How do we check wether the new car is CKD or CBU?
How to check CKD or CBU car?, Honda City and Toyota Vios.
How to check CKD or CBU car?, Honda City and Toyota Vios.
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Apr 4 2012, 12:40 PM, updated 14y ago
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How do we check wether the new car is CKD or CBU?
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Apr 4 2012, 01:43 PM
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Vios and City no need to check... confirmed CKD
for any other cars... just look at the price of the same model... CKD's usually a few thousand cheaper than CBU... This post has been edited by kenji1903: Apr 4 2012, 01:45 PM |
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Vios assemble at ASSB @ Shah Alam
City @ Honda Melaka |
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Apr 4 2012, 01:49 PM
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been to ASSB to install electricals.
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Apr 4 2012, 01:50 PM
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wat is CKD and CBU?
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Apr 4 2012, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Apr 4 2012, 01:43 PM) Vios and City no need to check... confirmed CKD Doesnt seems like a fool-proof method..They can just put higher price and then offer "discounts"..for any other cars... just look at the price of the same model... CKD's usually a few thousand cheaper than CBU... QUOTE(popopi @ Apr 4 2012, 01:53 PM) CKD - Completely Knock Down means it comes in parts and are assembled locally Never knew that lolzCBU - Completely Build Unit means imported fully assembled |
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ooo~ now I get it...
since I cannot choose others adee.. Anyone have exprience? Vios or City build better? dun want to regret afterwards due to bad assembling quality. |
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then buy a confirmed CBU car
honda jazz hybrid - made in japan Prius - made in japan elantra - made in korea |
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To those that have bought CKD cars before, what does it state on your geran kereta?
Kereta tempatan or any other terms they use? |
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Apr 4 2012, 02:07 PM
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No, ELantra is CKD.
When you buy one, it comes with an INOKOM badge. |
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traditional way, tengok geran
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Opps.. forgot that elantra is ckd but sell at cbu price...
you must go test out the jazz hybrid. its 94k only. very very good to drive. |
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by the time u get the garant... its too late already, isnt it?
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Apr 4 2012, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Apr 4 2012, 01:54 PM) Doesnt seems like a fool-proof method..They can just put higher price and then offer "discounts".. nope... VW Passat is only a 10k cheaper CKD in DRB-Hicom...Never knew that lolz same with Mazda 3, Berjaya CKD only around 10k cheaper also... motor industry is gahmen controlled... no dealer is dumb enough to sell CKD cars at CBU prices and name it CBU Added on April 4, 2012, 2:17 pm QUOTE(popopi @ Apr 4 2012, 01:52 PM) Since the Honda assembled in Melaka.. how come the new facelift model they said Thailand flood cannot have car till may or june??? a lot of parts come from Thailand... same like Dugong... ECU is from Japan, last year earthquake CKD car delivery also affected This post has been edited by kenji1903: Apr 4 2012, 02:17 PM |
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Apr 4 2012, 02:21 PM
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QUOTE(popopi @ Apr 4 2012, 02:07 PM) Why don't you wait for the new proton? 72k max and performance wise as good as Civic, if they get the build quality right this time, Vios/City is no fight.P.S. the new city/vios build quality not that good either. the interior door kinda plastic feel. |
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Apr 4 2012, 02:23 PM
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CBU - Mazda 2 / Fiesta ^.^ around your budget Lolz
If buying used car, to check Wheather CBU or CKD at Grant, they will usually state import Baru bottom left hand side |
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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Apr 4 2012, 02:21 PM) Why don't you wait for the new proton? 72k max and performance wise as good as Civic, if they get the build quality right this time, Vios/City is no fight. Already getting thru all 3 proton in my life.. no more proton for me. sorry to say taht.. all 3 P cars give me very vey bad impression.... P.S. the new city/vios build quality not that good either. the interior door kinda plastic feel. i'm going for a more reliable car.... so i can keep it for longer time. VIOS for reliablity right???? |
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Apr 4 2012, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE(popopi @ Apr 4 2012, 02:26 PM) Already getting thru all 3 proton in my life.. no more proton for me. sorry to say taht.. all 3 P cars give me very vey bad impression.... Reliability 75% depend on how you maintain your car i'm going for a more reliable car.... so i can keep it for longer time. VIOS for reliablity right???? If you are talking bout parts reliability then Toyota is doing well I guess |
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QUOTE(Jim.tan @ Apr 4 2012, 02:23 PM) CBU - Mazda 2 / Fiesta ^.^ around your budget Lolz looking for sedan, have lots of bags.. badminton, camera, travel bags... Me travel alot. alor star, kulim, penang.If buying used car, to check Wheather CBU or CKD at Grant, they will usually state import Baru bottom left hand side ford pesta seems good... reliable?? |
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get hilux.. for maximum reliability
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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Apr 4 2012, 02:21 PM) Why don't you wait for the new proton? 72k max and performance wise as good as Civic, if they get the build quality right this time, Vios/City is no fight. u ok or not? compare proton with Honda and Toyota? 70k somemore..i wonder how much they sell at UK this time....6KPound?P.S. the new city/vios build quality not that good either. the interior door kinda plastic feel. Added on April 4, 2012, 2:31 pm QUOTE(fireballs @ Apr 4 2012, 02:13 PM) Opps.. forgot that elantra is ckd but sell at cbu price... I am wanting Jazz hybrid too...but the second value sure bad geyou must go test out the jazz hybrid. its 94k only. very very good to drive. This post has been edited by taitianhin: Apr 4 2012, 02:31 PM |
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its not to say must buy proton. but wait for the launch this weekend.
