I plan to buy either one because in price terms they are similar.

as far as i can say toyota has reliability even if it has 7 years and they don't depreciate as much. I don't intend to mod the car, perhaps keeping it to factory condition. If i were to own altis i'd consider having it for a longer period of time. well of course i know the risk of having a second hand car, but those can be settled by cautious observation as well as sending to mechanic to check.

for persona, i do know that proton has improved quite a lot comparing to previous designs but i highly doubt it would last long. even though the quality is somewhat okay for me. But then again it is a new car we're talking about so the indecisiveness kicks in

any idea when?

what kind of modifications do you suggest?

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Added on March 10, 2012, 11:01 pmso that means even if i plan to mod the car i'd have to touch up a lot right?

This post has been edited by jonas.hoh: Mar 10 2012, 11:01 PM

well there is something called preventive maintenance. as long as you follow that you shouldn't be facing any car problems.

and for NEW proton eh, how often do you see a broken down NEW proton, and also how often do you see a broken down toyota? my only reason for proton is actually that it is a virgin car(new)

This post has been edited by jonas.hoh: Mar 10 2012, 11:23 PM

has anyone own an altis before? i want to know it terms of build quality, ride comfort as well as NVH. i am not really worried about maintenance as i am a mechanical engineer myself. so i do know about those things to a certain extent. just more concerned about the worth(as in the feeling of a good car) at the end of the day.

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Added on March 10, 2012, 11:56 pmwhat do you suggest?

This post has been edited by jonas.hoh: Mar 10 2012, 11:56 PM

agreed

and those cars would be?

That means you do not have any idea about the market values, then don't go around suggesting that there are other 2nd hand cars that have better or so.

I know the reliability issue of proton as i own one. and 3 years after the purchase problems came in because they used cheapskate parts. speaking from experience, as i do own a proton, i had to literally change the entire innards of the car. and why would you buy a car that breaks down frequently? it's like you know that it is gonna be problematic but still go on with the plan. seriously there are many people out there who drives a toyota. yes the parts for toyota might cost more but also speaking from experience, the part last much longer.

Having that said if i were to get a worthy 2nd hand car with generous boot space and performance what do you suggest. for a 50k budget. i don't mind going cheaper btw

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Added on March 11, 2012, 9:10 amAgreed.

This post has been edited by jonas.hoh: Mar 11 2012, 09:10 AM

i've done some research, and the next best thing i can get for is maybe 2006-2007 vios, 2007 honda city, 2008 nissan sentra.. damn i am spoilt with more choice.

i do agree that a car is only a machine that's why i want to know what is the best worth for me. anyway thank you everyone for the opinions. haha you guys are just awesome

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Added on March 11, 2012, 2:31 pmwell i(my dad) already have a j vios. and it's giving me headache. with all the dust problem. but i think it's quite good aside from the dust problem.


This post has been edited by jonas.hoh: Mar 11 2012, 02:31 PM

btw shiyau how much do you need to mod the whole car?

given a choice for you to buy new persona and those choices of 2nd hand car what would you choose? i reckoned i can get a vios or city should be good enough actually. then i can mod kau kau

First of all i am not on a tight budget. secondly i truly believe that your idea of an old car, regardless of whether it is T H or P, there will still be wear and tear. in fact that is being taken into account. The reason i set it to 50k is so that i can allocated for more possibilities. I certainly do not believe in spending a HUGE amount on cars as well, there are better things to invest in. and seriously don't really fall into the trap of FREE warranty and things like that, they do have terms and conditions applied. they can tell you maintenance is free, but the parts ain't free. That's typically how they want people to believe, after all in a way it is a selling point. Neither AM I FIXED into buying the altis, it is just a thought, that's why i put it in such great community to talk about things, as many people have different perspective, in fact i do have some faith in persona as i tested one before, comfort wise it's okay for a person like me, after all i am still young, haha. But one thing, lotus handling isn't much to be boasted about. in fact i am currently driving a wira, and that feels sharper, aside from the motor oil bleeding everywhere once in a while and also drying up quickly, as well as faulty auto transmission(fixed it a million times, no difference) but then again, if proton makes a good car one day, i won't hesitate to support it. in fact, call me slow as i have just only found out the launching of the new car, looks quite promising, thanks for the rich informations, i shall wait and see.

this is brilliant. and of course nobody wants to buy a lemon car. if i walk into a showroom and found faults in the car, i shall not hesitate to walk away.

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Added on March 11, 2012, 9:31 pmdriving performance wise it's no problem. not lemon at all. just want get more worth for the money we pay for. who doesn't want that.

This post has been edited by jonas.hoh: Mar 11 2012, 09:31 PM

totally agree on sc. that's how my beloved avanza kill itself. my dad sent to outside, within months the car started giving problems

what car and what year is it? just curious.

that's why there is a consideration for persona. but of course i would get the manual one. more reliable in a way. and easy to maintain