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"“The service that we are getting does not justify the high maintenance fee of RM500 a month,”

This post has been edited by katijar: Mar 9 2012, 10:45 AM

What is the name of the condo involved ?

usj 1 avenue?

ya...by MCT

Poor thing for those who have nice new cars. Will the water enter the car engine and seats ?

maintenance RM500/month lol??? super condo ka?

i didnt know there is a Sungai Penaga there until now...

DAmn, it sucks

seats sure la, engine - they say never try to start the car ... a bmw will cost rm70k to fix... imagine...

When major flood strike, it's kinda difficult to prevent it. Or does it?
Btw, can the car owner claim insurance??

This one is the maintenance people problem. Should inform the owners to driver away their cars. Caught by surprise.

standard insurance do not cover this ... unless u pay more.

Claim from condo management??

Damn the news report says the owners only realized it the next day when they woke up. Meaning condo management also never ronda ronda the condo at night.

This post has been edited by puchongite: Mar 9 2012, 11:04 AM

You cannot claim anything due to nature disaster from management... Poor thing... Best of luck to those car flooded..

thought usj1 is on quite elevated ground? what about the surrounding condos or landed terraces? were they affected.
if not, then it's probably a flawed design or the pump fail to start.

i pity the car owners...

What a good management the condo provide !!!

are we becoming thailand?

USJ 1 Avenue

Anyone selling units there now?

you meant to become a sex industrial country or u r talking bout flood? lol


nway....pity to the owners...

flooding market..

Only those units with parking at the lower floors.

Btw, I supposed if unit floor No is lower, will get lower floor parking unit ?

Most of the condo carpark have its own insurance, just dunno whether "Act of God" is covered?

Wow .. This kind of incident happened , who will dare to buy ?? Unless your transport is bicycle or you like swimming in the car park!!!

Yeah flood can happen to multilevel buildings but this kind of thing can be avoided if the security people patrol the place properly and are fully alert when it rains.

I believe if you can prove negligence by the management (ie. didn't ronda, pump faulty), you have a case against them to claim damage.

Best check with lawyer or claim insurance agents.

ps. the statement "Park at your own risk" does not imply they do not have any accountability in that case.

Maybe you guys can form a task force comprising those people who have been hit by this flood to see what course of action can be taken.

I'm sure the Residents will be very angry with the Management... who I guess tidak apa when the water came rushing in.

Nasi sudah jadi bubur.

http://thestaronline.tv/View.aspx?vid=8076&cid=1

is the lift submerged in water as well??!!!

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http://thestaronline.tv/View.aspx?vid=8076&cid=1

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I stil remember when i was in the management office to pay maintenance fee,the manager (the rep in this video) was playing with his blackberry phone & chit chatting with his staff.They ignore me & until I stared at them.Poor management team.

Besides, I was wondering y they keep changing security management team.I still remember one of the security team performed very good. They greets when meet residents,frequent patrol nite & day, calling residents when visitor come.But this new security team Sxxxx!!Rarely saw them patrol, impolite to residents sometimes. I was so pity to the car owner for this incident.

Is there a PA system for the building ? Is it common to have PA system for condos ?

Actually this is a very good condo and internally, its look quite nice and facility is good.

Few of my friends said it was a serenity condo, windy and quiet. Also mentioned the management is quite good but can't imagine they made such mistake where they did not patron and inform all owners to remove the cars.

The condo is selling at RM 430-480k for 1346 sq ft. Most units are fully furnished nicely by developer. The setback is the surrounding if low cost flats and ex mining land with low LH years remaining.

Wonder how much is selling after this incident.

go get it while the prices drop to 300k++
Just need to avoid getting a basement carpark from management . 300k+ i sure buy lol

takpe la.. orang kaya maaa.. rm 500 maintainance per month. if flat like pekeliling a bit kesian lo... bila lagi orang kaya mau tolong kedai / bengkel kreta servis... and orang kaya can talk lawyers to sue the management (no harm but its fact)

i dun think they have that much budget for the pa system may be they should broke the breakglass to wake up all the residents

Im staying there,maintenance rn250/mth,1346 sqf.if rm500,think the sqf is double of mine?

Why The guards never ring bell or knock on
The door

Sorry to those whose cars were affected.

Hard to believe this happened considering the whooping RM500 per month maintenance fee.

As someone said earlier, if the residents there can afford that maintenance fee, hopefully it'll be no trouble, financially, for them to solicit lawyers to compensate for the damages.

why gds did not inform residents? this question is on everybody's mind...

possible reasons:

.. nobody expected it even remotely
.. gds never thought that is their job
.. gds on duty have no idea which units = lowest parking lots
.. water rush in within 10 mins, no chance for anyone


sue the mgmt for negligence? this condo still under developer or jmb already?
if jmb, residents will be suing themselves!!

