I know there are so many people who want to have real online income and earn online. Too many people struggling and getting conned by BS training programs. Let me share my true story if that can help you in anyway.

I came to Malaysia 3 years ago after winding up my Technology consulting business in Australia.

The first thing I did was by attending seminars of SUCCESS RESOURCES. I attended many of those seminars and attended many of the courses. I spent considerable amount of money and time. I won't say it's all bullshit but at least I learned few things. I would say 5% of my knowledge came through those courses but mostly were all rubbish. And yes, true, majority of these guys do earn from their followers and training programs online.

If anyone has heard of Even Chia, ok, what I learned from him was about Adsense/Micro niches. Being a very aggressive businessman, the first thing I did, setup 200 micro niches and started buying many adsense websites from flippa in those days. I spent about MYR200K while aggressively buying many adsense based websites. My earning reached something like RM10K per month because I had been buying many existing established websites. I am talking about end 2009 and early 2010.

Hmmm, my experience. Not really cool. Still struggling because I kept spending more and more to buy more and more websites but not all sites can last longer and they can't keep making money unless you spending equally on SEO which cost too. I was new so I kept trying whatever methods I could and pushed my adsense income max to RM15K. That was the peak. The challenge was to maintain this income which was hard because many older sites keep loosing income over time due to lack of SEO work and not every new site was good enough. So I kept struggling. You may think RM15K revenue is cool enough, however please note, I was not alone. I had a team of few staff members working for me. I come for a corporate background and very corporate mindset. I won't work from home or work alone by myself. I would rather rent office space, hire few people and get them busy on my projects. What for I am in business? I am in business not to work so hard and work day and night. I am in business to work as little as possible but earn as much as possible. I know many won't agree so let's not argue on this point

In the meanwhile, I started trying affiliate commissions and I bought many affiliate commission sites. Affiliate commission wasn't cool enough because I got many of my google adwords accounts suspended because google wasn't happy about such sites. I tried many things, I worked on forum marketing, blogs, ads, affiliate, adsense and the max turn over I reached was RM30K. Please note, this is just the turn over, it does not come in my pocket because I don't work alone. I have my team of developers who get all sites ready for me and follow whatever I need them to do. I had admin girl, I had accounts girl who in fact handling my left over Australian business which was feeding the business for sometime.

I had blown up more than RM500K already while trying too many things, however I could say yes, I had online business, I am surviving but it's not something too good either because every day we had challenges, every day trouble, every day getting accounts being suspended on forums, google, affiliate sites. Because of my past technology background and experience, I had many virtual machines, every VM has an IP of different country and I manage many different accounts from many different countries. I did everything I could. The biggest challenge is capital. I had a land in Australia, I sold, I had a lot of my stuff that I sold off. I basically sold off most of my assets. I had a house here in malaysia, I did re-financing to get more money out of it. I had to take loans, cards and everything and at the same time had to keep up with my monthly payments.

Mid year 2010, I met someone who told me about selling on Ebay. In fact I had an ebay account since year 2002 that I used as a buyer mostly. I may have hardly sold 2-3 garage items the max. I had no idea how people make living out of ebay. I spent RM5K and sent 2 of my staff members to go and learn ebay and come back and we try this ebay thing. The trainer was Mr Chan of Netbiz. He is my good friend with his office in Sri Petaling

We sold couple of things on ebay and I could see that we can make some money here. This is where I got myself personally into this area and started exploring it aggressively. I started buying things direct from Chinese factories and started selling them on ebay Australia, ebay malaysia, Ebay USA, however severe competition won't let you earn much. My total business volume was between RM50k-RM60K by that time. I gained enough experience competing on ebay and I started expanding the business aggressively to websites, amazon and too many other channels including lelong, mudah, kijiji, souq.come etc. The most profitable of all is always your own website. And website can't make money unless you spend aggressively on SEO of your website. I had been growing it all aggressively. This year was tough because I had sold off all my assets by that time and with little left over, I had been growing the business. I flew to US and UK just to setup my companies over there and to setup my Amazon accounts under company names in these countries and shipped many of our products to their warehouse. I managed to get my accountants in these countries for yearly accounts, filing and taxation purposes. It becomes more complex when you have legal company setup in different countries and I went this far.

Now, after almost 1.5 years, Ecommece is my only and only business. I have sold most of my affiliate/adsense websites. I have many ecommerce sites. We selling almost MYR300K a month and had a turn over of more than MYR3+ MIL in just 1 year I have more than 20 people in my team sitting in Philippines, Pakistan and Malaysia. However I still have a long way to go and achieve a lot more than this.

