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 GENNEVA MALAYSIA, some facts.., READ and UNDERSTAND

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post Aug 11 2012, 12:08 AM

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what part of the scheme is illegal?
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post Aug 11 2012, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(doraemonkiller @ Aug 11 2012, 12:13 AM)
Are you kidding me? Or trying to increase your post count? Don't you the comments and BNM announcement.
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like I give a fuk about post count. You can tell the mod to reset my post count back to 0 for all I care. Stop being emo and post what you understand because some of us are ACTUALLY UNAWARE of BNM announcement.

Unless of course, you're the one who's trying to increase your post count.

I never knew about Geneva until now and found this thread through google while doing some research. And I beg the rest of you people...pls post facts (or submittable evidence or at least suspicions)...I tend to ignore Malaysian style emo comments no matter how long that person's post is.
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post Aug 14 2012, 11:35 AM

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funny how even 'higher ups' can mess their own rules up...

QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 13 2012, 10:02 PM)
Ah.. so the 10 months was just some example lar, not the contract terms. Understand.
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apa la...how you didn't see this coming? tongue.gif

QUOTE(kasimura @ Aug 13 2012, 09:52 PM)
My 10 months is just an example la. What I meant is you are on the scheme every month for that period in the examples, regardless you have to sell and buy every 3 or 6 months.

You can say that you are getting back part of  the excess money you paid for the gold at retail price but who would share/give part of the profit to you? My example C at 18 months shows the amount of money in hand (from the monthly rebate)[cool.gif compared to FD interest for the same period. Does it really matter the money comes from the profit made by the gold company which you had paid? The principal amount is in the form of the gold bar, which you would get back at the same amount when you sell back to the gold company. In FD that same amount of principal you cash out by submitting  your CD certificate. If you still can't see the REAL gain in my examples, I can't help you because I think my examples are pretty clear.
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boss, have some questions:-
- how much roughly does it cost to get a piece of gold assayed?


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post Aug 14 2012, 11:59 AM

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ya, the buy-back is my next part of the research. Waiting for someone to reply edyek's post.

To be honest, I'm not bothering about the legal stuff coz they've been operating for many years and BNM can't do anything but post advertisements / online articles. This whole facade sounds fishy on BOTH ends.
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post Aug 14 2012, 01:08 PM

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no books? Can't be...its been operating for years. In this case it'll be breaching some laws already.
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post Aug 14 2012, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(doraemonkiller @ Aug 14 2012, 01:25 PM)
Genneva Malaysia is the third company. Previous company got sued. The court case is still there.
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makes sense. I heard that their accounts have been sent to BNM for auditing because BNM demanded it.

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 14 2012, 01:29 PM)
There is a conspiracy against Genneva by jealous ppl mad.gif  vmad.gif
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whoever can make noise, will make noise...that's about it

QUOTE(Tiger Cubs @ Aug 14 2012, 02:27 PM)
hi, i new in low yet forum, i like investment. i wan to see ur comment on this GENEVA gold investment...i burn my money in forex & other investment...is this Geneva Gold invest can trust??
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click page 1...then u will see our comments.

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post Aug 16 2012, 12:54 AM

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problem is BNM hasn't come up with a proper set of rules when it comes to gold trading/investment/etc. If you see the list of 77 companies, they're under a list of "not authorized nor approved under the relevant laws and regulations administered by BNM"

yet, in an article less than a week ago - "There is no need to obtain license or approval from BNM to operate a gold trading business in the country"

So...
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post Aug 16 2012, 02:25 AM

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what I'm trying to say is whether or not Genneva, ABC, XYZ is ponzi...BNM doesn't have any proper set of rules even though they said there is. This pretty much makes every gold investment/trading companies in the country...illegal yes?

All except Maybank, Public Bank, UOB, etc. Anyone see the pattern here?
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post Aug 16 2012, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 16 2012, 07:26 AM)
The banks are probably trading illegally as well.....

DO they have the phsysical gold backing their gold accounts?  i wonder?
Why do they discourage taking up delivery of the physical? i wonder?   hmm.gif
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yeah, now that you mentioned it...gov had an article about warning us about "paper gold"...doesn't banks fall into this category? laugh.gif


Added on August 16, 2012, 11:03 am
QUOTE(EddyLB @ Aug 16 2012, 08:17 AM)
These gold and forex companies are actually using the law to their advantage. Pure deposits taking and giving returns without licence contravenes Bafia. So to overcome and make (read : con) money, they package it to be more complicated and appear to be not deposit taking. Some of them use trading precious metal to camouflage the deposit taking, some using forex trading. Throw in high returns like 10%-30% returns and guaranteed buy back, many greedy investors fall for the scheme

Poh Kong, Tomei etc are pure trading gold. No thrills and frills of high returns or guaranteed buy back. BNM has no problem with them. So, I disagree "BNM doesn't have a proper set of rules". There are many genuine traders which are perfectly legal in Malaysia. BNM has already existing laws (although there are loopholes, obviously). Astute businessmen/conmen always find ways to challenge the law. Packaging the products that don't look like deposit taking and that should last them some years. Engage some lawyers and fight BNM in courts to buy time. They just need a few years to rake in billions. After that, they will register a new company and start all over again  shakehead.gif
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very true indeed. Genneva possibly fall under this category.
Genneva Sdn Bhd now under investigation...they open Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd.

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post Aug 29 2012, 11:50 AM

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this raid...kena before a couple of years back rite? Yet they are still operating. And recently there's a press release on a good conference meeting with Bank Negara people or sth...how did this raid thing suddenly appear? BNM lie to them for the raid to go through? Typical...
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post Aug 29 2012, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 29 2012, 12:59 PM)
er.. huh? like the police lied to the "would be" robbers during teh tarik meeting, then arrested them when they robbed? blink.gif
Sorry ar, i'm a bit thick but can't input logic. Perhaps i misread. sweat.gif
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yep, that's it...kind of.
Its like having BNM do a discreet meeting with the robbers without their knowledge then police come arrest them for a crime already committed. Haven't you ever seen undercover cop movies/series - 21 Jump Street, NCIS, Criminal Minds, etc...Desperate Housewives? All these shows available on Astro smile.gif
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post Aug 29 2012, 02:17 PM

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GSC ada 21 Jump Street laaa tongue.gif

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