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SUShack3line
post Mar 16 2012, 04:42 PM, updated 14y ago

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QUOTE(menj @ Mar 15 2012, 05:10 PM)
I think the problem with our football is that everyone worships the ground EPL / European football walks on. Everyone wants our boys to play in EPL / Europe when we should be looking east instead. I think encouraging our footballers to go to J-League or A-League should be up for consideration.
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i kinda agree with this kind of statement
so now we take japan as an example..
because in low yat forum.. some people always blame asian physical features..

comparison of Malaysia (Asian player) vs Slovakia (European player) laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Lifeis@mess @ Aug 26 2011, 10:39 AM)
look at japanese and korean footballer physical 10 years ago and compare it with current player..their player seems got a little bit big inphysical nowadays(not too big but still ok than other asians people) .although we got asian gen in our body, if we eat the right food,our body will grow better and taller a bit.true story
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QUOTE(deanmalenko @ Mar 14 2012, 10:48 PM)
orang asia di lahirkan untuk bermain badminton dan sepak takraw

bukan bola sepak
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but then how come japan always qualified in world cup, and their women football players already WIN WORLD CUP !!

japan female footballers already win world cup
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japanese female footballers already win world cup


QUOTE(athlonmax @ Mar 12 2012, 12:23 PM)
i dont think our players is lack of talents,it's their mentality on becoming a professional player that are missing.
its all in the mind,and playing in the local league also doesnt help that much on their professionalism and dedication to becoming a better player.
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this kind of comment will be discuss further in the article

QUOTE(i love you @ Jul 17 2011, 06:07 PM)
football not only need infrastructure

football need system

it require social, culture, education, infrastructure, business, government, economy and politic.
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hmmm..

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ok, here is some nice article, the idea of how japan can be asian superpower in football.. its all start from good youth development and also strenghtening their local league

Japan’s first ‘new generation’ of football future ~ Phillipe Trousier era as japan national coach for Japan 2002 world cup campaign


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As Japan celebrate a record fourth continental title with an extra-time victory over Australia in the AFC Asian Cup Qatar 2011™ final, Philippe Troussier reflects on leading the Samurai Blue to glory in 2000.

At that AFC Asian Cup in Lebanon, a new generation of Japanese players burst onto the continental scene in spectacular fashion, dazzling the region with a series of performances that left no doubt that the balance of power was shifting east.

Victories over Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan and Iraq were as comprehensive as they were spectacular and the Philippe Troussier-coached side eventually marched to the title, defeating the Saudis in the final in Beirut as Japan claimed the AFC Asian Cup for a second time.

Within two years, many within the team would be household names across Asia as the likes of Junichi Inamoto, Shinji Ono and Naohiro Takahara led the way as Japan reached the second round of the 2002 FIFA World Cup.

current japan football success story start from their youth and local league


But while the performance at the co-hosted FIFA World Cup impressed two years later, the win at the AFC Asian Cup was a key milestone on the way towards that run towards the last 16 in Korea/Japan.

“I was lucky to find a very beautiful generation, especially as I called it at the time ‘The J.League Generation’,” Troussier told www.afcasiancup.com.

“These young players were in contact with many foreign players, it was the beginning of the J.League in 1993, when they built the league, and the first strategy was to invite some foreign coaches and players, leaders from abroad like Gary Lineker and Dunga. This idea influenced the youngsters.

“My generation, with Shunsuke Nakamura, Junichi Inamoto, Naohiro Takahara, Shinji Ono, this talented generation was in contact with this process and it is one of the reasons why this team was so good from a technical aspect and from a tactical aspect.”


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The Japanese arrived in Lebanon midway through this process and on the way to the FIFA World Cup finals, which the country was co-hosting with Korea Republic.

Troussier had been appointed two years earlier and, in addition to working with the national team, was handed the reins of the country’s highly promising under 20 team as well as the Olympic side.

After leading the nation to the final of the World Youth Championship in Nigeria in 1999, the Frenchman steered Japan to the quarter-finals of the Sydney Olympic Games before embarking on the final preparations for the pursuit of a second AFC Asian Cup title in three tournaments.

“It was a young team and I have a very good memory of it because we played all the matches without conflict,” says Troussier.

“I remember at the World Youth Championship after the matches I was completely tired because I had to take control of the whole process because we were at the beginning.

“But in 2000, I was completely Zen. Why? Because we played the Olympic Games before and there were a lot of players who went from the Olympics to the Asian Cup. It was my plan to improve the potential of the team step-by-step.

“We wanted to teach them, to build on their potential but also to give them some experiences, positive or negative. I wanted to increase their experience of playing in big events and in my process it was necessary to play in the Asian Cup and also have some players from the Olympic team.

Japan youth football talent nowaday.. thanks to its good system


“When I played at the Asian Cup it was about building. Of course, we wanted to do our best and to win but the main aim was to build.

Phillipe Troussier now implemented this kind of youth system in his current club FC Ryukyu
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“I had two tasks: the first was to get results but the second was to give experience to the players. It’s not so easy to assemble the two plans because not everyone cares about building the team; you have get results.”


