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now everyone can get an A in SPM
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SUSYameteOniichan
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Apr 9 2012, 01:01 PM
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QUOTE This is where the grading system is flawed. Too flexible. It should be fixed, to indicate and differentiate between those who are the cream of the crop, or one who is just able to get by.
One teacher who is strict in marking papers once told me : there are huge differences between a student who gets an A on 100 marks, compared to another who gets an A on 80 marks... have to disagree here. no one cares if you have 100 or 80 marks. if you got straight A, you will get lots of interviews for scholarship. THATS where a 80 marks and 100 marks person will differentiate itself. Who needs a 100 marks person who never went to national levels in any sports or club activities, never become captain prefect, and never become ketua unit beruniform? There are thousands of schools, that means we have thousands of head prefects, thousands of people in the national levels, and thouisands of ketua unit beruniform. If you cant even get this, then 100 marks also you dont deserve a scholarship. The 80 marks person will deserve it more. This is where you hack the weed from the crop,
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khelben
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Apr 9 2012, 01:02 PM
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Bahasa Cina you need around 85 to get A
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DarkNite
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Apr 9 2012, 01:05 PM
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QUOTE(khelben @ Apr 9 2012, 01:02 PM) Bahasa Cina you need around 85 to get A 
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maranello55
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Apr 9 2012, 01:11 PM
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heathcliffz
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Apr 9 2012, 01:15 PM
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this is no good....
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likeicare
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Apr 9 2012, 01:17 PM
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this is how minister of education ctrl the so call quality la. they did it every year. that's why every time also got "peningkatan".
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skycrawler
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Apr 9 2012, 01:17 PM
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QUOTE(Seager @ Apr 8 2012, 10:52 PM) Meh, some subjects the graph go down so much. Patut fail, but end up getting B. I don't like. Especially those kampung faggots all bodoh2 wan. SPM straight As, get jpa, come uni and fail. Butthurt much bro?
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Shenyang
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Apr 9 2012, 01:19 PM
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QUOTE(YameteOniichan @ Apr 8 2012, 11:00 PM) wow. i cant believe people here could finish SPM without understanding the mechanism of "bell curve" =.= I understand the bell curve and I assume that they are normalizing the results obtained for that particular year. Nothing wrong with that, but if you take a look at the benchmarks that are set... it is just reflective of our education system and the quality of students that are being produced nowadays, shambles.
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FourZeroFour
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Apr 9 2012, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Apr 9 2012, 01:11 PM)  not gonna happen... But to be fair, the education systems in those western countries which we look up to so much to use as educational model for our schools are also facing the same dilemma of being so exam oriented as well these days http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-17564311» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE Exam pressure 'undermining teacher's integrity'
Some teachers' professional integrity is being undermined by the pressure to get good exam results, a union says.
The Association of Teachers and Lecturers says teachers have been forced to "manipulate results" and even "re-write students' work" to boost results.
A snapshot survey of ATL members found a third felt their integrity was being compromised by what was asked of them.
ATL head Dr Mary Bousted said results seemed to be more valued than learning.
The union carried out research with 512 of its teacher members working in state schools in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
It said teachers felt under increasing pressure to get pupils through tests and exams.
About two-thirds of those surveyed were supplying pupils with more practice tests and running after-school classes or one-to-one classes.
A third said they had helped pupils prepare by attending meetings to find out "exam themes".
A quarter of teachers felt obliged to attend exam board seminars to help their pupils get ahead.
And some 35% said the pressure they were under could compromise their professional integrity. 'Impossible'
One teacher at a primary school in England said: "I have been forced to manipulate results so that levels of progress stay up, as our head fears [there will be] an Ofsted inspection should our results waver.
"I work in an infant school."
Another at an English secondary school said: "The school I work at definitely pushes the boundaries of exam integrity.
"Maintaining their "gold-plated" status by far takes precedence over developing the abilities of the pupils."
He added: "Controlled assessments and aspects of coursework are problem areas for cheating, with senior leadership driving the agenda."
