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post Apr 26 2012, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 26 2012, 01:45 PM)
Do we assume that everyone who invests in shares have allocated their money wisely?

hmm.gif  Everyone here only invest with their idle money?

As much as I believe in holding stocks for the long time, I strongly believe in selling, if and when required.
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Nobody can comment on this part, it is individual issue.

Even one wants to leverage 50x of money own, also it is about individual issue, nobody has the right to comment. smile.gif

It is understandable, especially there is significant chance of fundamental issue,
just some forumers and I as well posted past experience that making "wrong choice" of selling, therefore refrain selling in most circumstance unless really required, because I am bad in timing the market.

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post Apr 26 2012, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 26 2012, 01:52 PM)
I am rather sorry but please understand that my comments were not directed at you. I believe a 'no sell' strategy is risky. There are times where the only logical decision is to sell.
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Yes & no.

May be other is good, I am not.
I don't know when to sell.
Just like BAT was Rm50.00, time to sell? I don't know
Just like Panamy was Rm20 time, logic to sell, I don't know.
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Apple was USD500, time to sell, I also don't know.

I wish one can share the taught of "logical decision to sell". smile.gif
It will be valuable input and sharing taught as well, which can make all of us a better investor. smile.gif


Added on April 26, 2012, 2:08 pm
QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 26 2012, 02:03 PM)
Eh? Market timing again? Is market timing the reason one sell a stock?
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Apart the company fundamental change drastically, turn good to bad, others than that, I don't know.

I don't know when the market is high, nor low, as said I am poor in this area.

Last time people said 1500 is high, now 1600.
So for me, only can hold stock and watch only, so no sell for couple of years already.


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post Apr 26 2012, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(Frostlord @ Apr 26 2012, 03:07 PM)
wow.. still v118
after fruit case, its really slow moving in here sweat.gif

anyway, i got a noob question to ask

lets assume Company A business is doing very well but no one buy its stock (volume 0)
can its share price increase because of its business performance alone?

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If the business performance is good, as well as tons of cashflow that give handsome dividend.
It is a "pull" factor that will lure people to buy to own it.
Just like ant like sugar. biggrin.gif
For eg.
Dlady after announced special dividend, many interested to buy, you don't need to promote and tell people to buy one, you don't need to scare no one buy.
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QUOTE(tanch78 @ Apr 26 2012, 03:18 PM)
How do you define handsome dividend payout? dividend yield > 10%?
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It is impossible, if there is share price will rise to push down the yield already, as many rush to buy until price up.

Handsome dividend payout, for me
first criteria, dividend yield > FD rate, if >5% is considered handsome. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(mopster @ Apr 26 2012, 03:39 PM)
hmmm btw.. Cherroy sifu is active here... does tat mean order and factory is quiert again ? sad.gif sweat.gif
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Yes, sadly to say.

Somemore the min wages issue has dragged a lot of industry in limbo situation, don't what to expect, what to do.
All play waiting game.

You know, some industries only pay RM400-500 as basic, but got a lot of allowance, sales commission based one, total wages become Rm1.5k to 2k also got, suddenly tell company to pay Rm800~1000, can be big burden, not to mention across the entire wages structure. It may not just simple lower ranking wages basic rise, but across, including inflation.

In theory, nothing affected except lower ranking one, but in reality,
A employee that is capable currently get Rm800,
B employee Rm600,

Suddenly, must at least RM800, so B get payrise, do you think A will not complain or want a payrise as well?
So also need to give A to Rm1000.
But C currently Rm1000, feel injustified to have same wages with C, here we go again the domino effect.

If said, total pay must exceed RMxxx still ok, but not basic.
Some industry need to have low basic and lot of allowance/incentive/commission so that it can drive employee more hardworking for the job, this especially on sales department, or those need to tackle those work 3 day, off 2 day type of employee.


Added on April 26, 2012, 3:50 pm
QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 26 2012, 03:40 PM)
Cherroy, moppy ask you go back to work.

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Please hire me. biggrin.gif



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post Apr 26 2012, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Apr 26 2012, 03:52 PM)
i hire you as Cherroy Fund manager. Can ah? RM600 a month, basic salary.  biggrin.gif
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I have no cert, can only do Fun manager, ok or not?
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QUOTE(mopster @ Apr 26 2012, 03:53 PM)
LOLOL...
so ... is it possible that companies will end up reducing allowance and increasing basic ?? that can sum up to 1.5k - 2.0k as well..
then minimum wages doesnt make an impact at all.. only sounds good.. like another political gimmick
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Yes, possible,
but, benefit to those work 3 days, and off 2 days type of employee,
while those work 5 days full one, still the same. All at same basic wages.

