Introduction



Confirmation



Hardware Specs Update 9/4/2012

Release Date Update 3/4/2012



My own thoughts:
So there you go guys, everything I could dig up so far of the new console. It seems that Sony wants to avoid the mistake of letting the Xbox360 get a chunk out of the new gen market for about a year before introducing their Playstation 3. If you are interested, please go to my other thread, Official Playstation 4(Orbis) Thread. Hope you guys got excited after reading the news. Will update both threads accordingly as new info surfaces.

This post has been edited by emperor_kiva: Apr 26 2012, 08:09 AM

Personally, i dont think it would be coming out any time before 2015. Looking at what MS has been doing lately, cut down prices of xbox360 and increasing IPTV and services on live.

Most of the summit are just for brain storming, nothing really solid has been released yet. Heck even the optical drives vs DD havent been sorted out yet. MS just wants to gather feedback from developers what they need rather than build something that they dont need (SONY)

Contracts for GPU and CPU have not been discuss that is supprisingly odd, since GPU and CPU require the most time to RnD and build

Up till this point,its all speculation. IF websites report that "trusted sources" of Microsoft claim for a holiday 2013 release, then that gives them a bit more credibility than you or me simply speculating based on our opinions. Unless you work for microsoft yourself and have direct info to discredit. If not, your opinion's only as good as everyone's

my prediction:
- diskless, SSD medium & online content
- SSD medium writable, hence save games or console ID lock will be possible
- external dvd drive sold separately for backward compatibility of x
360 games
- new controller that can provide feedback to kinect, something like ps move or wii u + kinect
- 2014 launch

if i got more than 50% correct then u guys belanja me kfc

Your already wrong in the support of backwarda compatibility both sony and microsoft want to eliminate the used games market so their new consoles will only play brand new games that will be tied to a single psn and live account.

Instead of next-gen console, there is also a rumor that said Microsoft will come out with Xbox Lite. An ARM-based device that's intended to compete with Apple TV.

we shall wait n see...
no doubt they want to eliminate 2nd hand games, but to totally ignore the backward compatibility is a grave mistake.
if i already had a library of xbox360 games, to buy a new console that cant play it i'll have a second thought,
but if the new console is backward compatible with my old games? then i'll quickly get the new one to replace my old console.
elimination of 2nd hand games cant start with current gen games, as the infra n mentality is not there yet
but for next gen then its possible

Totally agree. What if they start releasing old games available on the xbox 360 like MAss effect3 for example,and re-release it for the xbox720 but on a single blu0ray this time? I'm on the same boat as u , if they were to eliminate backwards compatibility, I'll only consider buying the new console 2 to 3 years down the line. When they have a good library of games and wider support by developers. Same goes for the Orbis.

Can't play used games eh? I guess I'll stop at the 7th-gen then. Haiz, hope they cancel out this part in the near future....

Hope so. Because Gamestop and EBGames are companies quite heavily reliant upon the 2nd hand game business for their own revenue and profits. Being the few major retailers of video games in the US, they may be able to negotiate some things with microsoft over this. We'll have to see. Exciting times are abound for us gamers

mostlikely, ARM APU system.

heck even the cut cost "lite" version of xbox 360 "FL" will be coming out on 2013 Mobo "Loops".

20-33% smaller than xbox360s with no optical drive, builtin psu (very good rumor)

This post has been edited by y3ivan: Apr 1 2012, 11:33 PM

I'm willing to bet my both nuts that MS won't go for bluray

there is no way MS will be paying royalties to their biggest console competitor
for each bluray disk/drive, MS will have to pay a certain amount to Sony, which will be laughing all the way to the bank

either MS develop a new optical media (which is very unlikely), or just stick with the current SSD technology, which is getting cheaper, writable, and fast (doesn't need installation anymore!)

Your NUTS are mine~~!!!!! muahahahhaa

you can keep the sack =P

This post has been edited by IccyAsd: Apr 2 2012, 09:52 AM

same thought here. when i first read bout BD Rom inside as well i asked, seriously? well probability is there also but who knows they just stick back to dvd9?

