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 GENNEVA MALAYSIA, some facts.., READ and UNDERSTAND

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post Jun 25 2012, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(AUGUST777 @ Jun 25 2012, 09:20 PM)
It is just a savings account secured by gold. Just like when you put in your money in the bank, you get a bank book and you get interests per year at say 3.5%. When you want to withdraw, you just take out your original amount you put in. That's in a nutshell.
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Saving account is a deposit form.
Having a saving account for other to put in is a deposit taking.
Any deposit taking need BNM approval.




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post Aug 10 2012, 01:42 PM

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10 August 2012, THE STAR, Nation, Page 33:

Gold traders: It could be a misunderstanding

GEORGE TOWN: Some gold trading companies could have entered Bank Negara’s consumer alert list due to a misunderstanding, said the Gold Bullion Entrepreneurs Association of Malaysia (GBEAM).

GBEAM secretary-general Datuk Joseph Kow said the misunderstanding might have occurred when some customers misunderstood the gold products they had bought from these companies.

“When they make certain queries with Bank Negara regarding their gold purchases, they could have used terms like interest and investment to describe the transactions.

“The terms investment and interest could have triggered Bank Negara’s alert system, prompting it to place these companies under its consumer alert list,” he said.

Kow was commenting on news reports about some gold trading companies that had appeared on the consumer alert list.

He explained that a gold trading company will need a banking licence from the authorities if they are selling gold as a form of investment that generates interest.
I think the bolded statement is the key discussion.

Also why if just trading gold, or buy gold and own it, the term of "interest" needs to be used?
Even give discount on goods purchase isn't it people use the term "discount" or "rebate"?
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post Aug 13 2012, 11:09 AM

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This is not a sales thread, please do not post any advertise type of post, advertise of service provided including contact.
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post Aug 13 2012, 11:10 AM

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If want to discuss, discuss it here, not link to others website.
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post Aug 13 2012, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(PatEagle @ Aug 13 2012, 11:13 AM)
Noted with thanks. However, adding my contact numbers is for those who would like to call me directly for further clarification as I'm not online 27/4 to entertain LYN forumers. Thank you.


Added on August 13, 2012, 11:18 am
I beg to differ as that is definitely not my intention.
That is to quote the SOURCE, proof of the pudding, not meant to lead others to discuss elsewhere as you assumed. Thank you.
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Any such post will be deleted and not welcomed.
As mentioned this is not a sales thread, this is merely a discussion thread.

Quote source is one thing.
But you do not post something like click www.abc....xxx for info. without any discussion in place.


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post Aug 13 2012, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(PatEagle @ Aug 13 2012, 11:38 AM)
I beg to differ again. I note that you have deleted my reply to edyek below, which does not support your stand  above.
ADDED NOTE: cherroy, much appreciated if you could reinstate the rest of my replies at this thread (if you've deleted them) so forumers following this thread are better informed. Thank you.
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Same rules applied to all.

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post Aug 16 2012, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 16 2012, 07:26 AM)
The banks are probably trading illegally as well.....

DO they have the phsysical gold backing their gold accounts?  i wonder?
Why do they discourage taking up delivery of the physical? i wonder?  hmm.gif
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Banks do have authority approval before they set up gold investment account.

Gold investment account, doesn't means or mandate required by BNM to have the same amount of physical gold backing for it or must deliver physical of gold for every g they sold, depended on T&C se in the gold investment account.

They are not selling gold to you, but an investment on gold value.
The name speaks itself, gold investment account.
It is an investment.

Gold investment account can be backed or hedged by banks using gold futures contract, derivatives product etc, to protect bank interest/position, not necessary by physical gold.

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 17 2012, 07:11 AM)
And how do we know that its backed by anything?
Dont the customer have a right to know whats the backing as it is not PIDM?
Isnt doing this tradimg of other gold derived instrsuments conflict of interest as evidenced
by Goldman Sucks housing loan contracts? 
Thats why theres call for banks to separate commercial and investing activities completely.

i dont think they tell you in the prospectus...

when i first invested in PBB gold account in 2008 i think, they allowed physical gold withdrwals.
Then abruptly they discontinued this....wonder why?
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My guess, it is too hassle and pose security threat.
Merely earn little spread, but deliver physical can be quite hassle, while expose to security risk as well as need to spend more money on security expense, insurance etc.

You trust the bank.
Just like you deposit FD in bank, you do not know where the money being lend out, or how they use the money.

Yes.
I agreed with you on this, investment and banking is better to be separated it out.
For gold investment account, it is better being run by investment bank instead ordinary commercial bank.
Just like UT is run by UT company and not bank itself.

This is better being discussed in gold topic. smile.gif

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