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 GENNEVA MALAYSIA, some facts.., READ and UNDERSTAND

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laurenx
post Oct 6 2012, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(Kinitos @ Oct 6 2012, 11:38 AM)
BNM legal teams must be prepared

Trading = sell products MUST profit
sell products NO profit = not trading  (logic or not?)

Deposit taking = received cash/money
Received/taking GOLD = not deposit taking  (under which act/section is illegal)

The moment BNM can prove that the Gold bars has more than 1 owner claims to same gold (recycling/sharing the same bars) genneva is gonecase
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TRADING without generate PROFIT, who wanna do rite?

anyway, it must be something hidden.....





QUOTE(ciahcra @ Oct 6 2012, 02:54 PM)
i read most of the comments at Genneva FB......really pity them. denial? fear? delusional?

they claim it's just a trading company, but they also claim themselves as an investor. They don't even know what are they, either just a buyer or investor.....

They claim BNM should release all the gold and the money to the 'investors'. Well, are the gold there in the first place? Is it enough for everyone who paid for it but have not received theirs?

most of them blame BNM, and blame BN and want to kick them out. oh well, good for PR.......  laugh.gif
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yup....as seen from TV NEws, some claimed as INVESTOR and some 100% deny it....called themselves BUYER...
dont know which 1 is true?
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post Oct 6 2012, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(anudora @ Oct 6 2012, 03:21 PM)
The one that are gonna lose everything is the one that borrow money from the bank to invest in scam.
You can read the article in the link below. Pretty scary......
http://theangryinvestor.blogspot.com/2012/...mention-on.html
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Let's pray for them that they will be able to recover from this ... seriously. It's tremendously stressful for them. Imagine if you and I lose our jobs today without notice and without compensation. It's very difficult and frightening.
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post Oct 6 2012, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(terry8 @ Oct 6 2012, 03:33 PM)
Let's pray for them that they will be able to recover from this ... seriously. It's tremendously stressful for them. Imagine if you and I lose our jobs today without notice and without compensation. It's very difficult and frightening.
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Greedy and dumb - now suffer
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post Oct 6 2012, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(anudora @ Oct 6 2012, 03:21 PM)
The one that are gonna lose everything is the one that borrow money from the bank to invest in scam.
You can read the article in the link below. Pretty scary......
http://theangryinvestor.blogspot.com/2012/...mention-on.html
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Indeed it is scary.

Life's philosophy: Do Not Be Greedy! Do Not Show Off! = Safe biggrin.gif
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post Oct 6 2012, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(KonKam @ Oct 6 2012, 09:25 AM)
Give the investor back the money????
Crazy ar...lator will complain how come so little one payback.

Only payback to those who lodged the report against Genneva.
That would be fair.

The rest who stil support Genneva. Please hunt down the Genneva Directorss.
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have to la.. i mean.. some of this uncle and aunties seriously dont know any better
are we suppose to blame them for their lack of knowledge?
i wont be surprise if some of these ppl even invested their whole life savings in there
what are they suppose to do then? kill themselves?

at the end of the day.. there probably isnt enough money to distribute back to everyone
best government could do is perhaps dissolve all their assets and distribute it by % to those who have invested..
the directors should have their assets distributed as well.. those bastards...zzzzzz

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post Oct 6 2012, 04:41 PM

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like the Swisscash case, the remaining money will be refunded to investors after the investigation is finished, hope,those who were affected,will get their money back



This post has been edited by nikita zuleica: Oct 6 2012, 04:41 PM
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post Oct 6 2012, 04:49 PM

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Well, at this situation right now, has anyone tried to examine the gold at the goldsmith?

I believe it is quite hard for the company to survive on this situation has the company had violated the Bank and Financial Institution Act (BAFIA) Act...


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post Oct 6 2012, 04:52 PM

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OMG.
Serious denial.

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post Oct 6 2012, 05:07 PM

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Genneva response is totally insane.

If you have no faith in BNM, please withdraw all your savings, sell all your MYR now.
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post Oct 6 2012, 05:09 PM

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if BNM releases all the confiscated assets back to investors.
wondering willl those " investors " ask BNM to compensate their "deserved hibah" during the period of freezing wink.gif
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post Oct 6 2012, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Oct 6 2012, 04:52 PM)
OMG.
Serious denial.

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Why saying BNM setup a trap ? Why not the other way round ? Geneva no money to roll to downline, i heard the Gold is not 100% gold (heard from contact sum banks been cheated by Geneva), before BNM raid - suddenly got large offe to investor - Invest RM100,000 will get Free IpAd.

Got all the profit, best way to run away / closed shop = Use BNM raid as and an excuse to freeze payout. Tiuuuuu
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post Oct 6 2012, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(Garmin_GPS @ Oct 6 2012, 05:09 PM)
if BNM releases all the confiscated assets back to investors.
wondering willl those " investors " ask BNM to compensate their "deserved hibah" during the period of freezing wink.gif
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i strongly believe they will nod.gif ...... either way what BNM doing they condemn kaw kaw ..... cause BNM acting on behalf the complainant but the enjoying ppl not represented ........ so which way BNM do got one side will hate them too....... this is call politics RIGHT? doh.gif the world is to be blame, why ur not round completely? why must have YIN and YANG? sweat.gif


Added on October 6, 2012, 5:22 pm
QUOTE(berjaya-mazda @ Oct 6 2012, 05:18 PM)
Why saying BNM setup a trap ? Why not the other way round ? Geneva no money to roll to downline, i heard the Gold is not 100% gold (heard from contact sum banks been cheated by Geneva), before BNM raid - suddenly got large offe to investor - Invest RM100,000 will get Free IpAd.