The results soon followed, however. Japan defeated Saudi Arabia 4-1, Uzbekistan fell to an 8-1 defeat while Qatar managed to secure a 1-1 draw that left Japan top of their group in the opening round.

From there, Iraq were dealt a 4-1 loss in the quarter-finals before victory over China in the semi-finals set up a rematch in the final with Saudi Arabia, a game the Japanese won 1-0 thanks to a solitary goal from Shigeyoshi Mochizuki.

And while the desire to win the title existed within the team from the beginning of tournament, there was one incident in particular that ensured Troussier coveted the famous old trophy.

“It was a funny situation because I was with my wife, she went with us to Beirut,” he recalls.

“Ten days or so before the final, it was a Sunday and I visited Beirut and there, in a shop window, was the Asian Cup, It was there.

“And with my wife I saw the Asian Cup and so this cup was in my mind. Usually I’m working to get the title but this was the first time to feel that it was necessary to get the cup.

Of course, I wanted to give experience to the players and it was part of the process to build for the World Cup and I was like a teacher and I was explaining everything to the players, many small details to educate them.

really young japanese football talent.. level : asian


“But then I also decided to collect the cup. It was now in my mind.”

Troussier’s determination was transferred to his players and, ultimately, it paid off, both in the short term and further down the road.

“I was sure this Asian Cup would be very important for the future and after that the success is coming from luck, from work and from many things,” he says.

“We got the Cup, we had a good tournament, we had the best players, the best team and the best attack, the best defence.

“It was important for us to be champions of Asia. We were organising the World Cup, we needed a representation and to be the kings of Asia for me was necessary because after the Asian Cup immediately I understood to be Asian champions that you a have the key to the world.

“When we were Asian champions, we started a second process and the process to be Asian champions is not the same to be world champion and after the Asian Cup I discovered another situation.”

japanese young female footballers that already win world cup


That realisation saw Troussier and his team take a new approach, invigorated by the confidence instilled in them by their AFC Asian Cup win.

The results in the years that followed – earning a place in the final of the FIFA Confederations Cup in 2001 and reaching the second round of the FIFA World Cup in 2002, speak for themselves.

source : http://www.the-afc.com/en/afc-asian-cup-ne...-new-generation

Malaysia vs Japan.. we lost so bad in our home ground sad.gif
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Malaysia vs Japan youth playing comparison.. honestly, i think we still far to play in real world cup stage sweat.gif


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I think the part where Toussier said " Of course we want to win AFC Cup, but main focus is building."

This mentality isn't with us, Malaysians are impatient with the results. Already said Olympic qualifier is for exposure, but after one/two games, already some quarters say axe this player, axe that player.


Another part is our state FA's role in youth development. The State FA focus too much on building a team for Liga Super. They should focus a lot more into their respective state leagues.


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I think why the Malaysian football team is not good enough is due to the football system in the country.

First of all, we don't have very good leagues and youth system. In Europe and probably in Japan or Korea, kids join the youth academy of a club since young and they get built on from there from good coaches (the coaching quality is also important). When they reach that age like 17 or 18, if they're good enough, they play and if they are not, they probably move to another club.

Take a look at Barcelona's la Masia academy for an example. It was completely revamped in the 1980s and look what it has done. It's beginning to pay off now and at the moment, Liverpool FC is doing something similar and their youngsters have been pretty decent. Everyone in La Masia lived together, near the Nou Camp, grow up playing since probably under 15 to play the Barcelona way which we see now. Gerard Pique, Lionel Messi, Cesc Fabregas, Mikel Arteta, Pepe Reina, Xavi Hernandez, Andres Iniesta, Victor Valdes, Pedro, Sergio Busquets and even probably Christian Tello all came through La Masia.

Obviously, we're no where near that but the point is, we don't encourage the sport enough. I heard a story from my friend about this hockey player. Malaysians, as you know are pretty good at hockey and there was this kid who was arguably the best in the country. Then, he got injured one game and he was out for about 6 months plus. Here's where it gets disappointing, he wasn't taken care off well enough by the staff or the club or the nation's medical doctor so he eventually just gave up and retired from the sport. I mean, look how easy it is to lose a potential star?

In Europe and other Asia nations, they look after their players and give them the best they can. Not here. You've heard stories of Kaka injuring his spine and was told he may not be able to play football when he was a teenager but he made a full recovery and was Player of the Year 2007. There was also a story of Steven Gerrard's right toe getting stuck in a garden fork and the doctors wanted to cut it off but the Liverpool team said 'No, he's a good player and we want it' when he was like 7 years old!!

And, i remember rightly FAM stopped allowing foreigners to come and play a few years ago. How are we going to improve if we don't play with others?

Another thing is the mentality of us Malaysians. Because the standard of the league at home is so poor and the money you earn isn' that good, most prefer just to be something else, be it a student who continues studies or work in the office. They don't have the motivation to even play in Malaysia. And honestly, with alot of politics in the league, some don't even bother!