So if you say that people don't earn online then this would be wrong or if you say people bullshitting and earning from their followers only then this would be wrong too. I don't have followers. However yes, I am building up because too many people want to learn from me on how did I build up my Ecommerce business and in fact I started giving lectures already in US/Canada and now doing in Australia and few other countries. However remember, earning from training is not the income I consider as online income. It has got nothing to do with the online income that I developed through ecommerce. The only purpose of those training programs is just to build an army for myself where we can create a bigger impact together with that army such as product branding, bulk buying wholesale deal where I know I have an army who can sell it if required. So I can't consider the training programs income to be my online income.

For me, my pure net online monthly income would be anywhere between RM30K - RM35K max at the moment. However remember, IT IS NOT IMPRESSIVE. Because I have burned up RM1 Million of my own capital to reach this stage. So for me this is not impressive what I have achieved. I wasted most of my money in those stupid training programs, adsense, affiliates, trials and too many trials and experiments. After too many trials and experiments I finally reached Ecommerce. So my real investment on ecommerce business wouldn't be more than RM100K but the earlier 900K was wasted in experiments.

I am very positive. Now I have got a great business model and I am expanding it very fast and reaching RM10MIL in annual revenue is not more than 16-18 months away. At least I am on the right track.

Remember, ecommerce may not be right for you or everyone. I know there are people earning tons of cash in adsense but I couldn't achieve that despite my aggressive business attitude. So my point is that not everything can be your cup of cake. At least for me Ecommerce is the future and I am good in it smile.gif

Thanks
Sunny Ali

This post has been edited by sunny2008: Jun 7 2020, 12:40 PM

Wow, I like your motivation. I think this thread should be pinned so others can learn from your experience too.

Would like to have a 1 to 1 conversation with you

Completely with you, adsense is a waste of time and money for anyone that wants to make a living online, its for people that have well established websites that weren't built to make money but for a love of what your blogging about. Ecommerce is so easy to make money from, there is less competition and high profit margins. You dont even need your own products, just check out what your friends are manufacturing or selling and profit share. My most profitable website is a 4 year old PR1 website with less than 250 visitors a day selling bathroom fittings that cost between 0.50rm - 15rm each for the UK market and makes rm6k profit a day, if i stopped selling products for that website and put ads on it, I wouldn't even be able to buy a coffee.

The most valuable skill you can have to make money online is SEO, the better anyone is with SEO the more money they can make.

This post has been edited by gregghawes: Mar 7 2012, 06:21 PM

i am speechless.. i wud love to become like you but it must be backed up by having tonnes of money.. unfortunately, my source of income is innity..

Absolutely correct. Adsense is perfect if you are real genuine blogger who is posting not for the purpose of making money but out of passion and for you it is free money now
For typical marketers who want to use Adsense as an IM tool, it doesn't really work well.

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Added on March 7, 2012, 6:45 pmDear Lisa,

I agree. What I have done is extreme. Not everyone would have luxury to spend or risk a million ringgit to try and experiment something. To be successful you gotta have money + experience + brain + capability with passion & determination.

However what can work for you or many of my friends now? Learn from my experience. This is the best you can do. I have destroyed enough cash in this learning exercise. Those so called Success Resources Internet gurus did not teach me anything that I wanted from them. However I kept spending and kept experimenting and after spending so much money I have come to the conclusion that Ecommerce is indeed the best and worked well for me. So now, you don't have to spend money in any experiment and trials.

Now at least you know someone who has made money out of ecommerce and very soon I am going to post all my training on this forum absolutely free. I'll put step by step guide on how to find profitable keywords, profitable niches, how to do product research on internet, on ebay using terapeak and how to source, and where to sell and how to sell. So it's all free because I am simply passionate about what I do. So if you are capable and able to grasp what I am teaching then you do it yourself with little cash and feel free to ask me questions you have. I am happy to assist

Thanks
Sunny

This post has been edited by sunny2008: Mar 7 2012, 06:45 PM

Seeing the responses, I believe this post should be pinned to help others also.

I want to start doing business online but I don't have any clues until I see your quot. I attended few of the success resources however I have not signed up any of them because their story didn't convince me. And your experience is a good one. Thanks for the sharing May I know where to get more information. I really look forward to attend your training. Thanks again.

This post has been edited by Kellyogr8: Mar 7 2012, 11:57 PM

Very nice post, but there are many questions in my mind. I am coming next week to KL, Can we schedule a meeting please?

Sure dear, anyone can reach me on sunny@extremecommerce.org. I'll be glad to assist. No worries.

Thanks
Sunny

Why only in 2010 you know about eBay? It's been around since 1995...

I had ebay account since 2002. Only had been using it to buy products and occasionally to sell few things. Never used it commercially before for the purpose of business.
Got it suspended within months of selling things aggressively due to many violations which I took very lightly as I never knew ebay is so tough, opened second account, got suspended, 3rd also suspended because someone filed a fake VERO on it. Now operating many in many countries through various IP addresses in virtual machines under different IDs of customers.