see what is the reaction from T and H. maybe more promo? the preve is set to draw some customers from japanese buyers i think |
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QUOTE(fireballs @ Apr 4 2012, 02:32 PM) its not to say must buy proton. but wait for the launch this weekend. then will be good time to get from T or H .... see what is the reaction from T and H. maybe more promo? the preve is set to draw some customers from japanese buyers i think Maybe this weekend can go Autocity see see the new P Preve.. This post has been edited by popopi: Apr 4 2012, 02:37 PM |
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latest news... preve delayed to 10apr??
Added on April 4, 2012, 2:39 pmmaybe to avoid bang date with elantra's 6 apr This post has been edited by fireballs: Apr 4 2012, 02:39 PM |
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some say 10 april, some say 16 april
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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Apr 4 2012, 02:21 PM) Why don't you wait for the new proton? 72k max and performance wise as good as Civic, if they get the build quality right this time, Vios/City is no fight. actually which car less than 100k don't have plastic feel? P.S. the new city/vios build quality not that good either. the interior door kinda plastic feel. |
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QUOTE(taitianhin @ Apr 4 2012, 02:30 PM) u ok or not? compare proton with Honda and Toyota? 70k somemore..i wonder how much they sell at UK this time....6KPound? We are comparing price vs performance. I DID mentioned about the build quality no? Read back my post.Don't overhype with what H/T is, U never been into the local plant, they are no difference between them and Proton, especially foe Vios and City that was build to fight the SEAsia market. unless you are going back to the CBU talk. IMHO Proton is catching up. QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Apr 4 2012, 02:50 PM) IMHO The 2005/06 City with This post has been edited by yuhhaur: Apr 4 2012, 03:04 PM |
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QUOTE(popopi @ Apr 4 2012, 02:29 PM) looking for sedan, have lots of bags.. badminton, camera, travel bags... Me travel alot. alor star, kulim, penang. Can try out Nissan Livina _____ (Forgot what version already ford pesta seems good... reliable?? Added on April 4, 2012, 3:04 pm QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Apr 4 2012, 03:02 PM) Oops... Shall be iDSiThis post has been edited by yuhhaur: Apr 4 2012, 03:04 PM |
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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Apr 4 2012, 02:59 PM) We are comparing price vs performance. I DID mentioned about the build quality no? Read back my post. Don't overhype with what H/T is, U never been into the local plant, they are no difference between them and Proton, especially foe Vios and City that was build to fight the SEAsia market. unless you are going back to the CBU talk. IMHO Proton is catching up. IMHO The 2005/06 City with vvti engine interior build is far better than the current gen. Now knock knock also can hear drum-like sound. Added on April 4, 2012, 3:08 pm QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Apr 4 2012, 03:03 PM) Can try out Nissan Livina _____ (Forgot what version already i have the VTEC version, agree very much with your statement... it has better built quality than Dugong and the New City any time...Added on April 4, 2012, 3:04 pm Oops... Shall be iDSi This post has been edited by kenji1903: Apr 4 2012, 03:08 PM |
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[quote=yuhhaur,Apr 4 2012, 03:03 PM]
Can try out Nissan Livina _____ (Forgot what version already Nissan X Gear... test drive adee... Rm82,800 ... very bump at the back somehow... 5 seater MPV. good car. good power. read drum brake tho overall is good. but bumpy at the back.. also the seat at the back is flat and abit too vertical.. like 90 degree.... lol~ not to my liking.. |
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QUOTE(popopi @ Apr 4 2012, 03:10 PM) Nissan X Gear... test drive adee... Rm82,800 ... very bump at the back somehow... 5 seater MPV. good car. good power. read drum brake tho overall is good. but bumpy at the back.. also the seat at the back is flat and abit too vertical.. like 90 degree.... lol~ not to my liking.. This post has been edited by V12Kompressor: Apr 4 2012, 03:20 PM |
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Apr 4 2012, 03:20 PM) u buy vios or city also rear drum brake, unless you richfag buy top of the line version which comes with tiny mini rear dis brek. new city only have rear discs, last time IDSI have drumsdugong J/E have rear drums, G/S have rear discs Added on April 4, 2012, 3:25 pm QUOTE(turbocharged @ Apr 4 2012, 03:23 PM) come to think of it... my dad's 13 year old Wira also soft touch i mean now one lar, all also using plastics unless you buy above 150k, any touch also can... This post has been edited by kenji1903: Apr 4 2012, 03:25 PM |
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tested x gear as well. its good but boring. stingy on the interior too.