I personally don't see any local teams play but I've managed to see the National Selection XI play when Chelsea, Man United, Arsenal and Liverpool come and oh my goodness, terrible.

I know alot of Asians are smaller in stature but football is not about size or strength. Granted, strenght, size, pace and all help in the sport but it's all about the brain. The best players in the world are mostly small in comparison to the average footballer. Look at Messi, Xavi and Iniesta.

I've said it before and I will say it again, football goes much more than strength, pace and kicking balls. You need to have the brain in terms of anticipation, awareness, positional play and so on and that's what the Japanese or Koreans have to compensate for their lack of size.
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1. I'm going to be lil bit bias statement here (not in terms of quality of course).There are SSBJ, SSTMI, and a lots of state project boarding schools across the country.
2. I'm not sure abt ur frens but i'm pretty sure hockey in Malaysia is not a professional path to begin with. As a matter of fact, lots of Malaysian international players play for Australia/ Holland & etc for short period of time (3 months or so). And to make it interesting, one of em is an engineer, got an offer to play with aussie club, apply a job at aussie (apply or offered im not sure lah) and play hockey there too. ( i forgot his name sorry abt that).. yes he's malaysian international hockey player.
3. the standard is poor = agree. not much money pumped into the sports. afterall we're not really a major player in the economy to begin with, so how many companies are willing to spend onto sports.
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I don't know much about the sports school in Malaysia but what is also important is what happens after that ..

Maybe hockey wasn't a good example but I was just saying, a teen with alot of potential was easily forgotten when he got injured. I mean, it could be the same for the other sports in the country.

You will see rewards if effort to improve the sport is put in. We're not going to improve at all if everyone has the same thinking of 'only put money when we're good in the sport'. Won't get anywhere without doing anything IMO.

Even the facilities can be improved. The FAM place in Kelana Jaya is the place where the Malaysian team trains (i heard) but the field is rubbish. Full of thrash around it as well. I mean, it should at least have some standard because it's where the national team trains! I used to play on the RSC field every week and that field is 10x better!
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QUOTE(Adryan @ Mar 16 2012, 08:43 PM)

Even the facilities can be improved
. The FAM place in Kelana Jaya is the place where the Malaysian team trains (i heard) but the field is rubbish. Full of thrash around it as well. I mean, it should at least have some standard because it's where the national team trains! I used to play on the RSC field every week and that field is 10x better!
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bro, recently one of the former u19 player went to NZ for trial
just look at the field there.
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and to tell you that this boy only went there for low level NZ football (not with professional club).. with such high quality pitch, shocking.gif

here's his fb page https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ariff-Zulkif...256812657718011

kat shah alam bro nak cari padang terbaik pon susah utk orang main petang / sewa.

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QUOTE(Adryan @ Mar 16 2012, 07:44 PM)
I think why the Malaysian football team is not good enough is due to the football system in the country.

First of all, we don't have very good leagues and youth system. In Europe and probably in Japan or Korea, kids join the youth academy of a club since young and they get built on from there from good coaches (the coaching quality is also important). When they reach that age like 17 or 18, if they're good enough, they play and if they are not, they probably move to another club.
Our facilities are severely lacking and we're scouting players when they're too old. I was at the Terengganu stadium and I can see why the AFC is reluctant to hold matches there. It is old and decaying. No news on when the new stadium will be ready. I met with officials from the T-Team and they're scouting for players between the ages of 13-18. Too old. You need to groom kids from as early as 8. They at least however have plans to raise the standard of football, which includes an academy, much like Kelantan already has. The T-Team officials are young, enterprising and are looking to the future. This is in start contrast to the TFA who are very much older, backward and set in their ways. The latter reflects the FAM IMO. We need new blood who are in touch with today's world. This must change first above all.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Mar 17 2012, 05:56 PM)
Our facilities are severely lacking and we're scouting players when they're too old. I was at the Terengganu stadium and I can see why the AFC is reluctant to hold matches there. It is old and decaying. No news on when the new stadium will be ready. I met with officials from the T-Team and they're scouting for players between the ages of 13-18. Too old. You need to groom kids from as early as 8. They at least however have plans to raise the standard of football, which includes an academy, much like Kelantan already has. The T-Team officials are young, enterprising and are looking to the future. This is in start contrast to the TFA who are very much older, backward and set in their ways. The latter reflects the FAM IMO. We need new blood who are in touch with today's world. This must change first above all.
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Yeah. We need to groom players since they are 8 as you said but like I've said before, how many parents are actually willing to risk their kids concentrating 100% on football when the standard of football here is so poor and there's not much of a living they can make out of it. My dad was very supportive of me in football ( I used to play for RSC between 11 to 15) when I was younger but I don't think he'll ever want me to make it my career though I often joke about being a professional student, rather than a student in a university, lol. Whereas in Europe, you see parents trying to get the best deals possible from clubs wanting to sign their kids like Messi and Gerrard for example.

 

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