Some of you are probably not too young to remember what happened nearly 23 years ago, on March 23, 1989. It was a dramatic announcement of the discovery of the so called Cold Fusion. Some people think that this was the greatest fiasco of the last century; others believe that this discovery was an important step toward future technology of pollution-free nuclear energy.

http://ludkow.info/cf/403memoir.html

This post has been edited by norther: May 23 2012, 07:35 PM

From what I read, the general conclusion is that something weird is going on there, but it probably is not fusion. And no scientist would go anywhere near it. It's also a great way to destroy careers. You'll be branded a kook.

It was a one hit wonder. No one has been able to reproduce the result after the first discovery and everyone is still wondering how it happened in the first place. It failed the reproducible criteria of science. Anyone who is able to reproduce the phenomenon reliably even if it is not cold fusion would probably get an award.

Any kind of known nuclear reaction will produce some kind of ionizing radiation. There's nothing pollution free about it.

nobody knows...still unsolved. if no radiation it cannot be a nuclear process.

If there's radioactive waste, how can it be pollution free?

If no one has solved it, where the science?

The title of this thread does not match the content within.

CLARIFY??

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Added on March 25, 2012, 8:49 pmthe process somehow absorbed by the metal lattice. But as i know it is actually is known to be present in conventional fusion. or maybe some confusion associated with the origin.

This post has been edited by norther: Mar 25 2012, 08:49 PM

It is not science. No one has been able to reproduce the result reliably or explained what has happened.

Neutrons releases were supposedly detected in the original experiment so you will probably end up with irradiated material.

The proposed nuclear reaction under the lower in fusion may not be suffice. Hence accidental experiment on this may not be clarify as the heat sustain sometime may exceed explanation.

Billionaire donates $5.5 million for cold fusion research at the University of Missouri
Sidney Kimmel, the founder of an apparel company has given the University of Missouri $5.5 million to study cold fusion.



http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2012/f...nergy-research/



http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2012/f...turday-science/

From the same link above:

That is actually good advice. Don't make a claim until you can find out about it in detail. Until it is proven to be cold fusion, don't call it that.

This post has been edited by Eventless: Apr 9 2012, 11:27 PM

No, last March they'r working on the experiment 18 hours if i not mistaken it is demonstration and the test compared from January. They also announced that tests on the device will continue for a year. I heard it partly to recover more heat. Just wait

You are misunderstanding what I'm trying to say in my last post. Unless someone can explain how the heat is produced, don't simply label it as cold fusion. It could have another explanation which is not related to fusion.

If you are refering to e-cat, that has nothing to do with the people receiving the money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer
If you are talking about something else, please specify. No one can read your mind.

something else? misleading again if you refer wikipedia. This is a new science and not old science and we needs more experiments to achieve it.

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Added on April 10, 2012, 12:41 amAt the beginning, experiment result in poor reproducibility. Step-by-step, the quality and reproducibility of the results obtained. The program need for an International Research Program. If successful, this Program should also launch an economic and industrial roadmap to define the guidelines of future investment and regulations.

This post has been edited by norther: Apr 10 2012, 12:41 AM

i found a coin on the floor.........

omg omg omg

god is proven

sums up the logical fallacy in this thread

The only person misleading here is you. The purpose of science is to understand things. No one except the creator of e-cat has been allowed access to the device. Until multiple parties can explain how this thing works, it is not science.

The design of the original cold fusion experiment and e-cat is not the same. The people in your article is using the same method as the original experiment. Reproducing the experiment is one of the steps getting it recognized as a legitimate phenomenon. Understanding what is happening is another. The understanding part is still missing. If you don't understand how it works, how can you claim it is cold fusion or any type of fusion?

I am not misleading and i believe now is the right time for a new investigation of the entire cold fusion field by a panel of experts. They should focus on experiments which are nearly always reproducible, not on observations which were reported only once or twice.

I am optimistic that the cold fusion controversy will be resolved, one way or another. The optimism is based on the following quotation from what John Huizenga, the author of the ERAB report, wrote in 1989. “The scientific process is self-corrective.

This claim was not accepted by the physics community on theoretical grounds for several reasons: there was no mechanism known by which two deuterons might approach one another close enough to fuse, since the Coulomb barrier prevents them from approaching at room temperature. If they did approach close enough to fuse, one would expect the conventional dd-fusion reaction products to be observed, since these happen very fast.
This experiment could not seem to be replicated by others at the time, it was easy for the physics community to reject this claim as well.

Cold Fusion supporters are professional physicists and engineers, not weak-minded inventors who, once disparaged, will STAY disparaged.

Nuclear Fision / Other Nuclear Reaction – New Science - New Theory/ Difficult Experiment = New Knowledge & Needs More Experiments!

The 17th International Conference on Cold Fusion will be held August 12 – 17, 2012, in Daejeon, Korea.

http://iccf17.org/

Your are still being misleading. Let me repeat again. The people doing research on this phenomenon is the University Of Missouri which received the millions in donation. The people who are working on e-cat is an Italian group. You are treating the people who are doing the cold fusion research as being the same group that is working e-cat. This is not right.

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Added on April 10, 2012, 4:36 pmHow can e-cat's claim be reproduced and tested when no one else but the creator of the device has access to it?

This post has been edited by Eventless: Apr 10 2012, 04:36 PM

The thermal device they develop are quite similar. The Italian Group Claim about it BUT it needing to be published in a mainstream peer-reviewed scientific journal and as i know APS will take time to accept it and at the end reject it. There is no link to the peer-reviewed mainstream scientific journal article about that research at the moment. Mainstream scientists are encouraged to attend the International Conference on Cold Fusion in Daejeon, Korea Aug 17th 2012.

Recent development are based on nano materials. The International Society for Condensed Matter Nuclear Science. Who else??
Navy found some interesting things on their experiment (conducted by U.S. Navy Cold Fusion Research). They have an Extraordinary Evidence on their experiment and if result combined with other researcher this may be challenging for some people to accept. Still, not everyone is ready to make room for Cold Fusion research in mainstream science.

Let me repeat it again, the Italian group is not allowing anyone to study their device. How can anyone review it if they won't give access other people?

How would you know they are similar? Have you examined it in detail? Don't make claims that you cannot prove. Just because both devices produce heat does not mean they are the same. So if a car engine produces heat then it must be a cold fusion device?

How do you know that italian group not allowying anyone to study their device? How about NASA? Nasa In 2009 "Investigation of Anomalous Heat Observed in bulk palladuim" the experiments, very important, were not made public at that time.

Recent Development

In 2011 Defkalion, a Greek Company former partner of Andrea Rossi, announced it had developed independently a thermal device similar to Rossi’s E-cat capable of generating 10 kW at high temperatures (650 °C).No demonstration available at the moment but the Company claimed, to be available for independent testing in the near future.

In February 2012, at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, during the Cold Fusion Course held by Prof. Peter Hagelstein (DoE Lawrence award), a new device, based on electrochemical environment by Mitchell Swartz, was successfully tested.