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 GENNEVA MALAYSIA, some facts.., READ and UNDERSTAND

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post Oct 2 2012, 12:13 AM

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The fudamental question again....do you know what you are getting into in the first place? Are there any examples before this?

Many in this topic will want to say "I told you so".
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post Oct 2 2012, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(AUGUST777 @ Oct 2 2012, 10:43 AM)
ha ha ha ha....ha.......ha.  what a show. here comes your conspiracy amongst your bloggers. welldone. rclxms.gif
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And you and your conspiracy theory on regulators as well as ppl wanting Genneva to fail... isn't it the same?

The guys had been debating on the solidness of the business model since the beginning and it is not sustainable. There are obviously those that agreed to that and those that disagree. So those that disagree is now seeing the red because of this present incidence and this is not the first time business like this failed.

I believe the authorities are "investigating" them on the pretext of AMLA and "Deposit Taking". Hence if Genneva is able to justify the source of funds to sustain the business model, I believe they will be fine. Else bye bye.
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post Oct 2 2012, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(brownykoko @ Oct 2 2012, 02:11 PM)
In all this pyramid schemes, the authorities seem to take years before they raid or close down these businesses. If these are shut down at the beginning, a lot of peoples hard earn money will be saved!  mad.gif  vmad.gif
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QUOTE(tessei @ Oct 2 2012, 03:03 PM)
notice this trend also, pls look back at history of raiding skim cepat kaya normally 'INVESTOR' do their checking to BNM SC SSM... normally they say ok nothing fault with rules & regulations etc etc...  that's why they commit their hard earn money in the first place..  ONCE the SKIM already gather 100Mill ++  then jeng jeng jeng... u know what's coming...

kalau betul2 mau blok tak nak bagi org awam tertipu, awal2 lagi dah boleh RAID/CLOSED this type of company/business...  - that's my opinion... thumbup.gif
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Authorities are as such. When there is no pressure, no one is taking any actions since this involve a lot of parties including those innocent parties.
Complaints or pressure can come from everywhere, it could be the clients themselves, the members of the associations, or even similar authorities from other countries.

I suppose it is because of the recent events in Genneva Singapore that triggers this raid.

Swiss Cash had been around for years before internationally the authorities took joint actions. But is the scheme similar to Swiss Cash dead?...... The answer is no. The scheme is still not dead. There are still many similar "investment" adopting Swiss Cash's method. Why?....because they are still ppl whom are ignorant.
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post Oct 5 2012, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(shootkk @ Oct 5 2012, 11:29 AM)
We humans are emotional people but we like to think of ourselves as logical people. There are people out there who knows this very well and exploit this fact. They know how to push our buttons and make us act based on emotions rather than logic.

If you follow logic, you will never invest because the plan does not make sense. Here's how it works:

1. They sell you gold at a 25% premium. This means you are buying the gold at 125% price.
2. They give you 2% 'hibah' per month as incentive for you to continue with the contract. This means if you stay for 1 year you get 24% from your investment.
3. If you calculate properly at the end of year 1 you are still behind on your investment by 1% (125% paid in advance minus off 24% 'hibah' returns after 12 months = 1% outstanding on your investment).

Thus to make any money at all you need to wait at least 1 year plus 1 month when they pay the 2% again on the 13th month.

Of course they blind you to this fact by saying that you get to keep the physical gold. This seems like a good opportunity but the gold you are holding is at best only at 100% of your initial investment value. Thus your exposure is really the 25% premium that you paid up front.

Logically you are investing the 25% premium and to see any profit on that 25% you need to wait at least 13 months and even then the return is a paltry 1%.

Does this seem like a good deal anymore?
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Not to mention when gold price falls. Everyone is on the assumption Gold price will never fall.


Btw besides Mardoff's scam; I have constantly gave example of Swiss Cash. But the "pro" investors will never want to listen it out. That is the issue. What happened to Swiss Cash?.... All hard earn money "invested" also gone.

The thing with investment is nobody wants to know how it works i.e. understand the risk. Everyone wants a "sure win" situation where in life, and investment 101; there is no such thing! But human nature is gullible. Who would advise one to dump all the life savings into investment and hope it will grow? Who is guilty of that? The so called "half-assed" agents whom do not understand investment 101?!

Even in this forum we always advise ppl before even starting to think of investment, pls do savings first. One need to sustain at least 6 months to 1 year of normal life when all fails. But too many ppl nowadays are ignorant to this investment 101 rule of thumbs.

FPAM had been continuously broadcasting their advertisement on "investment" i.e. cautioning consumer on "investing" in something where they don't understand yet promising high returns. But seems that it doesn't reach wide enough audience. Btw, it is through radio broadcast.
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post Oct 5 2012, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(celicaizpower @ Oct 5 2012, 11:56 AM)
Erm, if la... Genneva is legit then I think they will need to look into this or maybe people will make noise to get this rule amended.

There is a big difference between suspision and reports/complaints. Further more the freezing of a company will have adverse effects on the company portfolio, trust and other, not forgetting the potential business and stuffs.

I still think they should at least get a court order or warrant. Because in order for them to do that, they will need to show the court sufficient and relevant evidence.

Yeah I agree with your point no 3. need hu-ha first then they will change. Sad the current government not so smart.  tongue.gif
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You can go to any country and any actions from the regulators and authorities are the same for suspicious under AMLA, i.e. they can freeze assets if one is under suspicious. So this is not a "Malaysian Government" thing.
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post Oct 5 2012, 12:11 PM

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I think if they can justify their accounting and source of funds then it should be fine.

