QUOTE(howiechoo @ Apr 7 2012, 09:08 PM)
wah u update so fast 1. no pix taken though.PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V21, GASAK KUASAAAAA
PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V21, GASAK KUASAAAAA
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Apr 8 2012, 12:19 AM
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pic pic please~!
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Apr 8 2012, 12:22 AM
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tmr morning i go take pix.
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Apr 8 2012, 12:34 AM
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ok..wait for ur pic...^^
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So quiet....
wuuuuuu~~~my left eye see saga This post has been edited by dares: Apr 8 2012, 02:01 AM |
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So, I finally brought my baby out to stretch her legs. Here is my personal review:
1) DBW not that bad when I go heavy metal(flooring the accelerator thoroughly) 2) Trying to touch 7krpm, but then when I clutch it and ready to shift up(accelerator already released), RPM continue climbing until rev cut 3) Overall, engine is quite powerful for a 1.3 category, but low torque is very horrible. In order to launch a good 0~100kmh test, 1st gear must keep around 5krpm, let it drop a bit when clutch release to avoid too much wheel spin, then full throttle. 4) Such a high rev(late torque machine), 80kmh finishes on 2nd gear?! Seriously, I think the rear end torque is totally ruined by this short shifted gear box ratio 5) If any of you still remember I'm currently doing 2krpm shift up? When I reach MEX, the 1st thing I did was floor the damn pedal. I was prepared for the sluggish response, but it didn't. It works as usual, torque came up late after 3krpm. Plotong ECU learn? Learn 6 7! 6) Was doing 140kmh before Sri Kembangan rest stop, but the tire is strongly disagreeing speeding. Shake until I almost drop my jaw. Is that a common problem for Synergy M3? Or my balance is out? Don't know, gotta send for balancing tomorrow. 7) Tire noise/engine noise is unbearable when cruising 120kmh above 8) After Sri Kembangan R&R, was holding 120kmh corner, the car felt like going to terbalik 9) After MEX Putrajaya toll, back to normal cruising speed. Again, love my SAGA 10) Bumpy roads at Dengkil can not be felt anymore! WOHOO!!! I'm suffering that with my ISWARA every week! Finally.... I accidently formatted my SD card. All the test results/videos has been erased QUOTE(dares @ Apr 7 2012, 11:55 PM) RM10 labor? I bring TESCO engine oil + AMP oil filter bought from spare part shop can boh? QUOTE(r3apers @ Apr 8 2012, 12:01 AM) How am I supposed to remember a word that I do not normally use? |
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Apr 8 2012, 02:17 AM
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Between BOT and convert to 1.6, the 1.6 conversion is more feasible since the Campro isn't built to withstand turbocharging for a long period.
In the end, you will find other compatible materials or opt for forged materials which means spending more time and money. But then IMO, supercharging is more efficient since Campro lacks low end grunt. But sadly supercharging costs more than BOT because one, there are lack of demand (turbo can put BOV and make piu piu sound) and secondly, not many foreman is an expert in supercharger. |
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Apr 8 2012, 09:19 AM
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Darn, can't go to the MROC event, dunno where de hell is my wifu....
