Sep 18 2012, 09:37 AM
QUOTE(Arielnagrath @ Sep 18 2012, 09:03 AM)
ooh....poor EddyLb....i may have just hurt his 'feelings'...... 
Added on September 18, 2012, 9:18 am
Hi Anonymous Me,
firstly mate....thanx a lot for your explanation on Genneva Malaysia....i greatly appreciate it although my thoughts tend to differ on certain points but nevertheless, i must thank you for your gracious time and for your posts here...
i also think u have made a very good offer and yes, for those of you who alleged to have been cheated, maybe u guys could substantiate your allegations by posting some sort of cogent documentary proof such as police reports etc....i reckon posting your grouses in this forum wouldnt pose much help..
on another note Anonymous Me, i'd appreciate some explanation on how Genneva Malaysia uses the 'hibah' concept in their payouts of monthly returns to customers/purchasers.....although i understand that the recent Fatwa Ruling only makes it 'haram' for Muslims to trade with Genneva, it doesnt make it illegal in the true sense of the law....but if its haram, then it means that Genneva has already offended the Syariah principles and if we literally look at it, this would also mean that the application of the 'hibah' concept in Genneva Malaya's business is flawed...in terms of Syariah law, what kind of a contract is your sales & purchase of gold and monthly payouts termed as (under Islamic Law...eg:- mudharabah etc) may i ask?....
..."Muzakarah Jawatankuasa Fatwa Majlis Kebangsaan Bagi Hal Ehwal Ugama Islam Malaysia Kali Ke-100 yang bersidang pada 4-6 Julai 2012 telah membincangkan mengenai Hukum Jual Beli Dan Pelaburan Emas Yang Dijalankan Oleh Syarikat Genneva Malaysia Sdn. Bhd. Muzakarah telah membuat keputusan seperti berikut:
1. Setelah meneliti keterangan, hujah-hujah dan pandangan yang dikemukakan, Muzakarah menegaskan bahawa transaksi jual beli dan pelaburan emas mestilah memenuhi semua rukun jual beli yang digariskan oleh syarak. Sesuatu transaksi jualbeli adalah dikira tidak sah sekiranya tidak memenuhi salah satu rukun jual beli. Muzakarah turut menegaskan bahawa transaksi jual beli dan pelaburan emas juga hendaklah bebas daripada unsur-unsur riba, perjudian, gharar yang berlebihan dan kezaliman.
2. Berdasarkan laporan dan hasil siasatan Bank Negara Malaysia terhadap operasi jual beli dan pelaburan emas oleh Syarikat Genneva Malaysia Sdn. Bhd., Muzakarah bersetuju memutuskan bahawa transaksi jual beli dan pelaburan emas yang dilaksanakan oleh Syarikat Genneva Malaysia Sdn. Bhd. tidak mematuhi sepenuhnya Parameter Pelaburan Emas sepertimana yang telah diperakukan oleh Muzakarah Jawatankuasa Fatwa Majlis Kebangsaan Bagi Hal Ehwal Ugama Islam Malaysia Kali Ke-96 pada 13 hingga 15 Oktober 2011.
3. Oleh itu, umat Islam dinasihatkan supaya tidak melibatkan diri dalam aktiviti atau transaksi jual beli dan pelaburan emas yang dilaksanakan oleh mana-mana pihak sama ada syarikat atau individu di dalam atau luar negara yang bertentangan dengan prinsip-prinsip jual-beli emas seperti yang digariskan oleh syarak atau undang-undang negara...."
http://www.e-fatwa.gov.my/fatwa-kebangsaan/hukum-jual-beli-dan-pelaburan-emas-yang-dijalankan-oleh-syarikat-genneva-malaysia-s
would love to hear your thoughts on this Anonymous Me....thanx in advance!
