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 GENNEVA MALAYSIA, some facts.., READ and UNDERSTAND

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aronteh
post Sep 30 2012, 01:05 AM

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Anybody interested to sell they Genneva Gold bar? I am interested to buy them for my electro plating business.
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post Oct 2 2012, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(transform @ Oct 1 2012, 10:25 PM)
It is a good EXIT STRATEGY. RAID than close shop don't have to answer to the customers blame it on the authority. Start another similar company. How many times have this same tactic repeated ?
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Same old tactic. If you know the actual inside story and how they operate. icon_idea.gif I have went through a few of this raided. shakehead.gif Count myself lucky to have survive flex.gif
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post Oct 2 2012, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(ainuddin @ Oct 2 2012, 01:04 PM)
mind sharing more on that?  smile.gif
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Love to share, but not in public forum. Hints. I was ask to join the company as director when I was actively trading gold bullion in the market. After learning the whole operation decided to pull out. shocking.gif
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post Oct 3 2012, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(tessei @ Oct 2 2012, 03:03 PM)
notice this trend also, pls look back at history of raiding skim cepat kaya normally 'INVESTOR' do their checking to BNM SC SSM... normally they say ok nothing fault with rules & regulations etc etc...  that's why they commit their hard earn money in the first place..  ONCE the SKIM already gather 100Mill ++  then jeng jeng jeng... u know what's coming...

kalau betul2 mau blok tak nak bagi org awam tertipu, awal2 lagi dah boleh RAID/CLOSED this type of company/business...  - that's my opinion... thumbup.gif
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You notice also. tongue.gif There is a reason for this. Why want to raid when got only a few millions, cannot cover operation cost and a few other reason not for public consumption. brows.gif
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post Oct 3 2012, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 2 2012, 08:44 PM)
You should read the Singapore case more, out of 7 directors, 3 directors are exactly the same with Genneva Sdn Bhd, Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd & Samudra Gold Sdn Bhd & the supposedly 'neutral' Gold-Beam association.

The directors include Ng Poh Weng, Marcus Yee and Chin Wai Leong. All 3 are Malaysians, all facing charges in KL under the Banking & Financial Institutions Act BAFIA, and the Anti Money Laundering Act AMLATFA. The 3 person are alleged to have absconded with at least RM47 million from the bank accounts of Genneva Sdn Bhd, the subject of the Bank Negara investigation.

In the Singapore case, 500kg of gold worth SGD 32.5 mil recorded in the books as assets were missing, liabilities is SGD 73 mil (money owe to creditors & investors) and asset SGD 61 million (money & gold invested by investor).  A company that is unable to honor its obligations or becomes insolvent will have to be wound up under costly legal procedures. Upon liquidation, almost always, the creditors are left with NOTHING.

Under company laws, the shareholders and directors of a bankrupt co are not responsible or liable for the company debts or promises, so you cannot sue them successfully.

After 4 times history repeating, with the same owners, same opus moderandi, same (almost) name, I must congratulate you on your confidence. Hopefully BNM raided them before they can move the money/gold and hopefully those poor investors get back at least some of their 'investments'.  sweat.gif

These directors and owners definitely deserve their jail time, but most probably they have already hidden the movement of money through money laundering means. Unfortunately in most cases, they escape unscathed to try again on other 'naive' investors.
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Yup you got this one right. This are the few loop hole that been exploited. There is a grey area in corporate law. The most the director was liable to is just the paid up capital of the company.


Added on October 3, 2012, 12:40 am
QUOTE(learn2earn8 @ Oct 2 2012, 10:07 PM)
they had been impolite since day1 and not suddenly la  doh.gif
u can tell that to those who invested in genneva part1, samudra and konco2 kawannya to wait patiently  yawn.gif
guess they did not read the memo that "Genneva has designed and packaged their products so well that Bank Negara cannot prosecute them outright. Precisely. No laws broken, what to prosecute?". prepare to have giraffe neck while waiting la  brows.gif
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This is what the company lawyer told me when I was invited to be a director. hmm.gif shakehead.gif


Added on October 3, 2012, 12:45 am
QUOTE(celicaizpower @ Oct 2 2012, 10:30 PM)
You are referring to those online? Perhaps. But did you check those who commented about them? probably not. smile.gif


Added on October 2, 2012, 10:33 pm

Thanks, saw the message. Bravo to responsible company. BoOoO to the Police, Domestic Trade, Cooperatives and Consumerism Ministry, Companies Commission, BNM and those involved who "ROBBED" the company & the people's money in broad day light.
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This wayang wayang only, part of SOP.


Added on October 3, 2012, 1:22 amA bit on history on the Gold Trading in Malaysia. wink.gif
The so call secret formula in the Gold Trading was create by a person known as "Sifu" in the Gold Bullion industry many year ago back in year 2000.

The person was a restricted resident under our M'sia Emergency Ordinance but release in early 2012 after our EO law was abolish by our home minister, but he still manage to operate many Gold Investment company in Malaysia. He is the mastermind in all the gold companies not only in Malaysia and Singapore but in Asia Pacific including China.

