QUOTE(designer69 @ Mar 11 2012, 11:32 PM)
My partner was considering to buy the Toyota Avanza facelift. Kinda disappointed after test driving.
The handling is definitely better than the old version becasue of the EPS, not as bumpy as the old one. The thing is the interior is very cheap-lak... Dashboard using cheap material, seat is very thin and not comfy.
We went to Nissan to test drive Livina after that. Nissan give better discount.
We are looking at 1.6L A/T. Grand Livina definitely has better handling than livina.
What we concern is the air cond. Only bottom blower for second low and no blower for 3rd row. Is the front aircond (the one heading up) enough for 3rd row? Our Malaysia weather wor... We need to use 3rd row everyday for kid. The space to go up to the 3rd row is very small as well... with the kid's big bag...it will be difficult.. (this is why we are still considering Avanza..).
How is the Fuel Consumption for Grand Livina 1.6 for Taman Driving?
Btw..Why does Grand Livina facelift not having any changes for exterior.... Is the design same as the 2007 version?
The Chinese have crash tested the Avanza. It scored an amazing 3 stars, same rating as the Persona and many cheap and lousy Chinese cars.
And the C-NCAP is rather harmless, testing at low speeds, it is easier to achieve a good rating there, so probably in EuroNCAP it should get 1 or 2 stars. Which is really extremely rubbish. Only buy the Avanza if you want to die, the Exora should be a much safer car (supposed to get 4 stars in EuroNCAP, if they were to test it).
The handling shouldn't be improved due to the EPS, normally hydraulic ones are better in terms of feel. BMW and Porsche owners are complaining about the switch to EPS, as far as I recall. Perhaps Toyota has fiddled with the suspension.
Chery Eastar I don't trust. They don't even manage to attach the brand name and model name properly... how good will the rest be?
@calvin_ng: As I mentioned the Avanza did undergo crashtests, but it performed very poor. You have to search for the Daihatsu Xenia or so, as that is the name it is sold under in China.
The Kangoo is a way better car than the Avanza, and the Kangoo II should be beating all of these ASEAN people movers. Space, safety, handling, ...
People think it's a T, it must be safe.
Of course the Touran and Sharan are safe. Try to topple over a Touran with spirited driving... I wouldn't be surprised if a Vios flips before the Touran. Sharan maybe a bit easier, but probably not. Both of these cars also have ESP, so that it will be even harder to flip them.
Where is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz22NuXAFXY
Humvee you'll probably die though. Nothing to protect you from hitting the steering wheel hard. Very, very hard. Of course perhaps you just drive through the other vehicle, lol.
Obviously you will always find a crash that will kill you, in any car. But under the same conditions a Sharan will let you get out of the crash relatively ok where in an Avanza they will carry you away in a bag. All you can do is to care about safety and get the one that protect you as much as your budget allows. Don't let things like resale value get in the way.
Also do you think the resale value of the Avanza will stay as high as it is when less and less people buy them and it gets less and less popular? People realize it is a dangerous milo tin and that there are better options around. And then...? Things and opinions can change. Soon there should be ASEAN NCAP, EuroNCAP changed things a lot in Europe, so who knows what ASEAN NCAP will do to the ASEAN countries. What if the Avanza gets tested and it gets public how awful it is compared to the Exora?
wow, thanks for the crash test vids neo1point3. Remember that C-NCAP tests at low speeds, compared to EuroNCAP. Any chance you can also find the video for the Xenia/Avanza?
The Kangoo cost around 70k when it was still on sale. With 4 stars EuroNCAP rating (though back then they weren't as strict as they are now, but still much stricter than C-NCAP), you can easily seat 7 adults as long as they aren't too tall (long legs are an issue, the rest isn't), it is practical, corners decently yet isn't too uncomfortable. NHV is also reasonable. FC (high) and performance (poor) isn't, but maintenance isn't a big issue, especially considering it is a conti. I still think apart from the Exora all the new MPVs shouldn't be able to compete. People didn't buy it though...
70k is overpriced as at that sort of money you can get an Exora. You must be mad to take the Avanza.