May be he got 2 units or penthouse....if lobby not flooded sure pump faulty.

They must got record list for residential car park which basement carpark is belongs to which unit .
gds should knock those unit door while the water level is not so high yet .

but most of the gds is foreigner ,they will only wait for order from management only they will take action .

Luxury Condo, 2 years ago selling price is abt 250K..nearly buy 1 unit over there but finally purchase some where way else....God Bless me

The management should take responsibility abt this incident....al least give some compensation to the owner

Let say each car compensate 5k, 250 cars, that's 1.25m right ?
The company will go bust lar.

Both

sue mananagement, compensate by management, etc...

can anyone clarify who is "management" in this condo in this context?

where will the money come from? double maint fees?!

there must be a management company for every condo one .
maintenance fees will go to their pocket & they manage the condo

I think not Only the guard problem but the management !!!if this problem can't solve it , who dare to stay there . If you have your own car shop you can choose other car to drive when your car get flooded :-)

last time only happen in KL, now USJ also ... many more condo development and LRT coming to USJ1 ... oh my..

flooding, landslides becoming more frequent - global warming, climatic change, etc.
places with good rain will get more amd more rain; dry areas become dryer, maybe desert.
downpours now coming faster and more intense on smaller spots, can be anywhere.
last couple of years, we see such flooding in various parts of kv, not the same spots - that says something.
low lying areas and places near rivers and large streams now becoming very risky.

in the past, people fearing floods move out of houses to condos. now condos also kena.
the way the weather is changing, it'll be very unwise to live anywhere near steep hillslopes.
more so now than ever. yet the greed still allows some projects to continue.

So Damansara foresta is risky a not?

If foresta flood... whole KL gone~~~

Not flood which is what he is referring to. What about landslide ?

on the bright side, these people's home is unaffected. only their transport.
if landed..... damages is far worse.

That's a good one. There is always a brighter side of things. But don't talk about this in front of those people who got their cars damaged.

If landslide, Damansara Foresta sure gone case dy. Choi ... and maybe related area like Damansara Perdana also half gone ...

Landslide is worsen than flood...

actually, it would be good to hear direct from those affected.

so far, none posted anything in this forum/thread, i think...

what u expect them to say? "#@$#@$#@$#@@!!!" ?

Wrong.

Any maintenance fee goes to JMB/MC fund.
By then JMB/MC appointed a management company to manage and maintain the property.

JMB/MC is appointed by unit owner and chairman/treasurer and committee members must come from unit owner.

Asking compensation or damage fee from JMB/MC, is like asking compensation from your own maintenance fee.

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Added on March 9, 2012, 2:57 pmUnless asking compensation from management company, then different story.
But in this case, it is hard to prove it is negligence in duty.

Flood water can come in quickly, and management company or security has little time to react.
The security may patrol once in one or 2 hours, the flood can come in within ten of minutes.


This post has been edited by cherroy: Mar 9 2012, 02:59 PM

i think the owners should probably go after the developer

Soon after property is handed over to the buyer, JMB is borned afterwards.
And developers hold no responsibility in this kind of stuff, although JMB also consist of developer as one of the committee member.
Developers only liable for the property quality and warranty issue.

just watched this:
http://thestaronline.tv/View.aspx?vid=8076&cid=1

no all residents were @#$%^&, some very calm...

like i thought, mentioned, "i'm just a security guard", "water in 10-15min", "car owners need to to claim own insurance". etc...

take note:
..the stream is right behind the condo
..lifts and telcom equipment area submerged

i saw the video. it looks like a very small stream which is not even qualified to be named... but who knows ...

Apparently this is not the first time building got flooded. 居安不思危, that's human nature.

A highrise condo inundated after heavy rainfall.

Just have to move on.

Immediate steps have to be taken to upgrade the tributary to prevent recurrence of the flood. Or as an alternative, instal Intercom for all the condo units to warn residents of impending floods. See which of the two is more feasible.

My 2 sen.

You mean every time rain , they have to ask all the cars to drive out? Then the guards and owners are always busy and u have to know when all go out in a same time, if everyone will be stuck or not in the car park?how about if the owners are not at home? Sure the price of this property drops like hell.After repairing the cars, all the cars cannot pakai and they would come out a lot of problem from time to time. And slowly all metal will get rusted inside all the pipes and engine and also all will get rusted. This not the only spot, I think I won't buy 2nd car in future as this is not the only flood spot, how about in kl city, thousand and thousand of cars some more happened in Kajang , jalan tun arak for the past few months and also imported cars which is from Australia, Japan (tsunami) and etc. peace of mind!