NUTSLOVER.jpg

I do agree that if microsof uses blu-ray, they'd be paying their competitor Sony to use it. However having 4 discs for ff13-2, mass effect 3 ,etc gets kinda old doesnt it?

wait n see who owns whose nuts first

hello~~~??? why everyone still think disk based? SSD? anyone heard of that?
advantage of SSD,
- waaay faster and more dynamic storage compared to disk based
- no more scratched disk
- quieter and cooler console
- no more installation required, as the game will run faster on SSD than normal HDD
- writable (console ID lock, gamer ID lock, patches, save games, DLC and the list goes on)
- difficult and expensive to pirate
- lesser R&D required for new media, they just need to create their SSD format with existing SSD technology

only downside for now is the cost vs disk based.

thats the reason why MS is looking for DD.

i still don't get the idea using ssd. what exactly is SSD? is it the solid state drive used in those
high end laptop? or memory card used in handset? how about cost? cheaper using ssd than paying royalties
to sony for using bluray disk?

This is probably the main reason for moving away from disks. Ultimately, we'll lose the ability to lend, sell, exchange the games we no longer want.

Microsoft to use BD for its next-gen console? Ha ha ha... don't make me laugh... no seriously. It doesn't matter what source it is but I don't see how Microsoft is going to do this. I am thinking some kind of SSD / removable storage device but not BD.

If Microsoft does use BD, that will be a major wow moment in the history of the company. No, not just because it is "Sony" but simply because Microsoft always does things their own way.

My expected release : Late 2013

2013 will be like the "last year" for Xbox 360. If there is no show at E3 2012, you bet it will be in E3 2013.

Check out the updates section. Confirmation of release date and existence of BD drive in the console. So i guess you could start/stop laughing?

This post has been edited by emperor_kiva: Apr 3 2012, 08:17 AM

Confirmation on a product Microsoft has yet to officially announce, buddy? Everything is speculation at this point no matter the news source.

LOL you call that confirmation?

this is internet man, everything must be true！

actually most of our games are below the size of 8.5gb i think it is still able to fit in like a pendrive/sd card, the only problem is the reading speed.

why worry what's inside or outside? i will worry if i got money to buy or not if i want to play.

money sure got 1, it wont be too expansive until its unafordable. now lets hope xbox live comes to malaysia at the sametime.

Lol fine. My mistake in calling that confirmation then Im just eager to see the "next -gen" come out. Not necessarily going to buy ,just excited that times are moving forward.

BD is not like impossible.. Xbox tryin to turn into a entertaiment machine in US, remember those netfix and those TV stuff, the main aim for the bluray may not be for game after all, it may design for movie instead.

MS won't be able swallow their pride by adapting a technology from enemy camp,
plus current direction is for entertainment machine like you say,
putting a bluray drive into it is the least effective way of generating revenue
as MS will have to pay royalties for each bluray drive, plus there's no profit (to MS) from the user playing bluray movie using the console.
revenue will only came in from hardware sales, which takes a long long time to break even

but for the VOD or cable services like HBO, UFC, netflix... MS do get a share of the profits from those service supplier
and it's way more flexible to add or remove a service, and almost any bluray content can be found on VOD service.

i seem to agree with what greyshadow said.

in terms of business, MS is trying a different approach in distribution, by relying on DD. I believe a lot of developers are lobbing for that idea, but most gamers dont.

but i do speculate that next console would have swap-able optical drive and the media could be both DD and retail flashcards. MS is targeting at $400 - $500 launch day pricing, so optional optical drive seems like a good reason.

This post has been edited by y3ivan: Apr 4 2012, 10:15 AM

The existing Kinect already got on-board computer (processor, memory, etc) that handles all the detection, here's the teardown,

Kinect Teardown

So I'd say one of the rumor outlet mentioned can be dismissed already. And actually there's a case of offloading all the processing to the console, but that's not XBOX360. It's actually Playstation Move for the PS3. So obviously this rumor is made out of thin air without any credibility whatsoever.