Got all the profit, best way to run away / closed shop = Use BNM raid as and an excuse to freeze payout. Tiuuuuu
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ipad = RM 100,000 now vmad.gif

This post has been edited by cwhong: Oct 6 2012, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE(berjaya-mazda @ Oct 6 2012, 05:18 PM)
Why saying BNM setup a trap ? Why not the other way round ? Geneva no money to roll to downline, i heard the Gold is not 100% gold (heard from contact sum banks been cheated by Geneva), before BNM raid - suddenly got large offe to investor - Invest RM100,000 will get Free IpAd.

Got all the profit, best way to run away / closed shop = Use BNM raid as and an excuse to freeze payout. Tiuuuuu
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THE NOTICE VS BNM IS GENNEVA's PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE TACTIC.
DO ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING TO MAKE EVERY INVESTOR BELIEVE THAT BNM IS THE CULPRIT.
THEN EVERY INVESTOR WILL FORGET THAT IN FACT THE GENNEVA MASTERMINDS ARE THE REAL CULPRITS.
WHEN BNM REPORTS ON THE FORENSIC AUDIT OF GV GOLD STOCKS, CASH IN BANK, MONEY RECEIVED AND MONEY PENDING TO BE REPAID, SURELY THERE WILL BE FOUND A VERY BIG BLACK HOLE, THE MONEY AND THE GOLD WILL BE FAR FAR SHORT THAN WHAT IS SHOWN IN THE BOOKS. THIS ALREADY HAPPENED IN GV1 WHEN RAIDED IN 2009 wWITH THE CASH FOUND TO BE SHORT BY RM47,000,000.

THE SITUATION LOOKS VERY VERY BAD FOR THE GV INVESTORS. SHOULD HAVE HEEDED ALL THE WARNINGS ABOUT THE PONZI NATURE OF THIS SCHEME.
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post Oct 6 2012, 06:11 PM

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I can't believe the denial of the Genneva supporters...even my cousin bro also brainwashed by them...

But when I ask him "do u know what is meant by 'illegal deposit-taking'?", he dunno, until I used a simple analogy to explain to him...

If Genneva is a credible business, with nothing to hide, why can't they have proper compliance with laws? Don't tell me with so much assets under management, so many customers, so many big shots behind them, they can't employ a properly qualified compliance manager/department... shakehead.gif

Pay Money > Pass Gold > End of Story - ok
Pay Money > Pass Gold > Pay Hibah > Buy-Back Promise - not ok

Simple as that!

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Oct 6 2012, 06:12 PM
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post Oct 6 2012, 06:12 PM

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If the Company has filed a false declaration under Part II of the Eight Schedule for exempt private company (Genneva) that is solvent by certifying in a Certificate which had been signed by its director, a company secretary and auditor stating that:
(a) the company is an exempt private company;
(b) an audited accounts in compliance with the provisions of the CA 1965 has been tabled in the company’s AGM; and
© the company is able to meet it liabilities as and when they fall due as at the date of the audited profit and loss account.

Then the consequence under Section 364 (2) of the Companies Act 1965 is::

Every person who in any return, report, certificate, balance sheet or other document required by or for the purposes of this Act makes or authorizes the making of a statement false or misleading in any material particular knowing it to be false or misleading or intentionally omits or authorizes the omission or accession of any matter or thing thereby making the document misleading in a material respect shall be guilty of an offence against this Act.

Penalty: Imprisonment for ten years or two hundred and fifty thousand ringgit or both.



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post Oct 6 2012, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Oct 6 2012, 04:52 PM)
OMG.
Serious denial.

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Lol if they are genuine company, should give full cooperation with BNM. Now they are declaring a war with BNM. BNM wont budge.
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post Oct 6 2012, 06:31 PM

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Genneva SG and Genneva MY was RAIDED on the same day. Pure Coincidence ?
Guess what they will find in their office ?
Some loose change and tips and a NOTE saying " Thank You for the Service "
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QUOTE(terry8 @ Oct 6 2012, 03:33 PM)
Let's pray for them that they will be able to recover from this ... seriously. It's tremendously stressful for them. Imagine if you and I lose our jobs today without notice and without compensation. It's very difficult and frightening.
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While I do sympathize to a certain extent, I do feel they should have thought over things carefully when they invested.

GOLDEN RULE: Don't put all of your eggs in 1 basket.

Just because there are great returns is no reason for you to go all in, or worse - take out a loan as well. You only have yourself to blame if the investment collapses and you lose everything. Why didn't you diversify?

Also, if anyone approached me telling me that there is an investment that can provide 2% return per month, I would be asking them to lay off the weed or something.
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post Oct 6 2012, 07:21 PM

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Genneva wants to challenge BNM?
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post Oct 6 2012, 08:10 PM

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If Genevva use all the money to hire the best teams of lawyers they can easily outguns the Govt local U lawyers

If BNM lawyars ask how can 1 cover close 10 lobang?
Genevva lawyers can reply it can be done but cannot reveals bcos is business secret
formula that why business keeps expanding and customers very happy and satisfied with investments

Got money giv lawyers can cleans all crimes - conmans with strong politicians connections can live like kings


Launching Genevva III in 2013 early birds get special discounts


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