All the companies are run by his so call disciple and he never have his name register in any companies at all. He also have no bank accounts and properties under his name in Malaysia. Basically he is so good that he is almost invisible. The authorities can't charge him or put his to jail because no evidence can be produce in court to charge him.

Our government is well aware of him as many police reports have been made over the pass 10 years involving tan of Gold. So no evidence to charge him like many underworld taiko, just put him away under EO.

I came to know this Sifu went I was actively trading gold bullion and he bring me in as a disciple and teach me his formula and how to be invisible. I was to be appointed as director in one of his company. To keep story short I quit after realizing something is not right. ohmy.gif

This post has been edited by aronteh: Oct 3 2012, 01:22 AM
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post Oct 3 2012, 01:39 AM

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QUOTE(celicaizpower @ Oct 3 2012, 01:30 AM)
If you don't mind sharing can you tell me who this person is? well, you can PM me anytime with the name.
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I have his IC No and photograph also. But how does it help you?
I not going to put such info in public forum. I don't want to become an endangered species sweat.gif You know want I mean.
Unless you have some powerful connection.

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post Oct 3 2012, 02:43 AM

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QUOTE(celicaizpower @ Oct 3 2012, 01:45 AM)
I dont need the IC and photo, I would just love to talk to this person to understand his strategy or perhaps if you still know the strategy and can share it with me? This is so that I or perhaps we can protect ourselves by being able to know or identify the pattern. smile.gif

The other thing is also to know how the strategy works. biggrin.gif

p/s: Personally, I love knowledge & I tend to spend a lot of time reading wikis or ebooks.
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Let me give you a hint. If you sell a product with 20% margin (slightly more due to own mint and branding) and with an annual operating expenditure 40++% including rebate, agent comm, staffs salary and etc.

You trading business will need to generate more than 200% return per annum just to break even from the 20% sales margin.

Of course 20% fix margin per sale assuming no top up upon contract expiry and other parameters to make it simple.

That will be an unimaginable performance and return. I think the world debt crisis can easily fix by our boleh land company.

The formula can only work in a perfect world where gold price are linear and sales grow are linear. Which will never happen in our real world.

When it become unsustainable there is when an exit plan is trigger.

I use to believe that formula works until we reach the pre final chapter of exit plan and reincarnation strategy. shocking.gif
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post Oct 3 2012, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(celicaizpower @ Oct 3 2012, 07:53 AM)
Hi bro, thanks for sharing, sincerely I appreciate the time you take to reply. I kinda get your point on the first and last part but I am a bit lost on this part, can you help to explain further?

Quote "aronteh" : annual operating expenditure 40++% including rebate, agent comm, staffs salary and etc. You trading business will need to generate more than 200% return per annum just to break even from the 20% sales margin.

Why I didn't get it;

1. I am a forex gold trader, based on history chart as we all know, gold price has been increasing like nobody's business for the past few years. so it is somewhat linear. true?

2. (Please stay with me for this one) Based of fact, If you buy Tons of gold it will be cheaper than buying grams. so lets say current Market price is for 1kg is RM177,420.00 (actual current market price at the time I wrote this) if you buy by the TONS I am certain you can get 10-20% cheaper than normal price. So let say the actual price bought is RM 150,807.00 which is 15% less. The company has save RM 26,613.00. But the company sells it at 20% extra which sums up to RM 212,904.00. So the company gives 2% return to investors and 0.5% commission to agents for a period of 3 months with adds up to a total of RM 4,790.34 per month times that by 3 would be RM 14,371.02. So if we take this amount which the company profited earlier due to purchase price discount RM 26,613.00 and deduct the commission and stuffs which is RM 14,371.02 shouldn't it be that the company already profited RM 12,241.98? further to that the company also profit from the Gold future price which normally has increased.
errr... I believe you quoted the wrong person. The one with the mystery person story was from aronteh. Not me. smile.gif
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No not exactly. If it is I will be very rich. You should undertand better if you trade spot gold.

You don't get discount from spot market. The only sure way to buy cheap gold is scrap gold.

I will not go into detail, but your assumption is flaw. This is what they normally explain to clients.

If that is true than you can start your gold company already, sure make money. If you have run the actual business you will know where the problem is. Good Luck.
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post Oct 3 2012, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 3 2012, 09:44 AM)

You have been fed too much propaganda until brainwashed to think that Genneva can buy gold at 10-20% below spot value. Even central banks have to buy at MARKET value. Since this is actively traded commodity (couple of billion USD a day) if someone can get bulk prices at 10-20% discount, they can cream the spot market and reap multiple rewards in just a few seconds with a few clicks.

Gold is no different than cash, it is equivalent and easily converted. Maybe you can ask the bank if you want to withdraw couple of million from your account you can get extra 10-20%?  rolleyes.gif

Think again if they can get reward in just a few seconds in the spot market, why would they take years and years to sell you bit by bit and paying hefty consultant fees?  whistling.gif If you believe all those crap excuses spew out, then you must be seriously deluded. Good luck.  laugh.gif
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Precisely.

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