Alo taiko.. you also another one. Music recordings where got surround recording one? Only stereo. I don't need a processor to have rear setup with stereo and besides, surround in its true meaning is only for DVD users. I just want a submersive sounding setup. Front, back, left, right, etc.. who cares that it doesn't sound 'realistic' la?

This kind of discussion will lead no where since everyone is trying force their ideals on others.

Alo taiko.. you also another one. Music recordings where got surround recording one? Only stereo. I don't need a processor to have rear setup with stereo and besides, surround in its true meaning is only for DVD users. I just want a submersive sounding setup. Front, back, left, right, etc.. who cares that it doesn't sound 'realistic' la?

This kind of discussion will lead no where since everyone is trying force their ideals on others.

do i need a preamp?..x((

DB drive subwoofer - k7 12D4
and DB drive monoblock class D 1000watss amp

do u mean i chg a better player is enuf???

i hv change my front speaker with built in tweeter mid bass..LOL..i aso donno..just felt not enuf bass..hmmm..LOL..reli nid some sifuss to teach me wat to do next..x((..

Whats the brand and model of your front speakers? I guess your front speaker is a 2 way Coaxial Speakers. Commonly, what people do is install a good component set for front speakers.

If you feel bass not enough can you adjust the level from your amp? Try not to push hard your amp level to 100%, make it around 40-60% will do. Most of the time when amp pushed to their limit, sound will get distorted.

Hmm..mohawk forget wat crystal..LOL..i think not good enuf..LOL..is my woofer nice?..hmm..and how bout my amp?..T.T so confusing..x((

Your woofer and monoblock amp shud do the job well, just need to fine tune it.

Ok, i am just saying below based on my experience, you dun have to follow me 

1. Get a good player
2. Change your current front speaker to back speaker
3. Get a good front component set
4. Get an amp for your speakers, 2 channel if you want to boost front only, or get a 4 channel if you want to boost both front and back.

Anyway, final setup still depend on what you like, you like good clear music(SQ)? or you like heavy bass music(SPL)? Life is easier if you like heavy bass. 

People who play SQ are very stubborn and tedious ppl.. (just like me)

Thx Sifuss..x)) future help will pm u ok?? can u send me ur 9band preamp picture ? i wanna hav a look..and wat is the price??

Haa, i am no sifu, just special interests in ICE, spent so much before for ICE, wasted so much money as no clear guidance from friends. Most of the Car Acc Shop just wanna squeeze every bit from your pocket, most of them will tell you what to buy, but never really teach you the basic and logic behind.

Still remember more than 10 years back, I spent RM1100+ for a basic pioneer CD Player (1XXX series), a chapalang 6x9 speakers, and a cheap china tweeter. This was a pain, and if you can avoid it, yes dun repeat my mistake.

I will go back shoot the picture and PM you tonight, kept in box, never really used it. PM u price tonight.

ICE do have it limitation. There is only so much that we can do within a budget and constraint of a vehicle interior. For those of us who are Headphile or Audiophile, we do have another set of standard of sound reproduction that would defer from ICEer.
Those of us with Speaker setup would compare with positioning, floorstand with multiple driver size, multiple subwoofer, ported sealed and also room correction. We expect the stereo sound to fill the entire room and also have a sweetspot. In addition to this, the luxury of minimal environmental noise and cleaning up the main noise. Not forgetting some who even regenerate power for audio reproduction purposes. If do have a chance, do try to listen a good Stereo Setup or maybe visit the annual KLIAV to get a taste of this side of the poison.
Unfortunately we cannot wear a Headphone while driving. We need to share the sound with the other occupant as well in the vehicle. If can, I would just spend on a portable Hi-end Headphile gear that could cost the same as a ICE setup. Think of a mid end Headphone with noise cancellation, media player, portable DAC/amp that can be just linked to the 12v power adaptor. Put one Headphile gear in a car and try compare it against decent ICE. Think where your preference be.
Therefore rear speaker do help in imaging as we cannot control reflection point in vehicle that easily. Cannot simply have egg tray stuck on window.
Anyway, it's still individual preference. If you want to stick to ICE principal of front stage without rear speaker then its your call. There is still some of us who do dream of having certain difference in our setup. Also there is those some of us who try to reproduce something that near to impossible but what the heck, nice to daydream. For me I want the sound of a Denon D7000 powered by a full wadia setup sound in my ICE...... Daydreaming....