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That's not the sketch of next gen XBOX at all. It's actually a sketch of first generation XBOX concept. Notice the controller cables which is tinted green in the drawing.

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If that's all then I am disappointed. Even the current Radeon chip is more than 12-times as massive (in terms of transistor count) compared to the custom Radeon GPU in XBOX360, and that's not even counting that its clock rate is twice as fast. Plus it also comes in dualcore configuration.

So if 6 times than XBOX360 is something to be proud of, current gen PC is already miles ahead. So I don't see that number to be right. Another one "fact" pulled out of thin air.

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btw, Durango should only be its codename, since the real name will most likely pops up as its unveiling nears. Well, that's the job of microsoft's marketing department. Even 1st gen and 2nd gen XBOXes got their codenames too, and Kinect is codenamed Project Natal in its development.

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Added on April 8, 2012, 9:49 amNot necessarily true.

You see, the reason why MS pass on using bluray previously is that the licensing cost is super steep, plus the cost to implement is too high at that time. Ask around people who bought standalone bluray player and they'll let you know that it cost them thousands, so that's why PS3 is considered as "trojan horse" for bluray media distribution. Even Sony who also owns the license lose a lot for each of hardware being made.

Well, time changes. Licensing cost has already brought down significantly, and it's now a de-facto standard for high capacity optical disc. No more disc wars, of which MS was on HD-DVD camp at that time. Even Toshiba, the company which is the major backer of the format, swallowed its pride and manufacture bluray players. It's a very different time now, with cost of pressing the discs already becomes so small.

You see, the reason is always the cost. And with the cost being brought down significantly, there's no reason for MS to not use it. It's not very much of pride issue.

So it's either MS employs bluray, or they ressurect HD-DVD for the sole purpose of content protection. They won't go SSD, since it's superduper expensive.

This post has been edited by LaskarCinta: Apr 8 2012, 09:51 AM

@Laskar cinta,

Thanks for the breakdown. The info in this thread should be deemed as speculation unless otherwise confirmed by Microsoft themselves.

I understand that rumors are the currency here. well, some are plausible (e.g removed tweet by that crytek person) while lots are downright wrong.

take example on the supposely new kinect rumor. the earlier version already got dedicated SoC to do the processing job, making that new kinect rumor pretty much valueless.

This post has been edited by LaskarCinta: Apr 8 2012, 10:45 PM

hardly doubt they will be any new kinect. The current kinect hasnt fully utilized.

This post has been edited by y3ivan: Apr 9 2012, 10:14 AM

Xbox 720 to Pack 16-Core Processor and Two GPUs

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/325268/2...e-processor.htm




Rumor has been going that both the PS4 and Xbox 720 are rumored to use AMD Radeon's 7000 series GPU.

uh oh, even the news page got typo on the "Randeon" moniker.

I don't want to be a grammar nazi here, it's just that by having the name correctly written means that they are dead serious on the story, and at least having a bit knowledge on the IT stuff. That will add credibility to the story.

about drawing different items simultaneously, if it's parallel draw that they'd realy mean, then current hardware on a computer can already do that. btw it's not the most optimal way for a single GPU to work like that since performance will got hampered. But of course that's not a problem for a multi-GPU solution, and even existing single GPU package that got multicore configuration can do that (e.g. Radeon HD 7990).

btw about the quote from CD Projekt RED person, it doesn't mean anything actually. They are really new to the XBOX360 environment (Witcher 2 : Enhanced Edition). So what they'd really mean is that the transition to newer gen supposedly won't affect them much since they've done shifting from PC to current xbox just fine for a game. Nothing much of a news, really.

This post has been edited by EatMe: Apr 9 2012, 07:03 PM

Is Sony coming up with any new model to counter Microsoft?

Sony must be insanely stupid if they don't do that.

Official Playstation 4 (Orbis) Thread

This post has been edited by emperor_kiva: Apr 11 2012, 03:00 PM