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tankerbell12345
post Mar 15 2012, 04:53 PM


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Vietnamese and Cantonese were highly disputed to be related in ancient times because Viet means Yue and Canto also means Yue as well. In Chinese, Yue Nan means Vietnam


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"Han Chinese wasn't originated from Guangdong/Guangxi area of China, they originated from Yellow river, which means central China.Just as Yue wasn't Han Chinese, they were forced to join Han Chinese, and slowly assimilated into Han population. Mandarin was invented by Han Chinese under Manchu order, that's why they sound different from Cantonese."

Cantonese orginated from massive immigration of han populations all across china, and absorbed the yue while going into guangdong, yet yue concentration is still very low. No cantonese i've spoken too consider themselves Viet.

Cantonese and mandarin and other chinese dialects are a continium of Old Chinese, its like latin spread out across southern europe with french,spanish,italian,romanian branching off, although speakers can't understand each other's language, their languages are very close with latin. Cantonese does not have viet words, any similarites is because cantonese was the closest chinese dialect and influenced vietnamese. Mandarin actually evolved in around 1000-1500AD Search up Zhongyuan Yinyun

"Btw, there isn't enough evidence to support Cantonese people are Han Chinese. Just from their physical appearance they are actually more closely related to Vietnamese than Han Chinese."

"European Journal of Human Genetics advance online publication 23 January 2008; doi: 10.1038/sj.ejhg.5201998

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gua bukan cantonese...

gua hakka yin
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post Mar 15 2012, 04:55 PM


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gua bukan kantonis
gua melayu
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how about hmong?
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post Mar 15 2012, 04:57 PM


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Care so much about origin. We all came out from a similar cave, only different location.
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wah lau eh, go wiki up Viet then check back Vietnam. Your answer is incorrect.
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post Mar 15 2012, 04:59 PM


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ayam a hakka dat speaks cantonese, mandarin, english, malay, hakka:D
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post Mar 15 2012, 04:59 PM


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QUOTE(strace @ Mar 15 2012, 04:57 PM)
how about hmong?
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han chinese + hmong (wu or miao) ===> japanese
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post Mar 15 2012, 05:00 PM


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hell with origin, me is me, others are others, whatever past/present happened had nothing to do with me without my consent
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So, this is the Chinese version of Hack3line...
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gua bukan human...gua alien
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post Mar 15 2012, 05:02 PM


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QUOTE(Haruyuki @ Mar 15 2012, 05:01 PM)
gua bukan human...gua alien
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gua = cave

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post Mar 15 2012, 05:04 PM


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QUOTE(Draconian Paladin @ Mar 15 2012, 05:00 PM)
So, this is the Chinese version of Hack3line...
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post Mar 15 2012, 05:07 PM


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mandarin = manchu language
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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Mar 15 2012, 04:59 PM)
han chinese  + hmong (wu or miao) ===> japanese
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bollock... japanese ia yayoi n jomon ppl.... there were also ainu ppl
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ Mar 15 2012, 05:08 PM)
bollock...    japanese ia yayoi n jomon ppl....  there were also ainu ppl
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i heard japanese ancestors came from Malaya..
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post Mar 15 2012, 05:14 PM


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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ Mar 15 2012, 05:08 PM)
bollock...    japanese ia yayoi n jomon ppl....   there were also ainu ppl
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many japanese culture came from qin dynasty. Many of their ancestors were soldiers to qin dynasty who refused modernisation and defected to japan.



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NO WONDER LA THESE CANTONAIS PPL SO DAMN >>> FFFFF LA.

any cainis here get this advice from ur parents/grandparents b4?

"If u wan find wife/husband, make sure not cantonese. Hokkien or Hakka is the best."
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post Mar 15 2012, 05:19 PM


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QUOTE(Raitama @ Mar 15 2012, 05:14 PM)
NO WONDER LA THESE CANTONAIS PPL SO DAMN >>> FFFFF LA.

any cainis here get this advice from ur parents/grandparents b4?