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Apr 4 2012, 03:05 PM) Added on April 4, 2012, 3:08 pm i have the VTEC version, agree very much with your statement... it has better built quality than Dugong and the New City any time... |
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QUOTE(popopi @ Apr 4 2012, 03:29 PM) then no more high quality.. new City??? what about engine part? assemble in malaysia also? or import engine whole unit? AFAIK, honda/toyota malaysia don't manufacture engines... it's either from thailand or indonaiyar... just get the Prius C or Jazz hybrid lar, confirm CBU Japan |
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Apr 4 2012, 03:32 PM) AFAIK, honda/toyota malaysia don't manufacture engines... it's either from thailand or indon I wish i have the money for these.... anyway, since no more choice can make. will just go test drive kaw kaw this 2 car... and hope that luck is with me this time aiyar... just get the Prius C or Jazz hybrid lar, confirm CBU Japan |
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seriously... whats your budget?
if u have the money for city/vios, i suggest you take a look at jazz hybrid. waiting queue would be long though |
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QUOTE(fireballs @ Apr 4 2012, 03:39 PM) seriously... whats your budget? possible lesser then 90k budget... dun want to have big problem with the hybrid battery... just want old faithful car. lol~ hoping the city/vios/fiesta/forte can work 9 years. no problem.. of course with proper maintenance.if u have the money for city/vios, i suggest you take a look at jazz hybrid. waiting queue would be long though |
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same situation here. I am also shopping for a under 90k car.
what caught my eye now is actually pickups. Mitsubishi triton to be exact. rugged, easy to drive, easy to bully 9 years should be no problem. if foreign sedan, i would go for toyota J spec. cheapest with least amount of thing to play with. for local sedan, really should wait for the p3 Added on April 4, 2012, 3:56 pmhttp://funtastickodesign.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/price-list.jpg This post has been edited by fireballs: Apr 4 2012, 03:56 PM |
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triton with PLUS tol price same as car?? or like lorry price?
maintenance wise good? i know penang bridge tol is different price.. T_T This post has been edited by popopi: Apr 4 2012, 04:40 PM |
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plus shoudl be the same
http://plus.com.my/index.php?id=vehicle_classes penang bridge is a bit tricky. its not a lorry or van. perhaps categorized under stationwagon. my penang friend has no issue though. but my KL colleague got flagged and ask to pay for the van rate. http://penangbridge.com.my/bridgefare.php maintenance wise, no different from sedan cars. This post has been edited by fireballs: Apr 4 2012, 04:59 PM |
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QUOTE(fireballs @ Apr 4 2012, 04:51 PM) plus shoudl be the same found out from my fren,http://plus.com.my/index.php?id=vehicle_classes penang bridge is a bit tricky. its not a lorry or van. perhaps categorized under stationwagon. my penang friend has no issue though. http://penangbridge.com.my/bridgefare.php maintenance wise, no different from sedan cars. Quote directly from him, "(Road tax)almost RM900. One biji tayar around RM500 - RM800 depending on your capability. Engine oil need two bottle. Got more different oils compared to your normal car. Major service can cost thousands and thousands. Normal service approx RM200++" T_T!!! OMG This post has been edited by popopi: Apr 4 2012, 04:58 PM |
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i mean went there to install electricals for the factory. not the car
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