The question now is, are they able to.
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post Oct 5 2012, 01:57 PM

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I cautioned before on the "illegal deposit taking" many pages back.
When you promise a return on investment, it is considered "deposit taking". The key word is a "promised return". That is why they never share their "presentation material" in the open. If they did, they will be reprimand even earlier.
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post Oct 8 2012, 12:25 AM

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Bank Negara Malaysia | Central Bank of Malaysia (Official) Many of you do not know the definition of 'Illegal Deposit Taking'... Kindly take note that Illegal deposit taking is an act of receiving, taking or accepting of deposits (moneys, precious metal, precious stone, any other article etc.) from members of the public that promises a repayment with interest or returns in money or money's worth without a valid licence under the Banking and Financial Institutions Act 1989 (BAFIA).


Added on October 8, 2012, 12:28 am
QUOTE(doraemonkiller @ Oct 7 2012, 11:59 PM)
I found a great joke here. There is also a definition of 'illegal deposit taking'.
http://www.facebook.com/bnm.official/posts/10151198952449872
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I lol at the dude whom brought AA into the picture. Clearly he doesn't understand simple English.

This post has been edited by b00n: Oct 8 2012, 12:28 AM
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post Oct 8 2012, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(trencher10 @ Oct 8 2012, 01:50 PM)
Izzit possible that with the volume of "investors" in Genneva Ponzi Limited, a small quantity of fake gold, spread around, is actually used to have the 'profit' needed?
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Don't think the golds are fake. However, the worry now is the gold is "recycled" i.e. 1 gold bar could have multiple owner.
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post Oct 8 2012, 02:33 PM

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It is still pending investigation.
According to the paper, why Genneva Malaysia is under investigation is also because one Singaporean lady investing in Genneva Singapore was being informed the gold bar is with Genneva Malaysia in Malaysia instead of Singapore. Yet she didn't manage to get back that the gold bar hence she lodge a police report in Malaysia.
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post Oct 8 2012, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(celicaizpower @ Oct 8 2012, 02:48 PM)
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Wow, a police report made based on assumption, I wonder where she got her source from. I think it is more proper for the lady to sue or make a police report for Genneva SG rather than Genneva MY.
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I believe she did, that's why the synchronized raid by both government's authorities.
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post Oct 8 2012, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(trencher10 @ Oct 8 2012, 03:51 PM)
I thought these people get allocated physical gold, in their personal possession.

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If they have, then the complaints wouldn't be coming in from the "victims" now.
They are some with the physical gold bars and a lot which do not have. i.e. they let Genneva "safe guard" their gold bars. As a normal person, where do you think you will likely keep the gold bars? At home? Don't think so. Hence the theory and investigation on Genneva "recycling" the gold bars to "sell". It all stemmed up from Singapore where Genneva did not honour their "promises" in paying out the "hibah" and giving out the physical gold.

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post Oct 8 2012, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(celicaizpower @ Oct 8 2012, 05:31 PM)
Based on 1 report the RMP and CAD can co-operate? wow.... very effective liao tongue.gif
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Well, they are raiding based on suspicion inwhich still meaning that they have no solid evidence.
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We are not the the authorities to answer that question.
That is what is interpreted based on the news report. The probability of 2 countries synchronizing their raid is obviously more than a mere "report".

When will you see such synchronize raid? Other than this the last major one is on Swiss Cash where internationally the authorities all over the world clamped down on it which I known of.


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post Oct 8 2012, 09:09 PM

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@celicaizpower
Search for Swiss Cash and understand the "blacklist" issue.
I.e. Swiss Cash was never registered in multiple countries yet is prosecuted internationally.
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post Oct 9 2012, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(silent_stalker @ Oct 9 2012, 11:11 AM)
got a new interesting info 2day, thought i'd share it with u guys. About BNM raiding genneva, and 3 other gold traders bcoz of suspected ponzi scheme is only their 2nd reason. The main reason is illegal depositing n transferring illegal funds .
This is what i am told, as genneva is a sdn bhd, it is only required to present their companies account, and where they acquired their profit in 'general' only. What BNM and the police are interested in is who are the gold buyers.
let's say im a drug kingpin, have 5 million in cash from selling drugs. Where should I keep my money? in the bank? of coz it will raise the alarm at BNM. So, I buy gold from genneva. When I buy 5 million gold from there, genneva does not inform BNM that I have 5 million worth of gold with me. I get the hibah for 3 month and then I wont sell back the gold. So, I just keep my gold somewhere safe and no authorities will know I have them.
2nd scenario- I am an overseas vip who have 'certain' interest in the politics in Malaysia, and want to give funds to a certain VVIP here. I just send some1, buy 1 million worth of gold at genneva, and give it to the VVIP. And the M.O is the same as above. Keep the gold somewhere safe, and no authorities have a clue. ( some just keep it at genneva )
So, the reason for the raid, take of the files and confiscate the gold, is to know what's the names of these high 'investors', and taking their assets from them.
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If not wrong, trading of high volume precious metal also needs to report to BNM under AMLA. i.e. for above some threshold set, AMLA reporting is required. Maybe someone in the industry can shed some light.
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post Oct 9 2012, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(serenity22 @ Oct 9 2012, 09:20 PM)
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BNM shud come up with their report once and for all and then no more speculation. They froze  the previous company as well as many other companies on suspicions of whatever and no news after that?? So what happen to all the gold and $$$?? Who gains the interest on this after so many years??  Can anyone answer that??
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as long as the court case is on, they cannot reveal anything.
Those cases are still going on but is it BNM delaying? Or company directors not attending court? Or the flaw in our court system?
Look at most major court cases, dragged for years. But honestly don't know who's fault it is.

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