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 GENNEVA MALAYSIA, some facts.., READ and UNDERSTAND

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terry8
post Oct 8 2012, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Oct 8 2012, 09:40 AM)
X ray is surface test. Have to cut open the gold. Gold smith may do listening test before cut open.
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All those who studied Science knows that X-Ray cannot penetrate metal - in fact in cannot even penetrate bone - that is why we can use X-Ray to check for fractures. How much more lies are they going to put out there to cheat all these poor aunties and uncles
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post Oct 8 2012, 04:14 PM

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Beware of fake Gold Bars that contain <Tungsten> instead of <Gold>.
Density of gold is 19.30 g/cm3; density of tungsten is 19.25 g/cm3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bygCbP5PEKI

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post Oct 8 2012, 06:00 PM

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celicaizpower - I am just curious. How much did you invest in this Genneva thingy ? And how much of your clients' money is in this Genneva investment ? I am not going to knock you on this but I am curious.

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post Oct 8 2012, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(cstan61 @ Oct 8 2012, 06:08 PM)
Transporting 500KG of gold bars using a harrier? sure boh? Not via armoured truck and armed guards ah?
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The suspension of the Harrier will give way lah. I saw the video. The boxes were carried out by single officers. Dont forget, some of the boxes are documents and not gold bars lah. Also, they took computers away.

Dont just listen from word of mouth. I doubt that they 500Kg of gold there. If they did, they need to hire a calvary of soldiers to protect that place just like Fort Knox.

Its only an office building. The gold are going round and round and round. Maybe they sold 500 Kg but using the same 5 Kg to go around (just an example - I wont know the exact number) to the customers in the sell and buy back scheme. That's why some people were facing extreme delay in getting their gold after paying.
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post Oct 8 2012, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(celicaizpower @ Oct 8 2012, 07:26 PM)
1. Honestly, you have to ask the company why the use harrier... I have no idea...

2. He was there inside the office during the raid, while trying to collect his gold.

Well, He is my very close friend. I trust him. For you on the other hand, it is your choice to trust I not. I am not forcing you bro biggrin.gif
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You claim you are not an investor or consultant and yet you seem to know or hear so much what they do.

Then you make claims you have a business in Russia

Then you claim you do not invest in Genneva because you have better investment

Then you claim you hear BNM carted away 500kg gold

People in this forum - please ignore this guy because we will not have logical or thought provoking forum with him making nonsensical statements. Just ignore him

This guy is putting up a smoke screen so no one can understand what is going on in Genneva. Please ignore him

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post Oct 8 2012, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(MakNok @ Oct 8 2012, 08:27 PM)
deviates from the topic???

It all hard fact and you still say deviates...

OMG!!! who is the  doh.gif ?
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Just ignore him - just a suggestion
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post Oct 8 2012, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(KamikazePg @ Oct 8 2012, 08:17 PM)
Just a point to ponder.....

Have you seen all the videos about all the non-Muslims CON-sultants boasting about the HIBAH?

Very soon, they will be supporting HUDUD too!

Go HIBAH, go HIBAH, go HUDUD, go HUDUD!

Just wonder whether they know what they are mumbling about or just parroting what their masters told them....
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All these is just $$$$$$ talk .... sad but true
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post Oct 8 2012, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(anudora @ Oct 8 2012, 10:23 PM)
Now that you say the payload, harrier sure cannot carry that kind of weight load. That guy sure lie.
I search on website and get the answer for Toyota Harrier Hybrid 3.3 which is 606lbs or equivalent to 275kg.
Source---> http://www.supahcars.com/faq2.php?id=2750&faq=123

Maybe the SUV model not same but the weight load difference will not be too big.....
Wonder if the boxes got indication of word GOLD outside but inside is paper!!!  whistling.gif
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That is why I say ignore that guy. He wastes your time to research all these things. He is just throwing lots of rumours out there so we cannot have a sensible discussion here on this topic.
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post Oct 8 2012, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(KenChai @ Oct 8 2012, 11:21 PM)
500kgs in a harrier? at today's value assuming 1kg = 180k

RM90,000,000.00 worth in a toyota with no plated armor no guards!

I work in an investment bank, to transport just 300kgs silver, you need insurance on an armored vehicle with 3 guards equipped with enough fire power!

the guy transporting the 500kgs must at least be a judge dredd equivalent... =p
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Can you imagine Genneva Malaysia has been storing 500kg of gold in their Kuchai Lama office with one or two guards. They would have been robbed a long long time ago even before the BNM raid. RM 90 million sitting in such an unsecure location. Even the professional burglars from overseas will come and rob them. Absolute nonsense. I wonder whether at anytime they have 1 kg of gold there.

They are there just collecting cheques from investors. Of course, they are also handing out payments from part of the money they collect from these investors back to themselves as Hibah.

They must be consuming kilos of cheque books per month.