You run RDP using window servers? That too will get you caught eventually.

It can't. I have been using them for long enough. We disable the routing table so VM won't go out without VPN of that country. For every account we have different VM with their country specific VPN. We never mix them around to avoid cookie caching and stuff.

Hi Sunny, thanks for the great sharing.
I have a question if you would. You mentioned about having employees in various countries, but what about stocks? Do you ship them from your home country to whichever part of the world it is coming home or do you stockpile them? Hope to hear your input on this. Thanks in advance

Dear, our biggest warehouse is here in Bandar Tasik Selatan where we stock majority of the products. We also stock them in Amazon's warehouse in USA. So we can decide weather we ship the item from KL or we ship using Amazon's shipment if the order has come from US. We also stock in China, however we don't ship to customers from china because shipping from china may not give them a good impression specially when you have your custom built brands. So Chinese warehouse is only for the purpose of long term storage from where usually ship them to Malaysia via sea freight.

I hope this helps
Thanks
Sunny

Your story is really inspiring and motivating...

Since you are talking about ebay, I have a question... I am new to selling at on-line auction. What sells the best on eBay? What doesn't sell? also if I want to start an online business is their any legal obligation involved, like formation of a company or other bylaws.. ?

wow, you are really lucky to have such knowledge. btw, so free to type so much?

I hope you didn't try to outbid another buyer on your product to gain more profit that way.

No way This is called Shill bidding and ebay is smart enough to detect it and suspend the account right away. By the way we don't do any auctions at all. We only do fix price listings

Ok. Guess you just use a few accounts for the items to get better chance of selling.

Well, honestly speaking, Ebay is hardly no more than 15% of our revenue generator. 65% revenue comes from our websites which we rank. However we tend to push our products out through as many channels as possible including various ebay accounts from different countries, Amazon accounts of different countries and then selling on lelong also and many other channels. But at the end, our various websites are much more profitable and better than any other channel.

Hi. May i know when is your next training day? The 1 day course i meant. Tq.

This 31st Mar we having 1 day workshop in Technology Park. You can forward me your email and contact info and one of our team member can give you more info
thanks
Sunny

hi mr.sunny im 19 now and can i know does this ecommerce business require huge capital?i would like to venture business on my own

This post has been edited by nendo_2008: Mar 16 2012, 02:04 AM

When I just want to give up in eBay accidentally found this thread

I'd tried eBay for a year after I graduated until start working in government health sector just for fun and knowledges. From my experiences, I knew eBay is a good choice for income but for me the time is my limitation. Had been going to eBay-er gathering and quite motivating by them. Some of them just quite their job and doing full time eBay and their income reached 5 figures already.

I'm from health stream so I don't have much knowledges for business. Does eCommerce means you sell your goods from your online stores?

From here, I can tell you are really serious about your ebay ecommerce bizness. From the way you explains it, this is no BS stuff. The depths and the details you have is inspiring.

I am running my own webstore as well. Am learning along the way. Your advises here are indeed, very valueable.

Thank you and all the best in your venture.

Thanks for sharing. I enjoyed reading your post.

Dear, we have 1 full day workshop coming up on 31st Mar in APIIT College Auditorium. If you like to join, please feel to email my team on info@extremecommerce.org and they will happily assist you.
Thanks
Sunny

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Added on March 19, 2012, 4:29 pmDear,

Good question. Ecommerce business can start with small capital if you want. Most important thing for you to understand is identifying a niche through research and then buy some little stock direct from china or local KL based wholesale market. See this link to understand on how to identify a niche http://www.extremecommerce.org/topic-1.html

You can allocate a little budget of RM1500 to RM2000 to buy your initial stock and then you need to understand your selling strategies. What I did was big gamble because I wanted to grow things overnight instead of waiting for organic growth which is risky and I won't recommend you to do the way I did. You can always grow the business organically and slowly with lower risk

Thanks
Sunny

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Added on March 19, 2012, 4:30 pmThank you for great comments dear, I appreciate
Regards,
Sunny

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Added on March 19, 2012, 4:30 pmThanks

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Added on March 21, 2012, 7:21 pmSomeone just asked me he interested in selling clothing stuff and would like me to help on how to find the suppliers.

I am posting my reply here because I have got similar questions before so I believe it is a good idea if I can post it here if it can help others also.

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Hi dear,

Honestly speaking, I wouldn't go for clothing niche if I am you. Unless you identify a micro niche withing clothing. For example something like clothing of a particular material or maternity clothing etc. If I am not mistaken maternity clothing also is a major niche, too many suppliers, too many products, so I might go more micro niche in it for example, maternity clothing for chinese only or maternity clothing made of soft cotton or made of certain thing. I don't know but that's how we locate a micro niche, we don't go into major niches because I operate many ecommerce sites and this is the best way to make good money when you identify micro niches instead of going into main stream niches.