Partly agree with you. This is just a discussion. We can talk from moon to earth here on ideal and perfect ICE, ultimately in the end only you yourself will listen to your own setup with your own ears, no need to care about how others comment or feedback. I always stress to my customers, there is NO PERFECT setup, the setup will have to be individualised to meet individual's needs. As long as customers are happy with your setup, then so be it. 

Alo taiko.. you also another one. Music recordings where got surround recording one? Only stereo. I don't need a processor to have rear setup with stereo and besides, surround in its true meaning is only for DVD users. I just want a submersive sounding setup. Front, back, left, right, etc.. who cares that it doesn't sound 'realistic' la?

This kind of discussion will lead no where since everyone is trying force their ideals on others.

ICE do have it limitation. There is only so much that we can do within a budget and constraint of a vehicle interior. For those of us who are Headphile or Audiophile, we do have another set of standard of sound reproduction that would defer from ICEer.
Those of us with Speaker setup would compare with positioning, floorstand with multiple driver size, multiple subwoofer, ported sealed and also room correction. We expect the stereo sound to fill the entire room and also have a sweetspot. In addition to this, the luxury of minimal environmental noise and cleaning up the main noise. Not forgetting some who even regenerate power for audio reproduction purposes. If do have a chance, do try to listen a good Stereo Setup or maybe visit the annual KLIAV to get a taste of this side of the poison.
Unfortunately we cannot wear a Headphone while driving. We need to share the sound with the other occupant as well in the vehicle. If can, I would just spend on a portable Hi-end Headphile gear that could cost the same as a ICE setup. Think of a mid end Headphone with noise cancellation, media player, portable DAC/amp that can be just linked to the 12v power adaptor. Put one Headphile gear in a car and try compare it against decent ICE. Think where your preference be.
Therefore rear speaker do help in imaging as we cannot control reflection point in vehicle that easily. Cannot simply have egg tray stuck on window.
Anyway, it's still individual preference. If you want to stick to ICE principal of front stage without rear speaker then its your call. There is still some of us who do dream of having certain difference in our setup. Also there is those some of us who try to reproduce something that near to impossible but what the heck, nice to daydream. For me I want the sound of a Denon D7000 powered by a full wadia setup sound in my ICE...... Daydreaming....

when i said surround, i didn't point to your interest in ur rear fill. no one says rear fill is wrong. so dun put urself into the seat....

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Added on November 9, 2012, 7:30 pm

adding more spk are actually making the thing worst.....sound source coming from everywhere will only make more reflection...

it's like putting perfume to overcome the smelly air, at the end, you still smelling the bad air just that you decided to ignore it:

Think Izso was trying to make a point that rear fill is a personal preference against an argument that its a waste of money. In some case rear speaker are needed as not everyone drive a compact 4 door car. There are some with Welfire or Madza 5 and think rear speaker would be needed.
In certain cases, adding more speaker would improve the audio quality, that why we have 3 way, 4 way front stage. All depend on how it's been done. Look at those Floorstand speaker in HiFi with multiple drivers. ICEer trying to recreate the same with different size driver and positioning.
Therefore some of us which decided to remain 2 way, would maybe rely on the rear field speaker to help fill the null and void. Who do not want a front stage with .75" tweeter + 1.5" bigger tweeter + 3"mid + 6.5" mid bass + 8" bass running off xover with multiple amp with dual 15" sub on monoblock plus a 6.5" running off the HU as rear fill for the fun of it?
As mentioned, ICE have limitation and we need to work with those limitation. Also, competition setup are to cater for competition needs while a day to day vehicle should suit its owner fancy.
Therefore I believe a vehicle with sound coming from everywhere would suit a fella who like clubbing as that what it is like in a club while a concert goer would think he had gone into a audio nightmare.
Finally a vehicle is not like a listening room where you can use bass trap, acoustic foam and room correction treatment. Reflection is controllable only to certain extent and then it's up to you how much you can tolerate.
Finally, everyone ears are different and expectation are also different so don't expect your installer will understand what you are trying to achieve. Therefore compromise need to be made unless you can manage the ICE installation all by yourself.......

Your woofer and monoblock amp shud do the job well, just need to fine tune it.

Ok, i am just saying below based on my experience, you dun have to follow me 

1. Get a good player
2. Change your current front speaker to back speaker
3. Get a good front component set
4. Get an amp for your speakers, 2 channel if you want to boost front only, or get a 4 channel if you want to boost both front and back.

Anyway, final setup still depend on what you like, you like good clear music(SQ)? or you like heavy bass music(SPL)? Life is easier if you like heavy bass. 

People who play SQ are very stubborn and tedious ppl, and never satisfied with their sound.. (just like me  )