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post Oct 9 2012, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(silent_stalker @ Oct 9 2012, 12:12 PM)
That's what I said when we where discussing this. My source said, that is the problem... the gold trading is not regulated. lets say I bought 5kg gold, 4 other people bought 100g of gold each. Geneva only report to BNM 5.4kg was sold 2day. they dont break down individually. Another thing, when they sell gold, they dont double check the signature on the form. Any represtative can buy n collect the gold on behalf without even meeting the customer. they can just forge the signature. So, we dont see the owner physically.
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Got cheques coming in and out with account number. Bank Negara already have all these data. The thing is they do not deal in cash so it is very easy to trace.
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post Oct 9 2012, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(merce @ Oct 9 2012, 06:04 PM)
this is the part where alot of peepoh failed to interpret, hence to them this is THE business... and not just ANY business but a NEW AGE BUSINESS.

sad huh?  doh.gif
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Yeah new age business - virtual biz - not Real
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post Oct 9 2012, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(Desvaro @ Oct 9 2012, 08:01 PM)
Never before in my life have I seen such a huge bunch of delusional people all gathered in one place.

Genneva new age business model, innovation, earn money through hedging (this is part I hate the most, because they don't even understand what hedging is)

Blame BNM, blame govt, say BN this BN that, whole government and its agencies make them suffer, now suddenly UMNO offers to help and they say OH YEAH UMNO IS GREAT, SCREW MCA.
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I totally agree with you. How money blinds the eyes and numb the brains. They just don't know that the money come from themselves and other investors
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post Oct 9 2012, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(serenity22 @ Oct 9 2012, 09:20 PM)
Hey guys, no need to be so righteous and scold me!!! If you are intelligent and din get involved...then kudos to you!! But have a heart for those who dont have money nor gold in hand!! I know many ppl who are affected personally so i hope BNM will rtn to the customers what is theirs.

I accept everyone's opinions but the customers deserve answers whether good or bad!! Can we all agree on that??

BNM shud come up with their report once and for all and then no more speculation. They froze  the previous company as well as many other companies on suspicions of whatever and no news after that?? So what happen to all the gold and $$$?? Who gains the interest on this after so many years??  Can anyone answer that??
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If you are one of the investors i suggest you go after the CONsultants who sold you this scheme. If you are one of the CONsultants, i suggest you check your income tax returns to see if you have declared all your commissions. Income Tax dept might be after you soon.
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post Oct 9 2012, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(silent_stalker @ Oct 9 2012, 11:15 PM)
wahhh... this thread is like atheist vs theist. To all Genneva believers, I hope u realize genneva is not a religion. The gold is not 1 of the 10 commandments, The Genneva hq is not holy ground, the consultants are not angels, the directors are not god and finally BNM is not satan coming from the fiery pit of hell.
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QUOTE(nightline @ Oct 9 2012, 11:14 PM)
Not sure if GM has submitted any P&L accounts or any financial statements cos from the statements, it will be very clear whether they are surplus or deficit but going by the way it was run, I would assume it will be negative... no profit business model but still can give high returns...
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I believe they have not submitted for 2 years their accounts

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post Oct 9 2012, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(KamikazePg @ Oct 9 2012, 11:00 PM)
YES, grow up!
Stop blaming BNM!
Start looking at pursuing legal action against Genneva and your CON-sultants.

If BNM didn't step in at 60k customers, it would have been 200k customers by next year.
Then all hell will break loose if 200k people affected!
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post Oct 10 2012, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(xfrenzy @ Oct 9 2012, 11:43 PM)
The gold they have at hand, do they have serial numbers ?
What if upon investigation, they found multiple customers laying claim to the same gold bar (assuming there is serial number)?
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Maybe there were not much gold left in that office. I believe there are more people claiming for gold than they have seized. Its only an office building with a few security guards - how much gold do you think they can store there without being robbed? Unbelievable
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post Oct 10 2012, 08:12 PM

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I am greatly saddened and angry at what they are doing to the real victims of the Genneva scam.
1) Firstly they cheated these people out of their hard earned money
2) Then they use them on their Supporters website to make false accusations against bank negara
3) However the senior CONsultants are very quiet on this Supporters page - even though some of them used to be very active on the internet promoting Genneva even on this forum - they stir up their victims to make malicious accusations while protecting themselves by being "silent"
4) Then today an UMNO politician used these victims to generate publicity by asking them to his office to fill up complaint forms. 1000+ people turned up including a family who came down in a 20 year old van from Sitiawan
It's time to STOP hurting these victims people - GOD is watching. Truly help them by offering them jobs and ways to recover from their losses
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post Oct 10 2012, 08:31 PM

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Calling Genneva investors. It's time that you guys gather together and lodge separate legal suits against the company, the directors/management and the CONsultants. Go after their personal wealth so you may recover something.
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post Oct 10 2012, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Oct 10 2012, 08:57 PM)
You think they are that smart?  whistling.gif
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I am hoping. Hopefully some good hearted lawyer will help them free of charge
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 10 2012, 09:35 PM)
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Whose face ?

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