Basic and allowances in some company does make a lot of difference one, those work in HR should well verse understand the impact.

Allowances/incentive/commission, you work on the specific job scope set, you got paid.
Sick leave, whatever leave, no pay.

Basic, company must pay in full sum, including the employee have lot of sick leave, annual leave etc. even the employee only come 10 days per month.



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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Apr 26 2012, 03:55 PM)
Companies rather increse allowances, so overtime calculation won't be affected.

Minimum wage is based on gross salary instead of basic. As long as your take home pay is above the minimum, no reason why the salary earner should remain in the "hardcore poor" category.
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So far, what I read in news, and heard is about basic, not gross.
If gross, many industries and company has no fear about it, as those capable and hardworking one, most should be way above those range of wages already.
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post Apr 26 2012, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Apr 26 2012, 04:13 PM)
What I meant was fixed gross. Like lets say Basic 400, but fixed allowances like transport allowance, site allowance, makan allowance all add up to meet the minimum wage. This does not include overtime which is not fixed.

This way overtime or additional production does not cost extra from before. And fixed costs are easier to manage, where the company has a fixed objective and can concentrate on other cost cutting measures like medical benefits, cheaper insurers, less uniforms etc.

If basic = minimum wage, overtime of staff to meet production deadlines will have an impact on production costs. And these costs can vary according to the amount of production needed, public holiday overtime, different payscale of employees etc.

Edit:

Because employees didn't suddenly improved, there is a justification not to pay the basic = minimum wage if the delta is high.
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Skid,
Based on the news, Min wages is on basic only, so OT rate also will be affected.

http://www.nst.com.my/opinion/letters-to-t...-salary-1.56880

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PUTRAJAYA: THE minimum wage deals only with the basic salary while employees and employers would have to discuss the additional benefits.

Human Resources Minister Datuk Seri Dr S. Subramaniam said this had been the practice in Malaysia "all the while".

Subramaniam was commenting on concerns raised by the Malaysian Employers Federation (MEF) executive director Shamsuddin Bardan that workers could lose their additional incentives and allowances once the minimum wage policy was implemented.
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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Apr 26 2012, 04:48 PM)
Yeah, the employers will suffer as adjustments will be more complicated. And employees will not benefit unless there is overtime. I guess the work harder, get paid more mantra is the philosophy.
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The outcome can be inflation, which is highly possibly, which in the end of the day, nobody gain, but lose-lose situation.

No productivity gain, with wages increment, is factor for inflation to hit.

In fact, even the employee getting payrise, but inflation looming and serious hit, all payrise is back to square one, and life can become more difficult due to inflation instead better.
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QUOTE(ngiaongiao @ Apr 27 2012, 03:47 PM)
Suddely realize rhb investment give reward points when trade online. The points can convert to airasia big points.
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LOL, trade stock also got reward points.
Trade more to collect more points? biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 27 2012, 04:13 PM)
Looks like durian runtuh may happen

Go queue low low at your fav. counter  icon_idea.gif
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Month end sales? brows.gif
Q, Q, Q.
Wait rabbit hit the tree. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Apr 30 2012, 12:25 PM)
OR is a rights issue, with OR you pay 50 cents per share to get tambun shares and also warrants attached.
The trading duration of OR is only 1 week.

If you have no plan to exercise OR you need to sell because after one week you cannot trade your OR. So it cease to be of any value to you.
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OR is a right issue form actually, aka let you have the right to subscribe the right issue. biggrin.gif
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Just known that beer price is going to increase in May, so may be good for GAB and Carlsberg.
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post May 2 2012, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ May 2 2012, 09:00 PM)
Hehe. We meet your 2.80 dulu notworthy.gif
For Takaful, maybe only 16 million - 20 million shares available free float.
Around 160,000 - 200,000 lots.

That's why 100 lots can push up few cents in Takaful  laugh.gif
100 lots cannot push up in BIMB also.  tongue.gif
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Normally, Parent company move slowly than "son/daughter" company one, which can be due to liquidity issue, as well as size.

Bigger size, move slower in general, heavy mah. biggrin.gif

There is not a must a "son" company move, parent company must move as well, or vice versa. Do not have this kind of mindset to trade in the market. It doesn't work sometimes.
Both fundamental can be difference as well, although they are related.



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