In terms of suppliers, don't worry. Too many suppliers from china. You can see alibaba and tons of suppliers are there already. The main thing you have to learn is how to sell and where to sell and how to expand and where to expand. As long as you understand and learn the art of selling and expansion you will make a lot of money.

It's always easy to source the product but selling is the art that you must have a command on. I hope this helps.

Please do let me know if you need any further help.

Thanks
Sunny

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Added on April 18, 2012, 1:36 pmThis 28th Apr (Saturday) we have 1 day workshop on Extreme Commerce happening in UCTI college Bukit Jalil.

Thanks
Sunny

This post has been edited by sunny2008: Apr 18 2012, 01:36 PM

Is the workshop free?

Apology to disappoint you dear, it is not free unfortunately
It is RM490 but advance bookings are all RM290 and if you would like to join, you can please contact our team at info@extremecommerce.org

Thank you again
Sunny

well, many are paying alot for ecommerce training as well, seems like it's more of our own will and ideas that get it up n working.

Agreed. Your own will + your own idea. However together with Right knowledge + Right Expertise + Right guideline makes it all very successful

mid of 2010 you started ebay and today was like only 2years time within, and you achieve this level. wow? you must be working 24hours-ly nonstop, coz no one can achieve million of revenue spreading worldwide business in within 2years time..cause it acquire packs of action and passion. Dear sunny ali, one question, do you have a family?

This post has been edited by alwjmonster: Apr 25 2012, 04:49 AM

My dear, I reach my office 2pm daily and leave at 6pm. I have a big team sitting in Malaysia, Philippines and India and my managers run the whole business and report direct to me.

If I have to run everything myself then this would be all impossible to manage

My whole idea was to effectively utilize globalization while making money out of rich countries. And here is he key to learn on how to effectively structure your organization and how to utilize cheaper worldwide resources. All my staff is on full time payroll + some contractors

Sunny

From above you only manage to earn 30~35k income, with capital of a million invested, reward to invested capital ratio that can considerably bad business, 1million divided by 32.5k income (average) = 30months to earn back your invested capital, note that you're already wasted 1.5years time for experiment.. so this would be a total of 4years time to get back your 1million initially, yet only to start positive figure, no good. so now you're still in deficit side, good luck in longer term.

This post has been edited by alwjmonster: Apr 25 2012, 02:54 PM

Yes absolutely bad and very disappointing
I mentioned already how bad it is and I am upset too.
Specially rm600-700k being burned in all experiments and trying to get various things up and running before I finally realized that ecommerce is best

Ahh I wish I would have started ecommerce from day 1 and that is the reason for sharing my experience with everyone that you don't waste money in trying different things but stick to one channel.

Also I am putting more and more capital to grow this business to much bigger scale so yes recovery at my scale is far. That is the reason I recommend everyone to focus, start small and learn from my experience

Your observation is indeed thorough. I like it, you know numbers well enough

Sunny

loved your post bro... very motivated right now!

good to know

Hi sunny,

I wonder how you normally source for supplier. Any guide? I knoe can find from alibaba for that matter but how to verify them, negotiate and deal with them? Do you fly to meet personally or deal over the phone or email?

I cant read chinese and dn have much capital to stock goods. I think this is a major problem for me.

great to have some one have the real experience would like to share, i would appreciate if you can share your e-commerce site for my personal view, pls pm me if your site if you don't mind to share
Thanks

You really have guts to burn hundreds k just to experiment. Wow. I would just dump it in ASB or any UT and enjoy the return. Anyway what do you think about apparel online business. Been thinking to create my own indie label, print tee, setup online shop and sell tee. Is ebay is good medium to market my label?

What would be the price range for you indie clothing?
Price/quality, which one you more focus onto?
If your target market is Malaysia, Ebay is not a really good medium as eBay in Malaysia is not so popular.

Sorry for replying you 7 years later
Focus on price. Not quality if you want to be in top 10 of any marketplcae. If people selling junk, you also need to sell junk because top 10 spots dictates what people want to buy.

I know this post I made 7 years ago and things changed so much in past 7 years including my journey. If anyone still want to follow me, you may want to follow me on facebook page EXTREME COMMERCE

Thanks
Sunny

I already read your story. I'm so speechless. By the way whats your company name sir?

My company name is Extreme Commerce. This post I wrote 8 years ago when I used to sell RM3 Mil per year. Now I sell RM 48 Mil per year. But I have gone through painful journey in past 10 years since I started this online business. 2 Bankruptcies in the middle. You can find me on my FB fan page "Extreme Commerce" or my group on FB named "Extreme Commerce by Sunny Ali"

Good luck