The answer is simple - Genneva is NOT Syariah Compliant. Added on September 18, 2012, 9:18 am
Hi Anonymous Me,
firstly mate....thanx a lot for your explanation on Genneva Malaysia....i greatly appreciate it although my thoughts tend to differ on certain points but nevertheless, i must thank you for your gracious time and for your posts here...
i also think u have made a very good offer and yes, for those of you who alleged to have been cheated, maybe u guys could substantiate your allegations by posting some sort of cogent documentary proof such as police reports etc....i reckon posting your grouses in this forum wouldnt pose much help..
on another note Anonymous Me, i'd appreciate some explanation on how Genneva Malaysia uses the 'hibah' concept in their payouts of monthly returns to customers/purchasers.....although i understand that the recent Fatwa Ruling only makes it 'haram' for Muslims to trade with Genneva, it doesnt make it illegal in the true sense of the law....but if its haram, then it means that Genneva has already offended the Syariah principles and if we literally look at it, this would also mean that the application of the 'hibah' concept in Genneva Malaya's business is flawed...in terms of Syariah law, what kind of a contract is your sales & purchase of gold and monthly payouts termed as (under Islamic Law...eg:- mudharabah etc) may i ask?....
..."Muzakarah Jawatankuasa Fatwa Majlis Kebangsaan Bagi Hal Ehwal Ugama Islam Malaysia Kali Ke-100 yang bersidang pada 4-6 Julai 2012 telah membincangkan mengenai Hukum Jual Beli Dan Pelaburan Emas Yang Dijalankan Oleh Syarikat Genneva Malaysia Sdn. Bhd. Muzakarah telah membuat keputusan seperti berikut:
1. Setelah meneliti keterangan, hujah-hujah dan pandangan yang dikemukakan, Muzakarah menegaskan bahawa transaksi jual beli dan pelaburan emas mestilah memenuhi semua rukun jual beli yang digariskan oleh syarak. Sesuatu transaksi jualbeli adalah dikira tidak sah sekiranya tidak memenuhi salah satu rukun jual beli. Muzakarah turut menegaskan bahawa transaksi jual beli dan pelaburan emas juga hendaklah bebas daripada unsur-unsur riba, perjudian, gharar yang berlebihan dan kezaliman.
2. Berdasarkan laporan dan hasil siasatan Bank Negara Malaysia terhadap operasi jual beli dan pelaburan emas oleh Syarikat Genneva Malaysia Sdn. Bhd., Muzakarah bersetuju memutuskan bahawa transaksi jual beli dan pelaburan emas yang dilaksanakan oleh Syarikat Genneva Malaysia Sdn. Bhd. tidak mematuhi sepenuhnya Parameter Pelaburan Emas sepertimana yang telah diperakukan oleh Muzakarah Jawatankuasa Fatwa Majlis Kebangsaan Bagi Hal Ehwal Ugama Islam Malaysia Kali Ke-96 pada 13 hingga 15 Oktober 2011.
3. Oleh itu, umat Islam dinasihatkan supaya tidak melibatkan diri dalam aktiviti atau transaksi jual beli dan pelaburan emas yang dilaksanakan oleh mana-mana pihak sama ada syarikat atau individu di dalam atau luar negara yang bertentangan dengan prinsip-prinsip jual-beli emas seperti yang digariskan oleh syarak atau undang-undang negara...."
http://www.e-fatwa.gov.my/fatwa-kebangsaan/hukum-jual-beli-dan-pelaburan-emas-yang-dijalankan-oleh-syarikat-genneva-malaysia-s
would love to hear your thoughts on this Anonymous Me....thanx in advance!
Hibah is a term used to mean as "gift", not in the Syariah sense.
We had used the term "hibah" for a long time. But we have made announcement that Genneva is NOT Syariah Compliant.
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Later those with police report go to claim 1 kg gold later at Genneva office, they will say "you nuts ? who is this Anonymous me ?". Why don't you just say 10kg ? It sounds even better ! 
ICHIBAN, PLS KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
but what actually happen to those investor capital who were caught in the old company? What will happen to me if I get caught in another name change scenario? Samudra GV Sdn Bhd, Samudra GV Genneva Gold, Genneva Sdn Bhd & any others
just admit la, no need go in circle. anytime now, ariel will go berserk again and become ariel black 
by the way, your story telling has improved a lot 
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