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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Liverpool 2-1 Everton- FA CUP FINAL NEXT

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post Mar 25 2012, 01:07 AM

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Now relegation battle team loves to play against Liv. doh.gif

Those new recruit in the last summer are not doing good at all.

KD should shoulder the blame of the loss.
Play 1 upfront against a relegation battle team? No disrespect to Wigan.
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post Mar 25 2012, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Mar 25 2012, 01:07 AM)
No boos this time  laugh.gif

Wonder if we will be getting new gaffer/new player this end of season if this continue... Doubt the yanks will be happy for an 8th after the money spent. sweat.gif
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Just 2 points in front of Everton. doh.gif

Frankly speaking, for me, the game strategy is too negative. Deserved to loss.
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post Mar 25 2012, 01:26 AM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Mar 25 2012, 01:21 AM)
Before people start calling for rafa,plz be reminded that he is much worse and obstinate.His substitutions are in the 85th minute and 90minutes.Rafa will make us play negative football again which i dont want.At least kenny realises his mistake fast enough and brought carroll on at half time.Rafa would never do that.
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Rafa even with many said negativity football, did not has the same as worst situation now, nor the same worst scoring record as currently has, if not mistaken.
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post Mar 25 2012, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(Adryan @ Mar 25 2012, 05:59 AM)
Two wins, two draws and SEVEN defeats from 11 games in 2012.

The squad is definitely not good enough. They lack that mentality and hunger to even want to get anything out of a football game. I'd play Shelvey, Sterling and alot of other youngsters now because they actually do much better than the majority of the shit we put out and especially since our players are 'tired'.

While Kenny does make questionable substitutions and starting eleven choices, I have no doubt that I believe he is still the man to lead the Reds. I've seen enough of him and know enough about him, that he can make things happen for this club.

You can't blame Kenny Dalglish when our strikers don't score or we can't defend a simple ball.

I'm aware maybe he hasn't signed the right players but he's only human and humans make mistakes. He isn't stupid and he'll rectify this mistake in the summer if he believes it is right.

Kenny Dalglish isn't the problem. The problem is the overpaid British prima donnas who have let him down big time.

One of his biggest mistake this season is not bringing in a striker who can score goals in January and that has cost us even a remote chance of getting a top four slot. Andy Carroll and Luis Suarez are not going to score 20 goals each.
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If season start 2012, Liv will be in the relegation battle.

I don't know KD is the man or not, but tactic wise, for me is totally wrong, you don't play 1 striker upfront against a relegation battle team, and a team seldom keep a clean sheet one.
I don't see hunger and urgency to win the game. All head down only after conceding.

You make the choice to buy, how to play, you shoulder the blame, if the player no good, manager is the responsible to bring in the player in the first place.
Manager decided how to play, when you play 1 upfront, and the rest of players are not interested to join in to attack for go into penalty box when cross come in, how to score?
Often I see many players stay outside of penalty box when attack from the flank by fullback, how to score like that?

It is not the like the club has no money to pay for new recruit, whereby manager hand is tight and limited choice. 40-50 million had been spent, and cannot even win against relegation battle teams, it is not one off poor game, but a string of poor result since 2012 start.
Play poorly against Bolton, Sunderland, Wigan, even Cardiff.

Everton, Sunderland hardly got money to spend one, only 2 points below, even Newcastle is performing way better than what Liv had shown.

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post Mar 25 2012, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(simplicio @ Mar 25 2012, 02:35 AM)
KD saying tired players...is just too lame and too proud.
Will we win every game if we are not in cup competition?

poor drop tats it !!
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Fans also tired see this kind of display and string of poor result.
I can accept manager said play poorly, but I can't accept manager find excuse this excuse that.
Other teams also play roughly the same amount of matches throughout the season.
Tired? Play sort it out the fitness issue!
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post Mar 25 2012, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Mar 25 2012, 03:13 PM)
Add robbie keane,morientes,voronin,el zhar,nunez,dossena,aurelio(glass),pennant,zenden,jovanovic,babel,ngog,mark gonzalez,momo sissoko rolleyes.gif

Seriously,if you guys think kenny is failure then rafa will be a failure as well because you are going back to the past for managers.Rafa was great up to 08/09 but he lost the plot after that.Of course HG are to blame but rafa went to inter and screwed up there as well.If the manager job becomes vacant i wouldn't want rafa back for now until he goes somewhere else and proves himself again.
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You have answer your own.