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Apr 8 2012, 11:00 AM
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QUOTE(r3apers @ Apr 8 2012, 09:19 AM) Which wifu? the one with two legs or the one with four wheels?Added on April 8, 2012, 11:14 am QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Apr 8 2012, 04:17 AM) Between BOT and convert to 1.6, the 1.6 conversion is more feasible since the Campro isn't built to withstand turbocharging for a long period. You can BOT a Campro with low boost (0.7 bar, 1.0 maybe I dunno), but of course don't boost for long period of time. From what I heard, it's great for urban driving. But on the highway, drive slow slow so you don't boost all the way from KL to Penang In the end, you will find other compatible materials or opt for forged materials which means spending more time and money. But then IMO, supercharging is more efficient since Campro lacks low end grunt. But sadly supercharging costs more than BOT because one, there are lack of demand (turbo can put BOV and make piu piu sound) and secondly, not many foreman is an expert in supercharger. Supercharging a 1.3 But if your car comes with the sissy CVT, forget about it. This post has been edited by dares: Apr 8 2012, 11:14 AM |
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Apr 7 2012, 07:02 PM) Make sure its a trustworthy product. If I were you, the 1st thing will be Air-con pulley, Alternator pulley, Cam pulley, Crank pulley, finally a lighten 1.6 flywheel hook it up, I guess that pretty much my foot work wanted to do. why aircond pulley ar? alternator pulley also? and for the 1.6 flywheel, i never tot that was relevant? all i thought was only 1.6 throttle body and ofcoz with it chip as well. |
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Apr 8 2012, 11:59 AM
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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 8 2012, 11:00 AM) Which wifu? the one with two legs or the one with four wheels? two legs wifu.... she only come back around 10.30++ ...make me lazy go liao...sure hard to find parking already~!Added on April 8, 2012, 11:14 am You can BOT a Campro with low boost (0.7 bar, 1.0 maybe I dunno), but of course don't boost for long period of time. From what I heard, it's great for urban driving. But on the highway, drive slow slow so you don't boost all the way from KL to Penang Supercharging a 1.3 But if your car comes with the sissy CVT, forget about it. |
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Apr 8 2012, 12:54 PM
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FLX with sissy CVT already has 90% of torque at low end. Dont need supercharging nor turbocharging.
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Apr 8 2012, 12:54 PM) 90% torque is still 150Nm max ma (for 1.6l). If you BOT of course you are looking for higher torque figures, which the CVT can hardly accomodate.This post has been edited by dares: Apr 8 2012, 01:01 PM |
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Campro BOT? Do like CFE? lower the compression ratio, izit use a shorter stroker kit? light pressure Turbo, light boost, bigger radiator, oil cooler need?, tuned ECU.. Manual GB of coz...
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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Apr 8 2012, 11:23 AM) why aircond pulley ar? alternator pulley also? and for the 1.6 flywheel, i never tot that was relevant? all i thought was only 1.6 throttle body and ofcoz with it chip as well. Base on my RX-2 experience. Without air-con compressor,engine runs @ optimal. However,later after I air-conned the car, with or without switching on the air-con, I did feel the difference. Slightly heavier than usual. Later I sent the car to mod my aircon compressor at Pasir Putih, the magician rojaked the damn thing with some lighten pulley+higher rpm balanced shaft. Since than I nolonger need to cut off my fan belt when I wanna go drag race Later I went ask for alternator pulley changed to bigger cooling fin+lighten pulley body. With that alone immediately felt like getting another 2hp hooked on my ride As of the flywheel. My brother's magician taught us 20 years ago, it was a momentum plate that hooked up with your clutch. Nowmally bigger CC will have bigger flywheel, normally 4G13/15 upgrade 4G92/93/63 depending on your appetite. However, got 1 good no 2 good, needle no both side sharp as the Chinese old saying goes. Bigger flywheel generate greater momentum top end, but that at the same time sacrfies pickup. So we shred thin(reduce weight) at the same time rebalance the old flywheel. With a lighter+bigger flywheel,pickup will not compromise too much,where as top end strength benefitted damn a lot wei! Typically when you're doing 140kmh, even u tekan habis it will still take 9 years to achieve 180kmh, but u can feel the significant improvement with a bigger lighten flywheel. My 4G13 is using 4G92 flywheel, whereas my brother's 4G15 is using 4G93. At this point, I'm not sure whether PH & PE shares the same size flywheel(I hope not). Changing flywheel will be my last thing to upgrade my CAMPUR engine for the 1st stage mod. Me & my bro use different magician, both different characteristics. 1 prefer standard mod, anything came from same product family, easily obtain parts from chopshop, but guarantee die hard fan from the product family. However, my magician pulak prefer NOT to change stuff but to squeeze the last drop of power to the wheel with all the standard modification. Imagine, our S4PE claims to have 94hp on paper, but then most of the standard machine went for on wheel dyno, they're getting more or less 70bhp Theoritically, combine the 2 magician's mod should came up with super duper quality modification with reasonable cost. Reason being? Both magicians are cheapo modder! |
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QUOTE(AMenzZ @ Apr 8 2012, 01:48 PM) Campro BOT? Do like CFE? lower the compression ratio, izit use a shorter stroker kit? light pressure Turbo, light boost, bigger radiator, oil cooler need?, tuned ECU.. Manual GB of coz... http://funtastickodesign.files.wordpress.c...ssue_43_web.pdfRead page 42 - 49 to find out what internals they changed for the Campro CFE. |
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Hi...
