuross @ Apr 22 2012, 07:53 AM)
HP? hitpoints? how many times it can run before it dies?
Nm? is this MP or mana? =.=
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i dont know much about cars. if final fantasy i tau la hehe.

HP and MP. but HP and NM i tak penah dengar. wink.gif
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still waiting proton to make 300bhp engine.
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not gonna happen. 300bhp is not for regular road use. That's already considered as track-oriented cars. Or supercars.

as long as Proton improves this CFE with quality, and performance, Proton will do good for their future.

Maybe proton should invest on RnD Direct-injection engines. That improves fuel-consumption alot.
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QUOTE(satuross @ Apr 22 2012, 07:53 AM)
HP? hitpoints? how many times it can run before it dies?
Nm? is this MP or mana? =.=
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Apr 22 2012, 09:34 AM)
still waiting proton to make 300bhp engine.
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Yes, so we can all enjoy 7 to 8km per liter cars.
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QUOTE(satuross @ Apr 22 2012, 09:38 AM)
i dont know much about cars. if final fantasy i tau la hehe.

HP and MP. but HP and NM i tak penah dengar. wink.gif
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HP = horsepower (power)
NM = newton meter (torque)
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Yes, so we can all enjoy 7 to 8km per liter cars.
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does it really matter? fuel is kena subsidize leh, use lah. most important thing is 50-100K cheaper than the same class car.

RM50-100K enough pump fuel for entire car lifetime.
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Yes, so we can all enjoy 7 to 8km per liter cars.
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dun blaff, your evo X has lower gas milage than 7.. laugh.gif
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Power isn't the only factor that decides which one is good...

I heard people complaining their BLM with malfunctioned IAFM system... it's only been how many years? My toyota engine with TVIS (almost same system like IAFM) is still working fine after 29 years...
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QUOTE(satuross @ Apr 22 2012, 07:53 AM)
HP? hitpoints? how many times it can run before it dies?
Nm? is this MP or mana? =.=
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Apr 22 2012, 09:34 AM)
still waiting proton to make 300bhp engine.
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not realistic.
they need to do the basics before thinking in the skies.
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QUOTE(megahertz @ Apr 10 2012, 10:39 PM)
wtf compare with N/A

from that figure, each engine is tuned for different purpose edy
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Ya. No point comparing to 2.0 N/A because N/A engine has lower torque
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QUOTE(vexus @ Apr 10 2012, 11:39 PM)
Campro CFE (Proton Preve)
138 HP
205 Nm (2000 rpm to 4000 rpm)
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THP 150 (Peugeot 308 Turbo)
156hp @ 6000rpm
240Nm @ 1400rpm

campro to reach 205Nm need 2k to 4k rpm. More fuel

308T only require 1.4k to reach 240Nm.

In term of FC, campro is out
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Should also have the torque chart to compare.
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bjak btul comparison ko ye

preve early batch enjin bocor / defect x dpt repair
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bjak btul comparison ko ye

preve early batch enjin bocor / defect x dpt repair
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brp banyak bocor? ada stats?
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