Don't get me wrong,
I am not calling KD to be sacked, nor want Rafa back.

But as compared, at current display since the start of 2012, it is very very poor, much poorer than Rafa era, be it result wise or performance, tactic wise, club, players and manager should shoulder the blame.
Poor is poor, don't need to find excuse for it, but sort it out and rectify the situation.


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post Mar 25 2012, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Mar 25 2012, 03:56 PM)
Kenny's mistake now is persisting with 4-5-1 formation and favouritism for the likes of adam and henderson.Adam isn't LFC material and henderson shouldn't be playing 90minutes every game at his age.If kenny realises his mistake i can pretty much guarantee we will get our season back on track soon enough.Adryan gave us our form guide in the previous page when carroll started and didn't start.Is it a surprise?I sounded like a broken record stating these as nobody understood me for the past few months sad.gif

With agger,johnson,kelly and bellamy to return i think we can still salvage this season with a top 6 finish.Contrary to what most think,we stand a good chance of making it to the finals of the FA cup as we do well in the cup games.
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I can guess is that whenever Carroll start, it means formation must be 2 upfront, be it 4-4-2 or 4-1-3-2.
More positive!

You cannot score many goals and win matches without positive mindset/tactic.
Apart from playing top team, lone striker may be ok as to tighten the midfield area, as those game generally you need very tight to win game or keep clean sheet. But the rest of the match, must go for it. Play lone striker seldom get you positive result.

Top 6?
If Newcastle win today, with 8 points gap, 8 games left, it is extremely difficult, especially Liv never manage to have a long winning streak, since the season started back Aug.
If finish the season at 7th at current position, already consider quite good already based on current form. sweat.gif


Added on March 25, 2012, 5:44 pmNext few matches is like against Blackburn, Swansea, Norwich, WBA are "tough" match based on current display. doh.gif

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post Mar 25 2012, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(Adryan @ Mar 25 2012, 05:57 PM)
I wouldn't want Rafa's medical team tongue.gif Gerrard and Torres were way injured too often under them!!! And Torres is injury free at Chelsea!

I tell you what, though, if Rafa wasn't working under H and G, we would have won at least two league titles. We were probably a couple of players away after 2008/2009 but the damage that Hicks and Gillett did were done back in 2007.

Rafa may have his flaws. He's terrible in man management but he's a mastermind tactician. Made us number one in Europe as well and understood the club for what it stood for.

Love the man.
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I do agree on this part, from my observation, KD is lacking in this area.
But I don't quite agree with KD handle of player or the starting XI.
For eg.
Maxi bang in goal in consecutive match, in form, then suddenly drop.
Carroll started to show a glimpse of hope of form, then drop to the bench.

Keep on starting XI (if they are available) and formation, and the way team play, if you are in winning streak, and playing well.
In the early season, I saw the team was playing quite well despite having many draw, but now it become a relegation team favourite team to play against. doh.gif
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post Mar 28 2012, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(Petre @ Mar 28 2012, 05:54 PM)
rumors bellamy having bust up with KD. no good rumors to hear though. see if KD learns his lesson, miracle can still happen, if we can win all remaining games. possible? if there is one club that can pull it, its Liverpool FC
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Sorry, can't see this happening especially this season, I had never see a streak of win more than 2-3 matches this season.
You expect to win the rest 8 games while the team just manage to win 2 matches since 2012 year began?

I am more afraid of drawing and losing streak in the remaining games.

You cannot win enough games or have a good streak of winning, if scoring is one of the problem.