Me juz got something new from Bro Sh@rty5... Simple DIY replacement... NB. Delayed cos of Pos Msia non-working first Sat!! » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Me Lots more 2get done tho...spirit is willing but body is rebelling!! ps. Tks a meg, Bro Sh@rty5!! Added on April 8, 2012, 2:53 pmpps. Can confirm that noises from Rear Drum Brakes is common among FLXs....got info from SC mech... Also saw a VERY new (<1 mth?) Exora CFE undergoing claims for prob with turbo unit... This post has been edited by zeone: Apr 8 2012, 02:54 PM |
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Apr 8 2012, 02:35 PM) Base on my RX-2 experience. Without air-con compressor,engine runs @ optimal. However,later after I air-conned the car, with or without switching on the air-con, I did feel the difference. Slightly heavier than usual. Later I sent the car to mod my aircon compressor at Pasir Putih, the magician rojaked the damn thing with some lighten pulley+higher rpm balanced shaft. Since than I nolonger need to cut off my fan belt when I wanna go drag race ok, nais wan there~ then, where should be start first from all those mods? simple and easy to obtain items? lu punya lubang banyak deras, kasi intro if got lubang to get the parts u wanna get. ofcoz after u become the white mouse and verified satisfied lar~ mauahahahahahahah Later I went ask for alternator pulley changed to bigger cooling fin+lighten pulley body. With that alone immediately felt like getting another 2hp hooked on my ride As of the flywheel. My brother's magician taught us 20 years ago, it was a momentum plate that hooked up with your clutch. Nowmally bigger CC will have bigger flywheel, normally 4G13/15 upgrade 4G92/93/63 depending on your appetite. However, got 1 good no 2 good, needle no both side sharp as the Chinese old saying goes. Bigger flywheel generate greater momentum top end, but that at the same time sacrfies pickup. So we shred thin(reduce weight) at the same time rebalance the old flywheel. With a lighter+bigger flywheel,pickup will not compromise too much,where as top end strength benefitted damn a lot wei! Typically when you're doing 140kmh, even u tekan habis it will still take 9 years to achieve 180kmh, but u can feel the significant improvement with a bigger lighten flywheel. My 4G13 is using 4G92 flywheel, whereas my brother's 4G15 is using 4G93. At this point, I'm not sure whether PH & PE shares the same size flywheel(I hope not). Changing flywheel will be my last thing to upgrade my CAMPUR engine for the 1st stage mod. Me & my bro use different magician, both different characteristics. 1 prefer standard mod, anything came from same product family, easily obtain parts from chopshop, but guarantee die hard fan from the product family. However, my magician pulak prefer NOT to change stuff but to squeeze the last drop of power to the wheel with all the standard modification. Imagine, our S4PE claims to have 94hp on paper, but then most of the standard machine went for on wheel dyno, they're getting more or less 70bhp Theoritically, combine the 2 magician's mod should came up with super duper quality modification with reasonable cost. Reason being? Both magicians are cheapo modder! |
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