This post has been edited by SKfolk: Mar 9 2012, 04:54 PM

i think this was 2nd time. It did not flood at the first time, that's y they thought it was OK... ?

I worked in a multilevel building before and this is how they do it. They did not trigger for people to drive out the cars everytime it rains, so I do not know exactly what the criteria they use. You have a choice to leave the car in, but they will close the "gate" until such time when it is considered safe. Presumably the "gate" is able to block the water from flooding the basement.

For those people who want to use the car, they will have to drive the car out, damn leceh, but otherwise their cars might get "locked-in" for the night. They have a PA system to announce to the tenants.

Of course if they could nip the problem at it's bud, so much the better. But apparently this particular building in town couldn't get it fixed at it's root cause. So they are practicing this "leceh" thing for years.

This post has been edited by puchongite: Mar 9 2012, 05:15 PM

it's called a floodgate.

Difficult to fight against mother nature, you can guarantee with the floodgate, the water won't flow from other direction ? It is not wise to stay at the river bank. And if the river get clogged one day(who can guarantee)it will even worse.

this case caught the attention of more people because of it's a "rm500 maint per month" condo.

those condos with basement carparks, near sungais/big longkangs should be taking proactive action, shouldn't they?

now, how many do we think will actually do something?? or more likely do nothing?

Rm500 a month better use the money for the repayment of loan for landed property. We take care our assets our own. If u rely on ppl, don blame ppl,u got to listen to them, what can u do?

My cousin owned a unit for own-stayed before, luckily he sold out last two years with 4xxk, what a good deal.

wow, he really lucky then

apparently the max size of some units are 24xx sq ft... and there are quite many of them... thats why its nearly RM500 maint fee... and u know la... msian when rugi RM400+ they will say RM500... when profit RM500 they will say RM400+...

and this is only about 18 sen maint fee when during VP... now sure now maint fee how much psf...

This post has been edited by dcwhz83: Mar 9 2012, 05:59 PM

haha not so lucky. it rose from 280 psf to 350 psft in two years time. now i dont know.

Ppl see these happens, automatically will direct to management team. I heard from reliable source that the water rose in 10-15 minutes, and its far too short time to inform every single residents to move out their cars. And if you all have never been to the condo, the Sungai Penaga is some small bloody mini river (ive seen with my own eyes) directly next to basement parking. And the height is like few meters to the wall.. Too bad the wall has some decoration holes in it or else it can withstand more volume. Regardless, the management should install a PA system next time.

hehe..sold at 312psf

I wonder how many of these cars are covered by flood insurance.

I think this must be the idea of the architect who always is the head of the construction team. Architect always wants the aesthetic view don want flat wall( no decoration).and the civil engineer just design the structure accordingly.And the engineer is usually design the structure for the building only and not the surrounding infrastructure.

This post has been edited by SKfolk: Mar 9 2012, 06:40 PM

yeah but the flooding must have been caused by some defect in the drainage? basement car parks should not normally flood. unless there is no defect and it was merely clogged, in which case the jmb should be held responsible.

Boss dun mention bout tat. Last time I question bout the possible landslide n I got tembak GAO GAO. Beta keep quiet even thou I stil think foresta is not too safe.

Sunway Senza residence ...RED ALERT

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Added on March 9, 2012, 9:37 pmForesta if go and see now....there is serious soil erosion on the small hill already ...and is begin to fall apart
RISK...yes and definitely there is

Those development besides river definitely a big NO!

Regalia...soon

This post has been edited by Donald Trump: Mar 9 2012, 09:37 PM

What make u think that basement car park will not flood. Won't you remember the flood happened in Dataran Merdeka.all the cars in the basement soaked in the water. That's why the SMART TUNNEL being built after that incident. Water is flowing into the basement and trap in the basement, no way out as river level is higher than basement level or you can say basement is lower than river level.what do u think? I think the only way is to have a pump. A pump is enough or not, let the engineer count on the the amount of water flowing in.

I supposed genuine buyers don't mind getting negative comments because at least after listening to the negative comments, they can make an informed calculated risk of buying the property.

People who dislike negative comments are those with vested interest on the property such as agents and developer. Flippers may not like negative comments too because it makes it harder for them to goreng.

Developers dislike negative comments because they always have conspiracy theory that you are sent by another competitor.

So we all know who we are. That's the only thing which matters.

Agree agree agree !!! Anyone can try also to give some negative comments about Z residence and The Zest, then you will see those claiming welcome negative comments taruh GAO GAO and even start personal attack... These 2 thread are no more neutral but remain Marketing purpose..... those developer/investors trying very hard to talk up the price for TZ to 460-500psft while the transacted price not even that high.....the way they tried to justify their high price by comparing to different condo (even higher end condo) is misleading, while The zest is only medium cost condo and they can tell the quality even up to Mont Kiara condo quality....if you don't belive, wait and see how they balck labelled you as someone or ask you to show proof of your comments....