And a third, a teacher in a grammar school in Northern Ireland, said: "In some cases I end up virtually rewriting my students' homework to match the marking criteria, rather than teach them my subject, French. I do this because there is simply not time to do both!"
A Department for Education spokesman said: "There is absolutely no excuse for teachers cheating.
"Parents will be absolutely outraged to hear anyone admit they've manipulated test scores. It undermines other staff, damages children's education and risks destroying the public's faith in the profession." 'Failures'
Others focused on the stress on pupils. There appeared to be a consensus among teachers that the pressure was damaging for pupils as well.
Nine out of 10 teachers surveyed said they felt tests and exams were the biggest source of pressure on pupils and young people, causing increased anxiety for them.
One teacher from an English primary school said: "I fear we are switching a great many pupils off before they have even left primary school!"
Dr Bousted said children in the UK were among the most tested in the world.
"This creates a huge pressure on young people, with many whose progress has been outstanding on a personal or emotional level feeling like failures following test and exam results.
"With the government's persistent focus on tests, exam results and league tables, many teachers and lecturers also feel under enormous pressure - often at the detriment to high quality teaching, learning and development of their pupils."
She called for the government to look again at its test and exams regime.
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lagenda
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Apr 9 2012, 01:30 PM
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baru tau ke pasal ni? dari sekolah lagi dah tahu kalau add math dapat 10 marks pun dah boleh lulus. aku yang selalu failed add math time test pun dapat b3 time spm
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maranello55
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Apr 9 2012, 01:41 PM
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QUOTE(lagenda @ Apr 9 2012, 01:30 PM) baru tau ke pasal ni? dari sekolah lagi dah tahu kalau add math dapat 10 marks pun dah boleh lulus. aku yang selalu failed add math time test pun dapat b3 time spm  same...i nvr pass my addmaths....suddenly spm C3 lmao
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SUSHidan
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Apr 9 2012, 01:47 PM
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A+ still need quite high marks.
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Aiman131
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Apr 9 2012, 01:49 PM
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Real or fake ? If fake i want start study now
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Cowhide
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Apr 9 2012, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE(arsenwagon @ Apr 8 2012, 11:12 PM) if u understand bell curve in the first place you would know there are people who would understand it , and people who half understand and people who do not. and people who half understand is about 60-80% of total analysed?
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SUSHidan
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Apr 9 2012, 02:05 PM
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Better go for British A-Levels.
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arsenwagon
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Apr 9 2012, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE(Cowhide @ Apr 9 2012, 02:04 PM) and people who half understand is about 60-80% of total analysed? not everything is perfectly bell curved liddat 1. sometimes got skewed curve. sometimes the middle of the curve is shifted towards the right/left.
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SUSHidan
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Apr 9 2012, 02:12 PM
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even with Bell curve, come on la. Making A 60 marks is totally absurb. If not many get A then the system needs fixing la.
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SUSYameteOniichan
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Apr 9 2012, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE I understand the bell curve and I assume that they are normalizing the results obtained for that particular year. Nothing wrong with that, but if you take a look at the benchmarks that are set... it is just reflective of our education system and the quality of students that are being produced nowadays, shambles. no this is exactly why you are wrong. You cannot make ANY decision based on this number. for example, if SPM this year had 50% university level questions, and the average mark is 15 Another year SPM 99% tadika questions, and average mark is 97 the 15 and 97 says NOTHING about the quality of students. you need historical data. u need to rank each data by efficiency you need to put out outliers. thats how you compare and analyse data. This is exactly why malaysia newspaper is a huge joke. look at utusan. look at malaysia kini, look at harakah. Everything also one dimensioned. The reporters all degree by post. wtf lol This post has been edited by YameteOniichan: Apr 9 2012, 03:08 PM
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arsenwagon
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Apr 9 2012, 03:21 PM
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^but then no questions are beyond the textbooks wan...
in fact mostquestions are below school standards...
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Seager
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Apr 9 2012, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE(skycrawler @ Apr 9 2012, 01:17 PM) Yep.
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