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post Apr 1 2012, 09:57 PM

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6 defeat for the last 7 matches?

Worst than QPR, Wigan, Blackburn! doh.gif
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post Apr 1 2012, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Apr 1 2012, 10:04 PM)
yes but does it need more highlighting?

Dont u think 50% of why the players morale ia so low is because everytime they go online this is all they can see?

who else do we expect to give support to our own players?
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It is not one off, 2 or matches that occur.
It has been like that since 2012 start.

Fan morale also low.

Yes, people highlighted to the manager, even non-technical football fan also can see, once opponent manage to score, it is 95% no way back for Liv.
Either play poorly, or when in better day, cannot convert chance made.
Stat won't lie too much sometimes, if a team has trouble to score, and low in goal scoring stat, it means the team has serious problem.
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post Apr 1 2012, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Apr 1 2012, 10:10 PM)
I'm praying that KK will blast the players. If not... really... I'd be pissed off. The team is in shambles. we're so far away from 5th and 6th, let alone 4th spot.
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Far away from 5th, 6th?
It is relegation stat since from 2012 started time.

If continue like that, I am not surprise finish at bottom half of table.
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post Apr 1 2012, 10:14 PM

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6 defeat in 7 in making

I hope nobody blame the red card for the defeat, the red card has nothing to do with it.
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post Apr 1 2012, 10:17 PM

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I do think KK has lost the plot.

Sorry not mean to calling for KK sacking.
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post Apr 1 2012, 10:20 PM

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If not mistaken,
The stat of 6 defeat in 7, as well as stat since 2012 is even worst than Roy short tenure in charge.
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post Apr 1 2012, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Apr 1 2012, 10:21 PM)
Next 3 games---> Aston Villa, Blackburn, Everton(FA)
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Personally think that it is irrelevant now, the season has ended basically.

Even win FA cup, may not able to repair the damage on league (unless win 7 in a row in last 7 matches, which I don't think so)
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post Apr 1 2012, 10:24 PM

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Personally think that, the too long out of football management may taking the toll.
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post Apr 2 2012, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Apr 2 2012, 08:41 AM)
We didn't give Roy much time too.

Don't let the legend cloud our judgement.
He should deliver the result. We don't ask for EPL champion but at least a reasonable result and league position.

That 100 millions signings have caused a lot of damage. None of the players seems good.
I doubt we will have another 100 millions to build the Rome.
Neither we have another 50 millions player to sell.
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Roy half season in charge's string of result is quite similar to KK nearly half season between end of Dec until April (now)
But under Roy tenure, Liv did not suffer 6 defeat in 7 matches.

To be fair,
At least Roy did not half 50 million of signing. He worked on shoe string budget.

Don't get me wrong, I am not calling for KK sacking, but the performance and result since 2012 started is awful. This is undeniable fact.
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post Apr 2 2012, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 2 2012, 08:55 AM)
A legend who has won much desrves time.

woy is not................

saying that none of the players are good ovverkill.....

Enrique and suarez is no good?
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Sorry can't agree on this statement.

I agreed KK may need to give more time to prove, but a string of 6 defeat in 7 matches, manager should bare a lot of responsibility for that.
A legend, we respect, but a legend doesn't mean deserve more time that other. Everyone is the same, judged by performance and result.

In the early season, yes, some points lose due to luck despite play brilliantly, but since the new year, I don't know what happen, performance drop since that until now.

Mind that out if those 6 defeat are against top team, like City, MU, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, still debatable.

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post Apr 7 2012, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(moodswingfella @ Apr 7 2012, 02:24 PM)
honestly I dont bother too much bout pass n move. but give us 'shoot and score' pls.
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Ya, long time haven't see long range shot and goals from midfielders, those like Alonso, Hamann, Berger, Gerrard.
Also, little freekick goal scored as well as far as I remember.


Added on April 7, 2012, 2:43 pmThose thunderbolt strike like Riise as well.

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