Look at the Zefer hill total 346 units neighbouring few condo sides, they will say damn congested with only 1 road access, but Z residence with Kiara1 & 2, the exsim future project and Bukit OUG, they will tell you one future link road will ease the probelm....while the total units for Z is 1136....

Maybe all should take a look at Koi Prima thread, even you provide the negative comments, they won't fight back like mad dog ..... those buyers are fully aware of the cons while commit to buying .....

The purpose of forum is for discussion and not for Marketing or personal attack .... come on behave lah ....i believe many of forummers will agree on what i said here ........

Don't just follow what ppl saying, just do own analysis, site inspection and here is personal opinion we don need to flame anyone. Agree or disagree only with their opinion. Everyone has different requirement of their properties.

[quote=accetera,Mar 9 2012, 11:21 AM]USJ 1 Avenue

Anyone selling units there now?


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The condo outlook looks decent and entrance is 'grand' too ..

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Added on March 10, 2012, 2:08 pm[quote=kajika81,Mar 9 2012, 12:33 PM]
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I stil remember when i was in the management office to pay maintenance fee,the manager (the rep in this video) was playing with his blackberry phone & chit chatting with his staff.They ignore me & until I stared at them.Poor management team.

Besides, I was wondering y they keep changing security management team.I still remember one of the security team performed very good. They greets when meet residents,frequent patrol nite & day, calling residents when visitor come.But this new security team Sxxxx!!Rarely saw them patrol, impolite to residents sometimes. I was so pity to the car owner for this incident.

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This kind of condo mgmt should be sacked

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Added on March 10, 2012, 2:16 pm[quote=Tptptu,Mar 10 2012, 12:06 PM]
Agree agree agree !!! Anyone can try also to give some negative comments about Z residence and The Zest, then you will see those claiming welcome negative comments taruh GAO GAO and even start personal attack... These 2 thread are no more neutral but remain Marketing purpose..... those developer/investors trying very hard to talk up the price for TZ to 460-500psft while the transacted price not even that high.....the way they tried to justify their high price by comparing to different condo (even higher end condo) is misleading, while The zest is only medium cost condo and they can tell the quality even up to Mont Kiara condo quality....if you don't belive, wait and see how they balck labelled you as someone or ask you to show proof of your comments....

Look at the Zefer hill total 346 units neighbouring few condo sides, they will say damn congested with only 1 road access, but Z residence with Kiara1 & 2, the exsim future project and Bukit OUG, they will tell you one future link road will ease the probelm....while the total units for Z is 1136....

Maybe all should take a look at Koi Prima thread, even you provide the negative comments, they won't fight back like mad dog ..... those buyers are fully aware of the cons while commit to buying .....

The purpose of forum is for discussion and not for Marketing or personal attack .... come on behave lah ....i believe many of forummers will agree on what i said here ........

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Fully agreed.



This post has been edited by 1282009: Mar 10 2012, 02:16 PM

and i think those whose cars were damaged did sue the owners of dataran merdeka. not sure if they were succesful.

not too sure how these things work, but all basements should have some sort of mechanism to prevent them from getting flooded right? take for example lebuh ampang, which used to be constantly flooded before the smart tunnel. how come the basements of buildings like hsbc and bangkok bank never got flooded?

The management got nothing to lose. If the owners win the case but the management got no money to compensate the owners.

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Added on March 10, 2012, 7:08 pmIf Bangkok bank sited close to river bank. The problem is fence wall of avenue got hole.

This post has been edited by SKfolk: Mar 10 2012, 07:08 PM

oh, then this is not a good place to be then....this will sure happen in future...i suspect this is an ex-mining land, so the floor slowly sunk(obviously less than 1 cm lah for 1 year maybe...)

are you sure the maintenance is rm500 ? even if it is rm200 then it is quite costly...when there's flood, then the pther facilties also will affected indirectly. hhmmm, not good.

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file...528&sec=central

the developer got overnight publicity... dont know if it will affect their other properties namely Place@Cyberjaya, One City@USJ, and the high-end Kingsley Hills...

these 200 cars are pending for selling?.... better ask the owner where they r staying b4 buy...

After the refurbishment of the cars, it looks like new. Who knows those r flooded cars until u use it then u wii regret. All the parts will get rusted gradually. Depends yr luck when u buy 2nd hand car. Not just happened in avenue, but also kl , Kajang and imported from Australia, Thailand and Japan in the past.Seems like everywhere is flood.

Best to buy new car. Second or recond u dun know the past.

u may still get refurbish flooded car from thailand