"If u wan find wife/husband, make sure not cantonese. Hokkien or Hakka is the best."
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u know why last time hokkien couldnt marry certain lineage of cantonese ? Cause some line of cantonese were orinigally hokkien assimilated to canto to prevent persecution during manchu rule. My mom told me

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post Mar 15 2012, 05:21 PM


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how about hokkien lang and teochew nang?
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I just went back from vietnam. When they talk it's almost similar to cantonese sound. Then I found this thread so I believe canto and vietnamese are from the same origin
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post Mar 15 2012, 05:23 PM


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watch d movie "Emperor and The Assassin". Qin dynasty culture in detail.
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post Mar 15 2012, 05:25 PM


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QUOTE(jonny4 @ Mar 15 2012, 05:23 PM)
watch d movie "Emperor and The Assassin". Qin dynasty culture in detail.
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No doubt veitnam was influenced by qin but still cant deny the same origin
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post Mar 15 2012, 05:27 PM


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now only u know ah ' du ma "
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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Mar 15 2012, 05:25 PM)
No doubt veitnam was influenced by qin but still cant deny the same origin
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how come Mongolian no invade ur thread yet ?
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post Mar 15 2012, 05:32 PM


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QUOTE(jonny4 @ Mar 15 2012, 05:29 PM)
how come Mongolian no invade ur thread yet ?
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He got bashed. I said that that eventhough mongolian were so good in military but they got nothing when it comes to culture and eventually many of the mongolian invader assimilated into chinese han.
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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Mar 15 2012, 05:32 PM)
He got bashed. I said that that eventhough mongolian were so good in military but they got nothing when it comes to culture and eventually many of the mongolian invader assimilated into chinese han.
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ready ur defences. he gathering reinforcements fr Manchu n Hui allies biggrin.gif
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post Mar 15 2012, 05:34 PM


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Fyi, the yue (Viet) and yue (Canton) in Chinese word is totally different.. Just the sound is similar..
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You sure do like this kind of history root thinggy, TS
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post Mar 15 2012, 05:40 PM


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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ Mar 15 2012, 05:08 PM)
bollock...    japanese ia yayoi n jomon ppl....   there were also ainu ppl
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U know why japanese said sick man of asia to china last time ? It caused although they left china long time ago, they still paid tribute to their ancient emperor in china. So seeing china fell , they also felt great pain in their heart. In olden day china dynasty, if u failed in a mission, the penalty was head chopped off. Of course its a generalisation but there are also other minority enthic groups but majority is still han + hmong.

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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ Mar 15 2012, 06:08 PM)
bollock...    japanese ia yayoi n jomon ppl....   there were also ainu ppl
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Ainu...fairest skins.. brows.gif

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Masih tak habis menghisap weed si Hack3line ni.
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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Mar 15 2012, 04:53 PM)
Vietnamese and Cantonese were highly disputed to be related in ancient times because Viet means Yue and Canto also means Yue as well. In Chinese, Yue Nan means Vietnam
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"Han Chinese wasn't originated from Guangdong/Guangxi area of China, they originated from Yellow river, which means central China.Just as Yue wasn't Han Chinese, they were forced to join Han Chinese, and slowly assimilated into Han population. Mandarin was invented by Han Chinese under Manchu order, that's why they sound different from Cantonese."

Cantonese orginated from massive immigration of han populations all across china, and absorbed the yue while going into guangdong, yet yue concentration is still very low. No cantonese i've spoken too consider themselves Viet.

Cantonese and mandarin and other chinese dialects are a continium of Old Chinese, its like latin spread out across southern europe with french,spanish,italian,romanian branching off, although speakers can't understand each other's language, their languages are very close with latin. Cantonese does not have viet words, any similarites is because cantonese was the closest chinese dialect and influenced vietnamese. Mandarin actually evolved in around 1000-1500AD Search up Zhongyuan Yinyun

"Btw, there isn't enough evidence to support Cantonese people are Han Chinese. Just from their physical appearance they are actually more closely related to Vietnamese than Han Chinese."

"European Journal of Human Genetics advance online publication 23 January 2008; doi: 10.1038/sj.ejhg.5201998
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academic use ''btw'' ka? dont try mix personal comments with research to confuse people
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post Apr 23 2012, 10:04 PM


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Vietnamese is not from China. The Yue from Guangdong got nothing to do with Vietnamese. Most Han Chinese, including Cantonese have similar Y-DNA and mtDNA. Only the Pinghua speakers have different Y-DNA. This means that Cantonese speakers share similar ancestry with the rest of ethnic Han Chinese. So no, Cantonese and Vietnamese do not share the same origin.

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The Han Chinese is the largest single ethnic group in the world, consisting of ten Chinese branches. With the exception of the Pinghua branch, the genetic structure of this group has been studied extensively, and Y chromosome and mitochondrial (mt)DNA data have demonstrated a coherent genetic structure of all Han Chinese.


http://www.nature.com/jhg/journal/v53/n4/abs/jhg200837a.html

QUOTE(PVCpipe @ Mar 15 2012, 05:07 PM)
mandarin = manchu language
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Mandarin=/=Manchu language

Mandarin=Sinitic language
Manchu=Altaic language

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